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If you would like your name and credit for your accomplishments removed from the end of the original thread all you need to do is say so, I in no way meant to embarrass you or misrepresent your contributions, and apologies if your inclusion offended you. I do however look forward to you continuing to push the AT's limits.

With only a little over a week left on the timer, it is still anyone's game, could be an easy two billion influence.

A new challenger approaches as BRADICAL proceeds to set new records both within and without of the Mastermind AT

Amazing times, and @BRADICAL that puts you in the lead, not only of the bounty but of the entire leaderboard, huge congratulations. With regards to your question of Enflame and proced Shifting Tides, I have heard good things about procing Shifting Tides, but I cant speak to how it would work out in such a short run. Enflame on the other hand can theoretically bring another 100-150 damage to the run, but that's damage not dps. Both together MIGHT give the possibility of hitting a 9, but as you yourself said, at these absolutely silly clear times, the amount of damage necessary to cross the next second boundary is nuts.

Minor correction it's 4 attacks a second, a little less actually. It works out to be a bit less than 8 buttons pressed a second. I should add that to the op Edit: Ah my bad was on my phone running errands, yes, 15.1515... attacks in 4 seconds to be exact, missed the 4 seconds bit.

Rather than get into another debate I will simply say this. I am here for the truth, people may claim otherwise, that is their right. If anyone would like to demonstrate the information above is incorrect in any way I will happily amend it. With that stated, with regards to the Scrapper issue, the point was to give context. Katana is an upper middle performing Scrapper set, about what people expect. If you feel I am in error and wish to demonstrate that, I have good news. I happen to also be offering a 2 billion influence bounty for the best Division 4 (Same limitations as 4 star hardmode) Scrapper Pylon time, you can prove me wrong, get this thread amended, and make some influence all at once if you'd like. The current Division 4 Peacebringer record is 35 seconds. Here is the link: I look forward to any and all submissions, big or small, in any category or division, its all useful.

You kept this time from me, I'm hurt 😭 I thought we were friends AA! Seriously when you have some time id love to see this posted to the leaderboards

You cant to my knowledge. What Laucianna has felt the need to point out is that in April i presented some of this information as I worked on it. I was told it was wrong or impossible. What I did to prove my math to people who accused me of being wrong was use a simple macro tool on the beta server only which actually due to quirks of how tick rates actually work performs worse than an actual human being, as demonstrated by the excellent times posted by bother America's Angel and Laucianna. This process is actually what lead me down the rabbit hole to learning that ArcanaTime was inaccurate. Since then, in response to the above thread I reported myself, and GMs have been over the issue. My actions were determined not to be in violation of any rule since i used testing tools to test on a test server. Personal feelings of betrayal aside, the above information is accurate within the defined limits and has been reproduced by several people since without the use of any such tools. I do not consider myself some great Kheldian player or whatever, just someone who was interested enough to find the optimal rotation and share it. Given the GM's have addressed this concern, I ask that we move forward and discuss the topic at hand rather than dwelling in the past.

