Making all the elemental combos, plus the spares

[ninja surprise]

What do you consider the "natural" pairing for armors that don't have a direct match? 

 

I'm making one of each elemental pair, and getting into ones I haven't rolled before. So far I have:

• Electric Armor / Electrical Melee
• Ice Armor / Ice Melee
• Fiery Aura  / Fiery Melee
• Dark Armor / Dark Melee

and I just made a

• Stone Armor / Stone Melee

(I can't stand Radiation Melee so I'm skipping Rad/Rad)

 

That leaves 5 more armors:

• Bio Armor
• Invulnerability
• Shield Defense
• Super Reflexes
• Willpower

And a baker's dozen attack sets:

• Battle Axe
• Claws
• Broad Sword
• Dual Blades
• Electric Melee
• Energy Melee
• Katana
• Kinetic Melee
• Martial Arts
• Psionic Melee
• Savage Melee
• Spines
• Street Justice
• Staff Fighting

• Super Strength

• Titan Weapons

• War Mace

 

What do you consider the "natural" or most thematic pairing for each armor? (Not looking for the overpowered min/max pairing, thematic only)

I'm leaning towards:

• Bio Armor / Spines or / Savage
• Invulnerability / Super Strength or / Energy Melee
• Shield Defense / Martial Arts or / Street Justice, or the medieval one-handed weapons: Mace, Broad Sword, etc.
• Super Reflexes / Any of the fast two-handed weapons (Claws, Dual Blades, Katana, Staff), or open-hand attacks. But never Titan Weapons; SR is all about momentum.
• Willpower / Anything, maybe pair Titan here? Don't want sets with knockback because that defeats the mob-based regen.

 

What do you consider the thematic natural pairing for the last 5 armors?

Edited May 30 by ninja surprise
my copy/paste was weak and missed some attacks :(

[Vedic70]

For a more unusual but thematic combo I have a Praetorian Shield Defense/Psionic Melee (with Fighting power pool). Praetoria has a lot of psionic mobs (eg the Syndicate) so that implies that psionic powers can also come from training. I wouldn't consider it thematic with a Primal character but I think it fits a highly trained Praetorian concept. 

 

I have a Bio Armor/Spines as well whose concept is a person who was experimented and genetically modified for the theme so that fits with yours. 

 

I'm pretty much the same for all of your pairings but I'd also pair Titan Weapons with Invulnerability (same type of theme as Super Strength) and, for a specific concept, Ice Armor with Titan Weapons as well (Frost Giant type concept). Earth and Fire would pair with that as well for a giant type character concept. 

[Wavicle]

I was working on a chart for a while, though I'm not sure I ever completed it:

 

 

[Warshades]

4 hours ago, ninja surprise said:

What do you consider the "natural" or most thematic pairing for each armor?

 

This is a very subjective question.

• Bio/savage or bio/spine are both thematic imo. I personally would take savage just because the frenzy stacks provide additional recharge which benefits bio armor.
• Invuln/ss is the classic super man combo theme, however you could go with invuln/street justice for a similar theme while avoiding rage crash. Invuln with weapons would also work (you could be really strong and able to swing giant "Titan" weapons around to attack with). 
• SR/claw, SR/katana, and SR/MA would be my go to thematic pairings. You could also pair it with /savage or /staff for theme as well.
• I personally don't find shield/MA to be thematic (MA to me is all about hand-to-hand combat which seems weird to use while holding a shield, though it is a powerful combination). Besides the one handed weapons as you suggested, you could consider shield paired with energy/kinetic melee also (think something like Black Panther where the shield absorbs kinetic energy and then you're able to use it to attack enemies with). 
• I could see themes for WP paired with a lot of stuff including claws, psionic, katana, DB, TW, MA, spines, etc. 

[ninja surprise]

15 hours ago, Warshades said:

 

This is a very subjective question.

• Bio/savage or bio/spine are both thematic imo. I personally would take savage just because the frenzy stacks provide additional recharge which benefits bio armor.
• Invuln/ss is the classic super man combo theme, however you could go with invuln/street justice for a similar theme while avoiding rage crash. Invuln with weapons would also work (you could be really strong and able to swing giant "Titan" weapons around to attack with). 
• SR/claw, SR/katana, and SR/MA would be my go to thematic pairings. You could also pair it with /savage or /staff for theme as well.
• I personally don't find shield/MA to be thematic (MA to me is all about hand-to-hand combat which seems weird to use while holding a shield, though it is a powerful combination). Besides the one handed weapons as you suggested, you could consider shield paired with energy/kinetic melee also (think something like Black Panther where the shield absorbs kinetic energy and then you're able to use it to attack enemies with). 
• I could see themes for WP paired with a lot of stuff including claws, psionic, katana, DB, TW, MA, spines, etc. 

 

All good points, thanks!

 

15 hours ago, Vedic70 said:

For a more unusual but thematic combo I have a Praetorian Shield Defense/Psionic Melee (with Fighting power pool). Praetoria has a lot of psionic mobs (eg the Syndicate) so that implies that psionic powers can also come from training. I wouldn't consider it thematic with a Primal character but I think it fits a highly trained Praetorian concept. 

 

I have a Bio Armor/Spines as well whose concept is a person who was experimented and genetically modified for the theme so that fits with yours. 

 

I'm pretty much the same for all of your pairings but I'd also pair Titan Weapons with Invulnerability (same type of theme as Super Strength) and, for a specific concept, Ice Armor with Titan Weapons as well (Frost Giant type concept). Earth and Fire would pair with that as well for a giant type character concept. 

 

Good points - and I'd forgotten about most of the Shield skins, it can look like stone, energy, psi, darkness, etc, for all sorts of concept pairings.

 

[ninja surprise]

20 hours ago, Wavicle said:

I was working on a chart for a while, though I'm not sure I ever completed it:

 

 

 

This is a cool chart to map across ATs.

[BurnTheWitch]

What do I consider the natural pairing, great question with some great possibilities for introspect. Here are my thought although they are complete opinions and therefor mean nothing to anyone but myself.  I agree with you for the most part, our logics might be different, but we ended up with similar answers.

Bio Armor = Savage Melee

• Bio.  Natural evolution or strange experiments, either way it feels like something that is a literal freak of nature. I can see 100% a case for the logic of spines, but Spines feels niche to me on so many levels and savage just feels more open ended.

Invulnerability = Super Strength

• This evokes so many heroes in popular media that it's uncanny.  Superman, Hulk, and Juggernaut come to mind almost instantly as characters in media who would be Invulnerability/ Super Strength.

Shield Defense = Broadsword, Mace, or Axe

• Shield isn't actually that common in popular media, it's just that one guy with the rank of captain is a major Marvel Hero.  There aren't a ton of other superheroes that aren't related to Cap that use a shield.  Wonder woman has one sometimes, I think.  Black Knight might have used a shield at some point.  For me, shield means medieval (or older) warrior.  Think Vikings, Romans and Jaguar Warriors.  Those guys use shields, and your hero was blessed by one of their gods with immortality.  Time to become a hero.

Super Reflexes = Dual Blades

• Dual blades looks fast, super reflexes is fast.  let's pair it with super speed and make it a speedster that literally wins by wearing their opponents out. I can see a strong rational for Martial Arts or even street Justice, but I'm using street justice next and Dual Blades just looks so fast.

Will Power = Street Justice

• Street Justice is untrained brawling, willpower isn't a superpower, it's just the lack of quit.  Those two just feel like the guy who decided to go out one day and fight crime.  The titular One Punch Man started as WP/SJ and ended as SS/Inv, but he would have been a more interesting character from a traditional comic story at the beginning.

Just my 2 inf