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8 hours ago, Auroxis said:
For fury, it'll be:
0%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%
For enhancement+damage buffs, it'll be:
0%,100%, 200%, 300%, 400%, 450%, 500%, 600%
Calculation will be:
(0.95*(1+enh))/(0.75*(1+enh+fury)). We will be assuming a 550% Tanker cap and 775% Brute cap.
0% 25% 50% 75% 100% 0% 1.27 0.84 0.63 0.5 0.42 100% 1.27 1.01 0.84 0.72 0.63 200% 1.27 1.09 0.95 0.84 0.76 300% 1.27 1.13 1.01 0.92 0.84 400% 1.27 1.15 1.06 0.97 0.9 450% 1.27 1.17 1.07 1 0.93 500% 1.16 1.07 1 0.93 0.9 600% 0.99 0.93 0.9 0.9 0.9 As you can see, there are quite a few cases where the tanker matches or exceeds the brute's damage while retaining all other advantages. This is why I'm in favor of lowering the cap to 500% (aka +400%) in order to reduce the number of scenarios where this occurs.
2 hours ago, Mr.Sinister said:In a full team how much time does a brute actually spend over 50% fury? Considering different team makeups. 1 tank on the team. 1 tank 1 brute. 2 tanks. A full incarnate team where 6 out of 8 people are taking alphas.
I don’t have any raw data but with my experience, if as A brute I am not taking alphas or even if I am taking the alpha and a tank strips me of aggro, it’s pretty hard to maintain higher levels of fury.
With these numbers, in a team of eight I can easily see a tank more or less matching single target damage with the brute. Add the increased aoe and target cap and the tank easily out damages the brute. If the brute is good at building fury on a single target then they will be better vs AVs but with 7 other people focusing fire that small advantage is a drop in the bucket.
Does 1 tank on a team make adding a brute less optimal than adding pretty much any other archetype? Even a second tank will add more damage than a brute for normal play?
A brute does have to work hard/quickly to maintain high fury, whereas a tank has to do absolutely nothing to maintain it's higher base modifiers, base survivability, and all the other buffs that it is receiving. The table above demonstrably shows that the 0.9 damage-survivability ratio of tanker v brute that captain powerhouse is pushing for is bogus and a midrange buffed damage scenario in team play is more practical than a max damage cap scenario.
In a team scenario with me actively taking point, I'd say it isn't hard to achieve over 70% fury, but that is something that has to be worked for, and the first portion of combat where a brute has to start from zero fury and build up to that is not non-existant. Whereas a tanker can come in a unload their full damage from their first strike. Being able to jump in a drop your foot stomp or whatever aoes you might have is a factor being devalued on the tanker side where they can deal 27% more damage before fury would build. I've also just about got through running all the praetorian arcs solo on my brute and certainly that 0-50% fury marker has been an important factor in my damage output. The size of my aoes has also been something I've been paying more attention to, and having to wait for enemies to group up or simply not hitting foes in my radius that I would have otherwise hit if I were a tanker post-patch is something that can be noticeable. That's something you can have more control over in a solo scenario, but something that takes time to reposition enemies, and in a team scenario it can sometimes not be possible to group up enemies into your radius, where a tanker's effective damage can go higher than numbers would suggest.
10 hours ago, Myrmidon said:Everyone take a break and read this. The tug-of-war can be resumed in the morning.
1 hour ago, Myrmidon said:It seems that this is literally waiting on you.
Cluttering up a feedback thread with your constant 'witty banter' has been enough. That thread has nothing to do with this one. Your ulterior motives are becoming more clear whether that is just post count padding or keeping attention off of amending any of the original proposed changes, I can't say I am the only one that finds it tiring to sift through the mass of posts to find the relevant ones.
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6 hours ago, Gulver said:
Can Confirm, I got Tempered through Fire via Ouroboros on my brute that I rolled as a hero. Took a while but I did it.
That's an understatement
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What's the deal with the psi/ea stalkers? Is that the pvp thing of the month?
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I have a fiery melee / shield stalker, lvl 50, but currently just running on SOs gathering a significant amount of dust. Just wondering if I made a mistake with fiery melee and should reroll? I like that the has some decent aoe, and a less resisted damage type than lethal, but from what I understand the set isn't all that great for stalkers as the fire dots don't crit?
What are the good alternatives to a broadsword stalker that uses shield def? I've never really care for the elec/shield hype. I also already have a psi/shield scrapper that I love but wouldn't want to repeat the combo. I understand broadsword is strong but would like to see how it's competitive with other stalker primaries with shield def.
