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molten_dragon

molten_dragon

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I recently rediscovered the game and set out to recreate one of my favorite characters from live.  He was originally a Fire/SR scrapper since it was one of the few scrapper builds that could solo AVs at the time.  In recreating him, I decided to go fire/shield to take advantage of the changes in the game since I originally built him.  My goal was the same as he had previously, perma-hasten and softcapped to all 3 positions.  I figured out a way to do it, but it's pretty rough.  I used 5 recharge IOs in hasten to get the recharge time down, and I'm having to run weave to get to the softcap.  I'm guessing I'll have pretty major END problems, and I haven't run the numbers yet to see if cycling Conserve Power will leave me sustainable or not.

 

Looking for any advice/improvements you all can offer.

 

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Napalm Firestorm: Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword

  • (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
  • (3) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
  • (3) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
  • (5) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
  • (5) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (43) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)

Level 1: Deflection

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  • (25) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
  • (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (37) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 2: Cremate

  • (A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage
  • (7) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (7) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (9) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (9) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus

Level 4: Battle Agility

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  • (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
  • (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (37) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 6: True Grit

  • (A) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance
  • (25) Numina's Convalesence - Endurance/Recharge
  • (31) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
  • (39) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
  • (39) Numina's Convalesence - Heal
  • (40) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 8: Breath of Fire

  • (A) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
  • (11) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (11) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
  • (13) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (13) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown

Level 10: Active Defense

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 12: Combat Jumping

  • (A) Defense Buff IO
  • (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  • (50) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)

Level 14: Hasten

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (23) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (23) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (34) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (46) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 16: Against All Odds

  • (A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 18: Fire Sword Circle

  • (A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
  • (19) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (19) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (21) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
  • (21) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage

Level 20: Phalanx Fighting

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 22: Kick

  • (A) Accuracy IO

Level 24: Tough

  • (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
  • (34) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 26: Incinerate

  • (A) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage
  • (27) Superior Critical Strikes - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (27) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (29) Superior Critical Strikes - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (29) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (36) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc

Level 28: Maneuvers

  • (A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 30: Weave

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  • (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
  • (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (40) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 32: Greater Fire Sword

  • (A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
  • (33) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (33) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (33) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
  • (34) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 35: Shield Charge

  • (A) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage
  • (36) Superior Avalanche - Damage/Endurance
  • (40) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (42) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (43) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (43) Superior Avalanche - Recharge/Chance for Knockdown

Level 38: Conserve Power

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 41: Physical Perfection

  • (A) Endurance Modification IO
  • (42) Endurance Modification IO
  • (42) Endurance Modification IO

Level 44: Laser Beam Eyes

  • (A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
  • (45) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (45) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (45) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
  • (46) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 47: Energy Torrent

  • (A) Kinetic Crash - Damage/Knockback
  • (48) Kinetic Crash - Accuracy/Knockback
  • (48) Kinetic Crash - Recharge/Knockback
  • (48) Kinetic Crash - Recharge/Endurance
  • (50) Kinetic Crash - Damage/Endurance/Knockback
  • (50) Kinetic Crash - Accuracy/Damage/Knockback

Level 49: Super Jump

  • (A) Jumping IO

Level 1: Brawl

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Critical Hit 


Level 1: Prestige Power Dash
Zumberge

Zumberge

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I gave it a whack and the best I can offer is an alternate build.  First, the bad news: You're not going to have perma-Hasten.

 

Second, me trying to soften the blow of the bad news: Greater Fire Sword recharges in five seconds and has a critical hit bonus.  Plus Shield Defense doesn't really benefit from recharge all that much since One with the Shield isn't affected by recharge.  Granted, you also have Shield Charge which is, but if you were that dead-set on spamming teleport smashes you'd be playing an Elec/Shield.

 

Now the good news: You have softcapped positional defenses.  I was nearly hamstrung until I looked into it and found that while Phalanx Fighting gives you a defense bonus for nearby teammates, it also gives you an unenhanceable bonus just by having it active, which is enough to push you over the cap.  The build should be, if not perfect, then at least functional if you exemplar down, and everything is more or less in a usable state; nothing is a stat stick.  Plus there's no purples and only one PvP IO.

 

Finally, neutral news: Grant Cover is in there and it gives people about 13% defense.  Many people do try to softcap defense, but in the instances where they can't make it or focus on other things, well, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, right?

 

 

Hero Plan by Hero Hero Designer 2.23
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Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
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Level 1:    Scorch    
 (A) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage
 (7) Superior Critical Strikes - Damage/RechargeTime
 (13) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
 (13) Superior Critical Strikes - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
 (15) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
 (40) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc


Level 1:    Deflection    
 (A) Serendipity - Defense
 (3) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance
 (5) Serendipity - Defense/Recharge
 (5) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
 (7) Serendipity - Endurance


Level 2:    Fire Sword    
 (A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
 (17) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
 (19) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
 (19) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
 (21) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
 (42) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)


Level 4:    Super Jump    
 (A) Jumping IO


Level 6:    Cremate    
 (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
 (21) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
 (23) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
 (23) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
 (25) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
 (43) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)


Level 8:    Battle Agility    
 (A) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance
 (9) Serendipity - Defense/Recharge
 (9) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
 (11) Serendipity - Defense
 (11) Serendipity - Endurance


