Pets & Endurance

[Scarlet Shocker]

I just jumped on a toon I'd not played in a long time (lvl 48 Plant/Dark troller) and I noticed that its end consumption is through the roof

 

It's not well slotted or close to optimised - that's something I don't normally do until lvl 50 for obvious reasons.

 

But even after detoggling many of my regular powers I notice it's still high but fortunately I'm able to let Seymour and Fluffy do a lot of the heavy lifting.

 

I checked my build and notice both of those take End Redux enhancers and that made me wonder why? What happens if you don't slot a pet with End Redux?

 

It seems to me there are maybe 2 or 3 outcomes:

• Pet runs out of End and stops functioning other than a prestige pet that follows around (except it can get hit)
• Pet runs out of end and then starts to draw on PC's end to function
• Pets automatically consume PCs end and End Redux mitigates
• Something entirely different I haven't figured out yet (if so, what?)

(yes I realise 2 & 3 are very similar but I think there is a subtle difference)

 

I'd never really considered this previously. I don't usually slot pets for anything other than their core strengths (Acc, Damage, Holds etc) but then I've never had 2 running together. I don't usually have Endurance issues this late in the game - but that said this character has languished for as long as I recall.

 

 

[The Trouble]

Just a disclaimer: I'm not a Mastermind expert.  I didn't used to like them.  Then I started slotting endurance reducers in the pets.  Here's my guess at what's happening:

 

Pets don't actively consume your stamina, but your attacks are very costly.  You have to fill in the gaps with expensive powers when your pets' DPS slows.  Their DPS has slowed because they are low on endurance.  Then they eat up their blue bar firing off their low-tier attacks, and don't fire off their heavy-hitters nearly as much.

 

Slotting the pets with endredux will help because they'll be able to cycle more (and better) attacks, freeing you from taxing your own stamina bar so much.

[Scarlet Shocker]

That's interesting and worth thinking about.

 

Thanks

 

[MTeague]

I have to admit, I've never deliberately slotted a pet for end redux. Just gone with the Henchment IO sets or the Recharge Intensive Pets IO sets. And if End Reduction happened to be part of them, then they got exactly that much.

 

I don't rememeber fly trap standing around doing nothing, my Plant is a Dom, so I has my entire secondary tree for direct damage. For me, the pet offtanking is what I'm really looking for.

[Psyonico]

All pets have their own endurance bar that they use, they cannot tap into your endurance.

 

For MMs, end redux affects both the cost for you to cast the pet power as well as the cost of the pet's attacks.

 

I personally have never found Control set pets require end redux in their attacks, so I don't know what end redux does for them.

[Uun]

The major endurance cost for controller pets is the summon (26 end). I generally slot controllers pets with 4-6 Expedient Reinforcement, which offers a decent amount of endred (affects both the summon and the pet's attacks). I usually slot Dark Servant with 4 Cloud Senses plus 2 Touch of the Nictus.

 

You shouldn't have any endurance issues with a /Dark controller if you use Soul Absorption every time it's up. It provides a massive recovery/regen  buff that lasts 45s and increases per target hit (alive or dead).

[Scarlet Shocker]

30 minutes ago, Uun said:

The major endurance cost for controller pets is the summon (26 end). I generally slot controllers pets with 4-6 Expedient Reinforcement, which offers a decent amount of endred (affects both the summon and the pet's attacks). I usually slot Dark Servant with 4 Cloud Senses plus 2 Touch of the Nictus.

 

You shouldn't have any endurance issues with a /Dark controller if you use Soul Absorption every time it's up. It provides a massive recovery/regen  buff that lasts 45s and increases per target hit (alive or dead).

 

Ok just to clarify that I understood what you say here...

 

Summoning pets costs endurance and slotting the pet with Endredux is what mitigates that?

 

Fluffy has a short lifespan, so is that a factor there?

[Uun]

30 minutes ago, Scarlet Shocker said:

Summoning pets costs endurance and slotting the pet with Endredux is what mitigates that?

Yes. 

 

30 minutes ago, Scarlet Shocker said:

Fluffy has a short lifespan, so is that a factor there?

Could be if you're summoning it in combat. If you summon out of combat it's usually not an issue.