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On 9/17/2019 at 2:13 PM, Frosticus said:
I wish it was higher.
Between slotting, double assault, follow up, set bonuses and Gaussian in aim I can self cap my damage.
add in double follow up + musculature and that is a lot of wasted potential.
Given how much I bring to a team I wish they could bring something to me...
I'll take that proposed tanker damage cap thx 🙂
This is what I have been fighting in the tanker feedback thread among many other aspects where increasing the damage cap on the most durable AT in the game (and currently refusing to lower brute damage cap) is harmful to other ATs that are nearly immunue to gaining higher performance from team members.
My widow is stuck in the same place:
100% base damage
130% from slotting+musculature alpha
30% double assault
40% damage set bonuses
30-90% from follow up
80% gaussian
=over damage cap
While tankers have immensely higher health, healing, regen, resistances, aggro control, wider aoes, 20% higher endurance, and a damage cap that can rival blaster damage now too. But having a tanker be able to benefit from more than 2 fulcrum shifts or eat a tray of red insps is more important than this or balance with other archetypes.
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I am looking for some feedback and fine tuning on my plant/rad build.
The build currently has 126.3% global recharge, enough for permadom without hasten (meaning I can go afk and still have permadom), and 45% S/L def. Ideally any changes to the build will not sacrifice these two points, which is why I have found myself stuck.
There are several procs I would like to add to the build, but don't see where I can pull slots from to include them and don't know if they're all worth pushing to include. These are Kismet Accuracy and Superior Dominating Grasp: Chance for fiery orb. Also not sure if I am going to kill myself for trying to run maneuevers and tactics without endredux slotting. Analyze weakness proc in Devastating blow is to set up max damage Proton Volleys. Gaussian proc is in tactics and not fusion because it has a chance to proc for each target it affects, so I am hoping that carrion creeper pets will affect this, some confirmation would be helpful. All IOs will be +5 boosted. Any other comments appreciated.
Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.4
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Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Radioactive Assault
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Ice MasteryVillain Profile:
Level 1: Strangler -- SprAscoft-Rchg/+Dmg%(A), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(3), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(3), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(5), SprAscoft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(5), SprAscoft-EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Neutrino Bolt -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Apc-Acc/Rchg(43), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Apc-Dam%(48)
Level 2: Roots -- PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(A), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(7), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), PstBls-Acc/Dmg(9), PstBls-Dam%(13)
Level 4: Contaminated Strike -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(19), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(27)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Seeds of Confusion -- CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(A), CrcPrs-Conf%(11), CrcPrs-Conf(15), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(15), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(17), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(17)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(11)
Level 12: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(A)
Level 14: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Fusion -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 18: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(19)
Level 20: Radiation Siphon -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(31), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(34), Prv-Heal/Rchg(34), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(37), Prv-Absorb%(37)
Level 22: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(23), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(23), RedFrt-EndRdx(25), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(25), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-ResDam%(34), Rct-Def(50)
Level 26: Carrion Creepers -- TraoftheH-Dam%(A), PstBls-Dam%(40), JvlVll-Dam%(40), ImpSwf-Dam%(43), ExpStr-Dam%(46), PstBls-Acc/Dmg(46)
Level 28: Atom Smasher -- Arm-Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Arm-Acc/Rchg(29), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(31), Arm-Dam%(31)
Level 30: Tactics -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 32: Fly Trap -- ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(A), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(33), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(33), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Proton Volley -- StnoftheM-Acc/Dmg(A), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), StnoftheM-Dam%(36), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx(36), StnoftheM-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Devastating Blow -- Hct-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Hct-Acc/Rchg(39), Hct-Dam%(40), AnlWkn-%ToHit(46)
Level 41: Sleet -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), UndDfn-Rchg(42), UndDfn-Rchg/EndRdx(42), Ann-ResDeb%(42)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(45), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(45), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(45), RedFrt-EndRdx(48), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 47: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Hibernate -- DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(50), Pnc-Heal/+End(50)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
Level 0: Marshal
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Born In Battle
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On 9/24/2019 at 7:54 AM, Captain Powerhouse said:
At that point, if the Tanker is considered to be doing too much damage, then so is the brute, even more so. At the moment, the tanker cap wont go below 5.5 unless the Brute cap also goes down to keep the 90% relationship, but that is not something I am currently considering (that can always change.)
On 9/24/2019 at 10:36 AM, StratoNexus said:How do you feel about them having a ~93% relationship to blasters at the cap?