Level 10:    Active Defense    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 12:    Breath of Fire    
 (A) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage
 (25) Annihilation - Damage/RechargeTime
 (27) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
 (27) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
 (31) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
 (42) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff


Level 14:    Build Up    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO
 (15) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 16:    Against All Odds    
 (A) Endurance Reduction IO
 (17) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 18:    Fire Sword Circle    
 (A) Obliteration - Damage
 (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
 (33) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
 (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
 (42) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage


Level 20:    True Grit    
 (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%


Level 22:    Kick    
 (A) Empty


Level 24:    Tough    
 (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)


Level 26:    Incinerate    
 (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
 (34) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
 (34) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
 (36) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
 (36) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
 (43) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)


Level 28:    Weave    
 (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
 (29) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
 (29) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
 (31) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
 (31) Red Fortune - Defense
 (43) Red Fortune - Endurance


Level 30:    Phalanx Fighting    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed


Level 32:    Greater Fire Sword    
 (A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus
 (36) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage
 (37) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (37) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
 (37) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge


Level 35:    Shield Charge    
 (A) Obliteration - Damage
 (39) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
 (39) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
 (39) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (40) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
 (40) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage


Level 38:    One with the Shield    
 (A) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP


Level 41:    Conserve Power    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO
 (46) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 44:    Laser Beam Eyes    
 (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
 (45) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
 (45) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
 (45) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (46) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
 (46) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge


Level 47:    Grant Cover    
 (A) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance
 (48) Serendipity - Defense
 (48) Serendipity - Endurance
 (48) Serendipity - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
 (50) Serendipity - Defense/Recharge


Level 49:    Hasten    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO
 (50) Recharge Reduction IO
 (50) Recharge Reduction IO


Level 1:    Brawl    
 (A) Empty


Level 1:    Critical Hit    
Level 1:    Prestige Power Dash    
 (A) Empty


Level 1:    Prestige Power Slide    
 (A) Empty


Level 1:    Prestige Power Quick    
 (A) Empty


Level 1:    Prestige Power Rush    
 (A) Empty


Level 1:    Prestige Power Surge    
 (A) Empty


Level 1:    Sprint    
 (A) Empty


Level 2:    Rest    
 (A) Empty


Level 4:    Ninja Run    
Level 2:    Swift    
 (A) Empty


Level 2:    Health    
 (A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance


Level 2:    Hurdle    
 (A) Empty


Level 2:    Stamina    
 (A) Endurance Modification IO
 (3) Endurance Modification IO


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Scrapper Fire-Shield for boards.mxd

As a Scrapper main I eat a steady diet of crayons and glue to keep my wits sharp and my reflexes honed.

molten_dragon

molten_dragon

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Hmm, definitely a lot cheaper build than the one that I put together, and fits in more powers from shield.  But it gives up a lot of recharge to get there.  Hasten is down for about 25 seconds at a time.  And without physical perfection it looks like it might have even more end problems than the build I posted.

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Here's my fire/shield build. It can run the single target attack chain indefinitely. Hasten has 9 second downtime, but that's not a big deal. I also took Mu for more AOE. You will burn through endurance AOE, but you can always use that serum temp power.

  

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molten_dragon

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1 hour ago, Dismiss said:

Here's my fire/shield build. It can run the single target attack chain indefinitely. Hasten has 9 second downtime, but that's not a big deal. I also took Mu for more AOE. You will burn through endurance AOE, but you can always use that serum temp power.

What's your ST attack chain?  GFS > Incinerate > Cremate?  Does that still work even when hasten is down?

 

Kind of surprised that's sustainable END-wise, I remember that attack chain being a real END hog, but if it is kudos.

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3 minutes ago, molten_dragon said:

What's your ST attack chain?  GFS > Incinerate > Cremate?  Does that still work even when hasten is down?

 

Kind of surprised that's sustainable END-wise, I remember that attack chain being a real END hog, but if it is kudos.

Yes. It has a short gap (.686 seconds) while hasten is down, but 9 seconds of downtime isn't a big deal there.

 

Fire is not very intense on end.

 

The build has 3.72 end per use from Incinerate, 5.38 from Cremate, and 8.01 from GFS. That's a total of 17.11 end over a cast time of 6.072 seconds with Aracanatime factored in.

 

So, ~2.82 end/sec from the attack chain. The build uses 1.19/sec in toggles giving you a total drain of 4.01end/sec. Panacea and Performance shifter procs are worth .6875 end/sec with Atlas Medallion and Portal Jockey (I usually count these because they are so easy to get - although in this case I think you may be okay without them too) giving the build a total recovery of 4.09 end/sec. Should be good to go. The end discount bonuses on some of the new sets (in this build 5 piece Reactive Defenses) should not be overlooked.

 

Sure, you can solve the end problem with ageless destiny, but I had enough recharge and this lets me take Rebirth Radial for healing and regen which is something shield lacks.

 

 

Werner

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I think my old Fire/Shield was soft-capped with a few seconds from perma Hasten. But the build I have in Mids is clearly outdated and not worth posting - it has Enzymes in some defensive powers. It was also halfway a concept build - all fire sword attacks in melee, and so I was always spamming an AoE whether I needed it or not. And I think using only fire swords was the main reason I needed perma Hasten. OK, not very helpful information. I guess I'm just chatty this evening. <waves hello>

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