Triumphant Posted Saturday at 10:08 AM Posted Saturday at 10:08 AM On 11/19/2025 at 5:47 AM, Scarlet Shocker said: Synapse has never been the best TF around and in an age where entitlement brings a requirement for instant gratification it's more symptom than cause. People don't want to do the work to get the rewards and there's the fundamental issue. 90 minutes. That's all it's realistically gonna take to get that badge. When people are willing to play for two or three hours in a session that's peanuts. Do it when it's the WST and you can get about 6 in a week if you really need to. If you're a badge completist that's a very small price to pay. If you're not into badges or this particular TF, then don't do it, problem solved. There is an attitude that's quite prevalent in this game: Give me all the things but don't make me work for them. It comes from a small, lazy but very vocal segement of the community and it annoys the hell out of me. TL;DR - We have our game against all the odds and a little bit of effort to get something you want should never be a cause for complaint. Eh, sometimes- yes. But in some cases, the TF is just boring, so you don't want to spend 30 minutes (much less 90), doing it. If the game play isn't fun, what's the point? MSR is my pet peeve, in this regard, but Synapse is pretty close behind. Of course, the easy way to get around that kind of tedium for the purpose of getting your passive accolades, is to use Null the Gull. If the OP doesn't want to do that, I think they're just gonna have to suck it up (not that I disagree that synapse could use some tweaking to make it less tedious, mind you). 🤷♂️
Scarlet Shocker Posted Saturday at 10:17 AM Posted Saturday at 10:17 AM 6 minutes ago, Triumphant said: Eh, sometimes- yes. But in some cases, the TF is just boring, so you don't want to spend 30 minutes (much less 90), doing it. If the game play isn't fun, what's the point? MSR is my pet peeve, in this regard, but Synapse is pretty close behind. Of course, the easy way to get around that kind of tedium for the purpose of getting your passive accolades, is to use Null the Gull. If the OP doesn't want to do that, I think they're just gonna have to suck it up (not that I disagree that synapse could use some tweaking to make it less tedious, mind you). 🤷♂️ That's your opinion. Sure, you and some might not like it - MSR is usually very well supported and Synapse gets run regularly, so that's a "you" problem not a game problem. My wider point is that there is content that gives a reward. If you don't want to do the content, don't expect to get the reward. If you aren't prepared to put any time and effort in, why should you get the benefits that such time and effort gives anyone else who does play it? 1 I learned early on that chemistry is just like cooking. From there I worked out that a mixture of Barium, Carbon and Nitrogen between two slices of bread gives you a delicious BaCoN sandwich
Triumphant Posted Saturday at 11:26 AM Posted Saturday at 11:26 AM 1 hour ago, Scarlet Shocker said: That's your opinion. Sure, you and some might not like it - MSR is usually very well supported and Synapse gets run regularly, so that's a "you" problem not a game problem. My wider point is that there is content that gives a reward. If you don't want to do the content, don't expect to get the reward. If you aren't prepared to put any time and effort in, why should you get the benefits that such time and effort gives anyone else who does play it? Yep. It's just my opinion. I never claimed it was objective fact. If it came off that way, it wasn't my intention. As to MSR: You're right. It's very popular. Many people seem to enjoy it. I don't view MSR as a problem (even though I personally find it very boring and don't enjoy it) and never suggested that it was a problem (other than the problem specific only to me- well, and anyone that feels the same way I do, I guess- which is that it bores me. I avoid that problem by simply not joining MSR's, though. So... yeah, I guess it's not even actually a problem for me, any more).. As to your wider point, I agree. If you don't don't like certain content, why waste your time doing it for the reward? I do think it's worth the reward, if you use the shortcuts, like alignment switching and so forth. But if you don't want to do that, you can simply to choose not to chase the reward and move on with your life. 1
dtjunkie Posted Saturday at 02:56 PM Author Posted Saturday at 02:56 PM On 11/19/2025 at 6:47 AM, Scarlet Shocker said: There is an attitude that's quite prevalent in this game: Give me all the things but don't make me work for them. It comes from a small, lazy but very vocal segement of the community and it annoys the hell out of me. TL;DR - We have our game against all the odds and a little bit of effort to get something you want should never be a cause for complaint. There were many things in the original game that existed simply to make things take longer (e.g., having to switch train stations). Removing that stuff makes the game more fun. I can't imagine anyone would advocate to return to the days of switching trains in steel canyon. The first four Kill All Clockwork missions in Synapse, are to me, a clear example of "Let's make things take longer" rather than "let's make a fun engaging Task Force".
Scarlet Shocker Posted Saturday at 05:11 PM Posted Saturday at 05:11 PM 2 hours ago, dtjunkie said: There were many things in the original game that existed simply to make things take longer (e.g., having to switch train stations). Removing that stuff makes the game more fun. I can't imagine anyone would advocate to return to the days of switching trains in steel canyon. The first four Kill All Clockwork missions in Synapse, are to me, a clear example of "Let's make things take longer" rather than "let's make a fun engaging Task Force". That's a different argument. If you're advocating to make Synapse shorter, it should be a suggestion in the correct forum. That's not what you said in your original post. I am not against changes to Synapse in a limited fashion (pruning a couple of missions and editing text accordingly would be a good option IMO) but your entire original post implied that either you wouldn't, or couldn't run Synapse and thus missed the reward. The reward is what it is as the game currently stands. It's not breaking stuff to take time to get the achievement. Also, for the record, I quite enjoyed the way the OG devs took time out of the game in such creative ways. The two lines was a good option especially at mid-level content. No fly until 14, having to make sure you stayed close to your mentor when sidekicked, especially when doing silly stuff like running to Serge in Steel Canyon, having to actually do a mission to earn your cape and aura. I didn't hate any of that. None of those are game breaking and I think that some of the new dev spoonfeeding has a negative impact on the game as is, but I recognise I'm in a minority so I don't shout about it. I learned early on that chemistry is just like cooking. From there I worked out that a mixture of Barium, Carbon and Nitrogen between two slices of bread gives you a delicious BaCoN sandwich
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