It seems odd to have the absolute cap as a hard line relationship to brutes alone, especially when comparing damage/survivability ratios, since the 3 (supposed) best damage ATs have massively less than 90% the survivability of the tanker. I think it might be OK if, fully buffed, the Brute gains a higher damage advantage over the Tanker than the Tanker gains in survivability advantage over the Brute, not only because the Tanker has a bit more ease on getting higher survivability alone but also because of the currently testing larger AoEs and target caps and improved endurance efficiency.
Trying to baseline raw damage alone around that 90% target is not a bad starting point, but I think it is missing too many factors to be a final target.
The .95 damage scale has a big effect on leveling ease and this will be during a time when no one, not even brutes are coming close to the mitigation a tanker will have. Enemies die so fast in this game, I am having trouble seeing why one of the middle damage ATs needs such a large increase not only to base damage, but also to their best case scenario damage as well as to the number of enemies they can affect with said damage and with the efficiency in which they deliver it. Again, I agree they need more damage. I really want them to solo more efficiently and to bring a bit more damage to teams and something to differentiate them from brutes. I just think everything combined here currently is taking us a few steps too far.
The more I test and the more I think about it, the more I really like the AoE/arc increases. I also like the target cap increases (although 7 or 8 for cones may be better than 10, but I like 10 too). 16 may be too much for the PBAOEs, but 13 or 14 sounds weird. I like the new gauntlet a lot; I might miss the 18 foot taunt in my Seismic Smash (which rarely came into play, but sometimes it made me giggle when that guy way over there turned to look at me after I hit his ally), but overall for the AT, the test version is a vast improvement. But the new base damage just feels way faster than necessary, even in the 20s. Dropping a ton of reds in the 40s and going to town was kind of crazy with the new base and the new cap.
I am also not really a fan of amplifying the buff/debuffs. It is OK and I can see it thematically, but it is not what I expect from the tanker AT. It makes more sense to me as an AT wide focus when their attacks add the control/debuff, as opposed to optional powers. That said, this seems at least interesting, although it might really accentuate some pools more than they should and could make some epic pools too good compared to others epic pools. It affects a lot of balance points and there is a lot to consider for that change.
Bumping an excellent post that got buried. Hoping @Captain Powerhouse will comment.
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4 hours ago, Replacement said:
That's not the full picture, though. You have to multiply their damage scales by their damage caps to get a broader view (but still a rather minor one that I can't believe we're still discussing). Blasters and scrappers are 5.625 max damage multiplier (with Scrappers functionally increasing that by ~10% or whatever the current going crit rate is), this incarnation of tanker is 5.225
@Haijinx I really do want everyone but Controllers and Masterminds bumped up to 500% damage cap as we discussed on like page 34, but that isn't a topic for this patch. In fact, I wonder how much easier it would be to swallow this 550% number if we had word that they would at least look at damage caps of other ATs down the road...
EDIT: we talked about bringing up damage caps for defenders, dominators, and EATS on page... 37ish, if anyone cares.
Thing is people didn't care for AT balance outside of tanker vs brute. (or really anything else I had to offer, and a large portion of this thread gets eaten up by 1 liners by myrmidon which have nothing to do with actual *focused feedback*, which is why I've stopped caring to reply because this thread is so heavily derailed). Captain Powerhouse said specifically he will not nerf brutes' damage cap when they are an outlier. Approxamately 400% of a brute's 775% damage cap is set aside for red insps and team buffs, and this enormous damage cap often detracts from the fact that brutes have much lower base damage. (I currently main a brute and I would support lowering a brute's damage cap). So Tankers are being brought up to that level, the original proposed changes were to give tankers a 600% damage cap which would again have been about 300% dedicated to team buffing and red insps, which has been brought down to ~250% with the recent proposed changes of a 550% damage cap, which is still a very wide margin compared to what other ATs can gain that do not have the durability of a tanker either. Meanwhile Captain Powerhouse has said that red insps et all aren't factored into balance decisions but setting the damage cap as high as it was set clearly makes an otherwise assumption plausible. It also didn't seem to catch that any change to damage caps should be done independently of internal class balance changes such as what is contained in the rest of this patch for tankers. This patch sets a high level of precedent that a certain margin should be present for characters to operate at a standard level and how effective they should be when fully buffed, currently there are several ATs that gain very little from self-damage buffing or team damage buffing (outside of resistance debuffs), Epic ATs being a prime example.
My suggestion has been and still is that any damage cap change should be done independently of other changes within an archetype, because they affect things that are not unique to the archetype but what all ATs have access to: red insps, fulcrum shift, assault, etc. Giving the most durable archetype in the game access to highly competitive baseline damage, which already has a strong utility role in aggro control, alongside significant utility buffs in stronger leadership skills, wider aoes, higher endurance than every other archetype, and then on top of that giving them such a large gap between what they can do at their baseline performance to what they can do with a stack of reds or fulcrum shift is inappropriate for one patch.
The set of changes that have been proposed for tankers is great and I support everything else being done here. I also don't disagree that a damage cap increase for tankers is warranted and needed, this is just a terrible way to push a bunch of changes through that don't look at the bigger picture. Changes to damage caps just need to be done outside of a tanker specific thread and have all ATs discussed collectively while addressing the damage cap specifically.
4 hours ago, Replacement said:Yes, and I would like to see the damage scales fixed for any AT that doesn't have a clean ratio of performance between unbuffed and max-buffed. "Ignored" carries some heavy connotations. I didn't think about them. Note that both of those ATs you mentioned have mechanisms that allow them to bend their damage caps, but yeah I largely agree.
This is wrong, but it's not the Tanker's fault:
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25 minutes ago, Auroxis said:
Defenders don't have access to Arctic Breath, but on SoA it is 15% so that's fine.
The only -res buffed is Melt Armor basically, which doesn't make up for losing Bruising.
14 minutes ago, Auroxis said:1. You have to pick up Assault to make use of it, where-as Bruising comes without a power pick.
2. If you had Assault before, the difference is 8.25% which isn't nearly as good as a 20% resistance debuff against AV's and even EB's.
Did you forget about all the other changes tankers are getting to make up for bruising including the base damage scalar increase and 150% damage cap increase? Those changes to buff and debuff modifiers weren't meant to replace bruising, take them for what they are.
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14 minutes ago, Haijinx said:
Keep in mind the brutes will hit the max cap much easier.
Most the time the Tanker will be 75%-80% or so of a brute.
Brutes will not hit the cap any easier than a tanker would, they still need 400% of damage buffing (16 small reds or two full fulcrum shifts) to hit their damage cap after fury and enhancements are factored in. Tankers will be doing more damage than brutes at the start of a fight, and actually gain more than brutes from the red insps they use and damage buffing from team members.
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5 minutes ago, Captain Powerhouse said:
They are not being considered in a vacuum, those are just limits teams (or insps) can take you to. The game is not balanced around inspiration usage, at any level. If it was, the point that it's easier to keep a brute def/res stacked with the same stack of inspis you entered a mission with would be even more problematic. You need 15 red inps to go from SOs to 550% damage cap for 60 seconds as a tanker. How many minutes of inspiration orange and purple would that budget a brute?
Considering them side by side, if you're using those inspiration slots for purples/oranges then the tanker will be dealing more damage than the brute, with more flexibility to bring red insps where a brute would need to bring oranges, purples, or even possibly blue insps with wider aoes and better endurance management. The damage cap is being set so high with team buffs and inspirations in mind so it should be a factor.
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19 minutes ago, Captain Powerhouse said:
Why the 550% (actual number for the next patch after revisions)?
First, a secondary tank brings little to the team other than more damage, and as a DPS, the tanker is the most sub-optimal choice to any team that wants more damage.
As it stands, Burtes have the same resist/defense caps as tankers, even with SOs, if they get the correct team mates, they can achieve 90% the survivability of a tanker. The 550% allows tankers to get to 90% the damage output as a capped Brute.
Should those two things really be considered in a vacuum when tankers will have significantly higher upfront damage, higher impact from each red inspiration used, and higher base survivability allowing for more build flexibility and team flexibility relying less on team members to make up that gap, and 20% more endurance? When you have the survivability of a tanker or brute you have the flexibility to start every mission or tf with a stack of 20 red inspirations. Will other archetypes that are suffering from the same damage cap as tankers be addressed including kheldians, arachnos ATs, dominators, and defenders?
Night Widow damage cap for example has a 400% damage cap:
My night widow looks at this:
100% base
100% enhanced value
40% set bonuses
30-90% follow up
Gaussian proc
Can't use red inspirations
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3 minutes ago, Replacement said:
In addition to system-level changes, there were at least 30 powers modified in this update. By definition, this was not "quickly slapped together."
While I am mostly all for these changes, I do think there is some risk in going above 500% damage increase. But given half a chance, I would probably up Defenders, Dominators, and any EATS to 500% as well (MMs and trollers effectively ignore their damage caps anyway).
Really, though, I think it feels wrong to balance around max damage multipliers. Are you guys really running around with full time perfect Fulcrum Shifts?
This would be what I am getting at. Please also read my other post and the one on page 31. What was slapped on to this set of changes was the damage cap change and thats why that one thing in particular is being called out over and over again. I do agree that epic archetypes, dominators, and defenders could all use a higher damage cap, but for not one of these archetypes would I start by increasing it by 200% alongside a significant base damage increase. The damage cap change is being compared directly with brutes over and over again when all ATs should be considered for a change like that. The inability to regularly hit said damage cap is being used as justification for setting that number at whatever one pleases, and as shown was chosen in direct comparison to brutes. Brutes could honestly see their damage cap lowered but that is for another discussion, as is the damage cap change for tankers and any other archetype. I sincerely believe that the tanker changes should roll out without a change to the damage cap and that damage caps for all archetypes should be looked at collectively together for a separate patch.
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5 hours ago, cejmp said:
What about the damage cap makes it unbalanced? Tanks can't reach the cap on their own, meaning it requires a team environment, which means the entire team will be capped which means that the increase to the damage cap makes the AT better than it is only under certain conditions. Like in a duo. A tank at the damage cap is still doing less damage than Blasters, Corruptors, Scrappers, and Stalkers with the same buffs. What's the issue? Bruise is out, thankfully.
Nobody has a taste of anything, it's all on test and won't be rolled live until they are done testing. The playerbase doesn't get a taste.
Why do you support a lower damage cap?
Why can't tanks do non-trivial damage? Saying "Damage sponge" is an non-answer artifact of a decades old vision from a game designer with demonstrably flawed ideas of how to make an MMO. Give us a reason that doesn't involve "Role" or "Brute".
Good changes regarding balance are carefully thought out, and typically smaller in scale that can lead to significant improvements. These changes reek of bias and being quickly slapped on as a bandaid. Let the other changes roll out first and then see if a higher damage cap is still needed *for top-end performance only*. The damage scale increase and aoe radius increase already means they will be doing more than non-trivial damage, on top of having a higher endurance bar than every other AT.
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2 hours ago, FUBARczar said:
Let's take KO Blow....
Dmg % KO Blow Damage Scale 100% Blaster 198 1 500% Blaster Cap 990 1 100% Tanker old 158.4 0.8 400% Tanker Cap 633.6 0.8 100% Tanker New 188.1 0.95 575% Tanker Cap 1081.6 0.95 100% Brute 148.5 0.75 775% Brute Cap 1150.9 0.75 Just on the surface, does it make sense that a tank out-damages a Blaster, and nearly equals a Brute? Maybe it does...
Either way after removing Bruising, a bump in the damage scale is certainly warranted. As for the a dmg scale buff + a dmg cap buff, the latter seems a bit much. Something less than or equal to 500 seems more appropriate.
100% Tanker New 188.1 0.95 500% Tanker Cap 940.5 0.95 People really need to look at this. The tanker damage cap increase went too far when combined with such a large base damage increase AND a heavy load of other buffs. The damage cap should not be balanced around red spam and fulcrum shift. Many of the arguments I am seeing from Cejmp could just as easily justify giving tankers a 1000% dmg increase because they won't regularily hit it. If anything the brute damage cap could be lowered because it actually takes _a lot_ to hit it, and either an enormous amount of red insps or fulcrum shifts to do so.
Brute damage cap: 775%
100% Base
100% from enhancements for simplicity.
175% from fury
That leaves a wide margin of 400% which does take a lot to build up to and only if you have the buffs or red inspirations to do so. This could easily be reduced instead of having tankers throw off the balance of every other AT because certain people can only see these changes in a vacuum of brute v tanker.
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I've held back on commenting on this, because of my personal bias as well as the shown bias of those making the changes. Overall I think there are some solid improvements to the tanker class that will make them more effective and competitive with other ATs by means of a higher melee damage modifier and more unique among melee classes by means of wider aoes and a higher target cap on taunt. I think the higher endurance is a little left field but can fit well. Powerset changeups whether t1, t2, or otherwise seem fine.
The one aspect of this change that I disagree with is the not small, but enormous increase to the damage cap, which I will raise several points about. For one the damage cap seems to have been chosen in a vacuum of brute v tanker comparison. I will also mention that brute damage cap is as high as it is because they have a much lower base damage and fury which eats into alot of it. Per percentage point of damage buffing, brutes gain less than other ATs with higher modifiers, including tankers. It also seems to be heavily based on gaining the most benefit possible from red spam or fulcrum shift which are poor arguments for AT balance. It disregards other ATs that suffer from low damage caps including defenders and controllers (which actually have significant damage buffs within powersets available to them), and all four epic archetypes. One of the counter arguments on keeping the enormous damage cap has been that tankers aren't going to be hitting it normally or even with significant buffing, so why set it so high in the first place? The reasoning is lacking unless every archetype set at the same damage cap was buffed similarly.
I also have a strong opinion that the best changes regarding balance are not large sweeping changes but can be small and significant. If it were me making these changes I would roll out the other changes first, the increased melee modifier (which is huge by itself) along with the other utility changes that will make aggro control, area damage effectiveness, endurance, and leveling progression all stronger. I would be in support of _at most_ increasing the tanker damage cap by an additional 100%, but beyond that the reasoning is lacking and hurts balance more than helps it. If it is shown later that for some reason tankers are in need of a higher damage cap aside from other possible changes that would be more aligned with the flavor of the tanker class, then I would support it then I suppose, but I don't believe it is the right direction for the archetype as a whole or in comparison with other archetypes.
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1 hour ago, crytilis said:
You should see this change in the next public release.
Will this include the dominator changes? Thanks!
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Do we uninstall pines hero designer before installing this? And will this be able to load existing builds saved as pines files?
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There is a lot of negativity that floats around about poison. Getting your build set with IOs is very important to make up for the lack of self protection that the set offers. As someone else mentioned, the set performs extremely well on fast moving teams that need a strong debuffer. A team with poison, cold, kin, and 5 damage dealers makes for some crazy fast TF times, and I personally love using my poison defender for apex and tin mage, which have the best merit rewards in the game for time invested, and a place where having a single target debuffer is very valuable for warwalkers and AVs. The -heal AND -special is also particularily helpful for gutting the healing of warwalkers and similar healing enemies. Alkaloid also gets a lot of hate, but used appropriately along with having a rez is just plenty for keeping a team moving fast. Poison is not a soloing set, it is a very powerful force multiplier for team play and does just fine acting as a sole support on a team of damage dealers, but loves most of all having a kinetics user on the team.
My build has 75% S/L res and 45% ranged def which typically makes taking an alpha a non existent issue. Once youre in melee the enemy will be suffering the debuffs of venomous gas.
The build continues to get better with incarnate options. I personally always use incan for team teleports but access to Rebirth and Clarion are very powerful options for a poison defender looking for more safety. I also love using Melee hybrid for a taunt aura which works very well with irradiate and venomous gas.
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Level 50 Magic Defender
Primary Power Set: Poison
Secondary Power Set: Radiation Blast
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Dark MasteryHero Profile:
Level 1: Alkaloid -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(5), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(5), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(21), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(21), NmnCnv-Heal(23)
Level 1: Neutrino Bolt -- SprVglAss-Rchg/+Absorb(A), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg(3), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(3)
Level 2: Envenom -- Acc-I(A), AchHee-ResDeb%(42)
Level 4: Weaken -- CldSns-ToHitDeb(A), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(11), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(13), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(13), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(39), CldSns-%Dam(40)
Level 6: Irradiate -- Arm-Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Arm-Acc/Rchg(7), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Arm-Dam%(9), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(15)
Level 8: Elixir of Life -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(25), ShlWal-Def(37), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(37)
Level 14: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(15)
Level 16: Proton Volley -- StnoftheM-Acc/Dmg(A), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx(17), StnoftheM-Acc/ActRdx/Rng(17), StnoftheM-Dam%(19), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Apc-Dam%(23)
Level 18: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), Rct-ResDam%(40)
Level 20: Aim -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 22: Boxing -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(25), Stp-KB%(40), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(48), Stp-Stun/Rng(48), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(50)
Level 24: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A)
Level 26: Poison Trap -- UnbCns-Dam%(A), NrnSht-Dam%(27), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(27), Lck-%Hold(31), ScrDrv-Dam%(34), Obl-%Dam(34)
Level 28: Cosmic Burst -- SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg(A), SprDfnBst-Dmg/Rchg(29), SprDfnBst-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprDfnBst-Rchg/Heal%(34)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(43), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(46), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(46), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RedFrt-EndRdx(48)
Level 32: Venomous Gas -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(33), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(33), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Oppressive Gloom -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(36), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(36), Stp-Stun/Rng(36), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(37), Stp-KB%(50)
Level 38: Atomic Blast -- SprVglAss-Dmg/Rchg(A), SprVglAss-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Dark Embrace -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(42), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(42), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(43), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(43)
Level 44: Soul Drain -- SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(A), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 47: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A)
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Vigor Core Paragon
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Corr cold 54% resistance debuff before procs
defender cold 60% resistance debuff before procs
defender poison 65% resistance debuff before procs
You're missing the elements of uptime and stacking.
Poison's debuffs don't self-stack and have 100% uptime, so that's easy - your numbers are accurate.
Cold has two debuffs. One - Sleet - can self-stack and be made overlapping. The other - Heat Loss - takes considerable effort to get 100% uptime. If you've actually managed to do so, then you'll have 30% from Heat Loss and 60% from the two stacking Sleets for a total of 90%. (Note: Storm Summoning also has -resist debuffs figures in this range due to the self-stacking issue).
If you're going to bring up stacking sleets then you have to mention it takes ~19 seconds before youre done casting the second with a full IO build. Also keep in mind my main years ago was a fire/cold corr.
The biggest difference between cold and poison on an overall effectiveness level is this:
Cold has shielding and endurance buffing
Cold has better aoe debuffing and -regen
I still consider Cold one of the best sets in the game alongside kinetics. WITH THAT SAID, poison can be very competitive with it, for reasons I've already listed in this thread. Poison debuffs are always available and VG is a toggle. The biggest thing to keep in mind about playing poison is you spend a lot of time spitting envenom and while you don't need to weaken everything, its cast time is longer. Poison is honestly fantastic on defenders. Resistance debuffs are amazing with damage procs which defenders need to use. Defender mods affect everything poison has to offer, and tbh the heal is solid for team healing by itself.
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I played a sonic/thermal corrupter back before game went down. I was happy to reroll this one as a defender because everything both sets have to offer love defender mods.
This build has softcapped ranged defense with a resist shield and enough recharge to forge 6-7 people. Spiritual Core Paragon is very important for this build.
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Level 50 Magic Defender
Primary Power Set: Thermal Radiation
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Dark Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Warmth -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(3), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(3), NmnCnv-Heal(5), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(5), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(11)
Level 1: Shriek -- SprVglAss-Rchg/+Absorb(A), Apc-Dam%(7), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg(13), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15)
Level 2: Cauterize -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(15), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Prv-Heal/Rchg(17), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(19), Prv-Absorb%(19)
Level 4: Howl -- SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg(A), SprDfnBst-Rchg/Heal%(13), SprDfnBst-Dmg/Rchg(25), SprDfnBst-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 6: Thermal Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(7)
Level 8: Plasma Shield -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(9), GldArm-ResDam(9)
Level 10: Power of the Phoenix -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(11), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(34), Stp-Stun/Rng(40), Stp-KB%(40), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(43)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 14: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(33)
Level 16: Shout -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(21), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(21), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 18: Forge -- AdjTrg-ToHit(A), AdjTrg-ToHit/Rchg(34), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(39), AdjTrg-EndRdx/Rchg(37), AdjTrg-Rchg(40)
Level 20: Amplify -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 22: Thaw -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(33), Rct-ResDam%(45)
Level 26: Heat Exhaustion -- Acc-I(A)
Level 28: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(29), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(29), RedFrt-EndRdx(31), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 30: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 32: Melt Armor -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 35: Screech -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(36), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(36), Stp-Stun/Rng(36), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(37), Stp-KB%(37)
Level 38: Dreadful Wail -- SprVglAss-Dmg/Rchg(A), SprVglAss-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Oppressive Gloom -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(42), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(42), Stp-Stun/Rng(42), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(43), Stp-KB%(43)
Level 44: Dark Embrace -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(45)
Level 47: Soul Transfer -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(48), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(48), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(50), Stp-Stun/Rng(50), Stp-KB%(50)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(46), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mk'Bit-Dam%(46), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
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Envenom and Weaken are technically AE, but they're melee-range AE. That being said, they're probably the best 1-2 punch for crippling an AV/GM out there. They're just less effective against large spawns.
Okay, but also I just tested envenom and it doesn't stack with itself. How is it so good at killing AVs/GMs when it can't stack -regen or -res? The numbers aren't that good, and looking at raw stats you'd be MUCH better going with cold/
Cold is an incredibly strong set because of its mix of shielding and debuffing. My personal favorite set in the game. That said, I would also say it is strictly better on a corruptor, and you will get significantly better results with higher damage mods, higher damage cap, and scourge to play off all that -res you're able to lay down. Poison gets a nod towards defenders because all the debuffs are stronger and defenders can make good use out of proc damage to make up for their lower base damage and damage cap.
Corr cold 54% resistance debuff before procs
defender cold 60% resistance debuff before procs
defender poison 65% resistance debuff before procs
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Hmm. Well poison is a very strong debuffing set. Especially with defender mods. It is good for 8 man teams, task force, trial, and endgame content. The healing the set provides is plenty to patch up teams to keep them going when there may otherwise be no healing.
Envenom and Weaken are central to what makes the set so great. Theses powers were originally designed as single target debuffs and the aoe splash debuff should be considered extra. For regular spawns always target the boss, sometimes if a Lt. is in the middle of the pack that can work better because of the splash, but where the powers shine is for archvillains.
The debuffs poison offers is stronger than any other set - Between Envenom, Weaken, and Noxious Gas on a single target that is:
-65% resistance (85% with achilles proc, 105% with fury of glad or annihilation procs)
-about 60% tohit debuff
-18.75% dmg debuff
-50% defense debuff (or more)
-50% regen debuff, but also packs a healing debuff making it more effective against things like CoT Behemoths, War Walkers, Freakshow tank smashers and more!
-Reverse power boost effect on the enemy weakening their heals further, any endurance drains they have, CC, debuffs, etc.
Now sure there are other sets with stronger -regen but when dps is as high as it is for endgame content these days, -resistance is the #1 debuff. The biggest competition poison faces as a debuffer is sleet.
Neurotoxic Breath has an enormous recharge debuff along with the slow and chance to hold making it one of the most potent slows in the game, hence the shorter duration. Between some of the other powers having some utility and skippable/choice powers allows you to dip more into pools and epics. Having so much power in 3 abilities for poison is an amazing benefit. Lastly poison trap is a proc monster and being a trap is not an issue here, you should be running in with super speed to get in with venomous gas anyways, the trap is uninterruptable and is a 1 second cast.
Before level 50 the set is still a support set and should be played carefully. The set does just fine on teams without IOs. With them, you can be very tanky.
The build I have here hits 45% ranged defense and 22.9% ranged/aoe defense with 75% S/L resistance, 23% fire/cold, 12 nrg, and 36 neg. 181.25% global recharge hits perma hasten with two +5 recharge IOs. Also just shy of perma soul drain.
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Level 50 Magic Defender
Primary Power Set: Poison
Secondary Power Set: Radiation Blast
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Dark Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Alkaloid -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(5), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(21), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(21), NmnCnv-Heal(23), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(23)
Level 1: Neutrino Bolt -- SprVglAss-Rchg/+Absorb(A), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg(3), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(3), Apc-Dam%(5)
Level 2: Envenom -- Acc-I(A)
Level 4: Weaken -- CldSns-ToHitDeb(A), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(11), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(13), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(13), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(39), CldSns-%Dam(40)
Level 6: Irradiate -- Arm-Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Arm-Acc/Rchg(7), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Arm-Dam%(9), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(15)
Level 8: Elixir of Life -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(25), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(37), RedFrt-EndRdx(37), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(40), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 14: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(15)
Level 16: Proton Volley -- StnoftheM-Acc/Dmg(A), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx(17), StnoftheM-Acc/ActRdx/Rng(17), StnoftheM-Dam%(19), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19)
Level 18: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(43), Rct-ResDam%(43)
Level 20: Electron Haze -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Boxing -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(25), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(48), Stp-Stun/Rng(48), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(50), Stp-KB%(50)
Level 24: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A)
Level 26: Poison Trap -- UnbCns-Dam%(A), NrnSht-Dam%(27), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(27), Lck-%Hold(31), ScrDrv-Dam%(34), Obl-%Dam(34)
Level 28: Cosmic Burst -- SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg(A), SprDfnBst-Dmg/Rchg(29), SprDfnBst-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), SprDfnBst-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprDfnBst-Rchg/Heal%(34)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), RedFrt-Def(43), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(46), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(46), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RedFrt-EndRdx(48)
Level 32: Venomous Gas -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(33), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(33), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg(33), AchHee-ResDeb%(42)
Level 35: Oppressive Gloom -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(36), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(36), Stp-Stun/Rng(36), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(37), Stp-KB%(50)
Level 38: Atomic Blast -- SprVglAss-Dmg/Rchg(A), SprVglAss-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprVglAss-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Dark Embrace -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(42), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(42), UnbGrd-Max HP%(45)
Level 44: Soul Drain -- SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(A), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 47: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A)
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Vigor Core Paragon
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Quick question for min/maxers
in Stalker
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Does AAO actually taunt for stalkers? My assumption was that it did I outside of hide.