Alright so I discussed this awhile during the beginning of the year as I worked on this in the Discord. I kept meaning to finish it up and get it formatted and posted and well, life happened, interest waned, all of that. However, better late than never, here we are, your one stop shop for Kheldian Rotations. No, not that that kind of rotation. Get a hold of your cephalopod and focus for a moment. DPS Rotations Given how many bespoke term the CoX community has for things that normally use a single term across many games, and how many people I've met who CoH is their only online game, I am going to assume at least some reader's need a basic explanation of what a DPS rotation is, and how you define a good one. If you already know, bare with me because I do have some details that you may not be familiar with specific to CoX's systems. So first some terminology, what is a dps rotation? A dps rotation is a series of powers executed in a cycle, a rotation if you will, that aims to achieve a high amount of damage per second. I know, first grade stuff, stay with me. So how do you define the dps of a rotation? Well that's simple, you total up the average damage of all of the powers in the rotation and divide it by the number of seconds it takes to execute that rotation, the end result is your dps. A simple example if you have an attack that takes 2 seconds and does 100 damage and another that takes 1 second and does 50 damage and you can execute those two attacks back to back with no gaps, then your rotation's dps is 50. (100 + 50) / (2+1) 150/3 50 So how do you build a dps rotation in CoX then? Well you need to look at all of your various attacks DPA. DPA or Damage Per Activation Time is a pretty simple metric that you can look at not only in the descriptions of powers themselves in game but also in Mid's Reborn Hero Calculator. It is also a very simply math equation, its simple the total damage a given attack applies, divided by the time it takes to use that power. A rotation is built by attempting to use the attacks with the highest possible DPA as much as possible as this directly results in higher DPS. In our prior example, both attacks had a DPA of 50, which makes sense. Your rotation's DPA wont be so clean and simple, but the basic premise remains, more dpa means more dps. Alright if you haven't fallen asleep with that lets get into the complications, I promise this was necessary before i let you get your testicles on the raw numbers. ArcanaTime. Most CoX vets have at least heard of the concept. In case you haven't however, here is the basic jist. CoX like most video games does not operate on an infinitely precise timeline, it has to 'update' the state of the world in intervals, much the way frame rate is your monitor creating the illusion of a moving image by showing many static images very quickly. ArcanaTime is a measurement of the REAL time it takes to execute a power, and is always longer than the listed Activation or Cast Time of a power. Or at least it should be. Time for the information far fewer people are generally aware of. ArcanaTime is a lie, a fabrication, a.... really handy illusion. ArcanaTime, named after the Retail Live forum user Arcanaville who first proposed it, was derived from conversations with the then live developers regarding City of Heroes' tick rate, aka the rate at which it updates the state of its virtual world. Like most video games CoX has several tickrates, some derived from others. When it comes to executing powers, the tick rate is 1/4 the tick rate of the attribute updates. The tick rate of the attribute update is 30 ticks per seconds, or 0.033333... seconds, this the tickrate for powers is 7.5 ticks per second or 0.133333... seconds. A power's ArcanaTime then is its cast time plus how ever long is left on the powers tick it ends on, plus one more powers ticks. Meaning Arcana time is always at minimum one power tick longer than the listed cast time. Okay so wheres the lie then? Well Arcanaville made some simplifications that became standard, namely he truncated that pesky repeating 3 into 0.033, giving us a powers tickrate of 0.132 which is technically faster than the actual tick rate. Additionally this calculation was based on information given by the developers of what the tickrate is capped at, NOT examples of the live tick rate. Yes, the tick rate of the game is not an immutable law, it is heavily influenced by server load and hardware performance, meaning that even the provided 0.03333... repeating tick rate is not absolutely true and in practice it is not uncommon for the tick rate to become slower and thus longer per tick. Now to be clear, I'm not bashing Arcanaville, their work forms the backbone of my own and anyone else who has strived to optimize their performance in this game. We all owe him a debt of gratitude for the work her put into this game over a decade and a half ago. Further, for 99% of scenarios, the standard of ArcanaTime is accurate enough as to not be a concern. In fact, to my knowledge, Changling Rotations are the only place in the game where this discrepancy has the potential to have meaningful impacts. Consider this the ramblings of a man who has seen that which cannot be unseen. Now lets get into what this all means for you my squidy compatriot. If you aren't playing as a changling, the entire ArcanaTime concern is largely not applicable, however when we are done you may find yourself reaching for the changling guides on these forums. Normal Kheldians build their rotation the same as anyone else, you look at your best DPA attacks, preferably in Mid's with the 'use ArcanaTime' setting turned on, and attempt to sort the necessary recharge to make it gapless then poor in as much damage and procs as you can. If you are a changeling however, this is where things get complicated. Through extensive testing I believe I have narrowed down the exact 'ArcanaTime' of a perfectly executed changling attack. It is perhaps unsurprisingly, one powers tick to start and end the attack plus the trailing powers tick that 'unlocks' your ability to take actions. Thus a changing attack takes 0.26666... repeating, seconds to execute, or 0.264 seconds using Aracanville's standard. This is what grant's changling its power, as this changes the calculation for the DPA of all of your form attacks. Alright, now that that's all out of the way. Take a deep breath, its time to finally discuss the rotations themselves. The Analysis With all of the above in mind, (save that I learned of the tickrate discrepancy during testing) I worked to calculate the best possible rotation for each of the four major ways of playing both Kheldians, those being Human Only, Tri-form, Old Changling, Infinity Changling. Sorry Bi-form enthusiasts, I just didn't think of you, but I will be providing all the tools you need to do it yourself. Additionally, unless specified otherwise these numbers will be assuming zero damage or proc slotting and a given amount of global recharge. Enhancements of any kinda rarely, if ever, disrupt the accuracy of these results, where I think procs may change things, I will point it out. Generally speaking the more recharge intensive rotations will require an amount of recharge slotted directly into one or more powers, much like any other rotation. This does impact proc damage but is almost always worth it. Our Starting point must be finding those all important DPAs, so what are they? Especially with the changling shifts. (Note the two powers that can be used in either a form or in human form cannot be animation canceled, additionally some numbers are truncated to keep from going past quadruple precision) Peacebringer Powers Power Damage ArcanaTime DPA Changling DPA Recharge Time Nova Glinting Eye 77.4095 1.716 45.110 N/A 4.0s Bright Nova Blast 66.7323 1.716 38.888 252.773 4.0s Bright Nova Bolt 40.0394 1.716 23.332 151.664 1.5s Bright Nova Detonation 60.0591 2.64 22.749 227.496 16.0s Bright Nova Scatter 66.065 1.716 38.499 250.246 12.0s Dwarf Gleaming Bolt 33.3661 1.188 28.085 N/A 1.5s White Dwarf Flare 50.0492 2.244 22.303 189.58 16.0s White Dwarf Smite 73.4055 1.716 42.777 278.051 6.0s White Dwarf Strike 46.7126‬‬ 1.452 32.171 176.941 3.0s Gleaming Bolt 26.6929 1.188 22.468 N/A 1.5s Glinting Eye 44.4882 1.848 24.073 N/A 4.0s Gleaming Blast 72.9606 1.848 39.48 N/A 8.0s Radiant Strike 92.6467 1.32 70.186 N/A 10.0s Photon Scatter 44.0433 2.376 18.536 N/A 12.0s Luminous Detonation 40.0394 1.848 21.666 N/A 16.0s Incandescent Strike 168.2766 3.432 49.031 N/A 20.0s Solar Flare 67.1216 2.244 29.911 N/A 20.0s Photon Seekers 273.6021‬ 2.244 121.926 N/A 180.0s Dawn Strike 177.9528 3.168 56.171 N/A 145.0s Warshade Powers Power Damage ArcanaTime DPA Changling DPA Recharge Time Nova Ebon Eye 77.4095 1.716 45.110 N/A 4.0s Dark Nova Blast 66.7323 1.716 38.888 252.773 4.0s Dark Nova Bolt 40.0394 1.716 23.332 151.664 1.5s Dark Nova Detonation 60.0591 2.64 22.749 227.496 16.0s Dark Nova Scatter 66.065 1.716 38.499 250.246 12.0s Dwarf Shadow Bolt 33.3661 1.188 28.085 N/A 1.5s Black Dwarf Drain 55.6102 2.112 26.33 210.644 15.0s Black Dwarf Mire 55.6102 0.924 60.184 210.644 20.0s Black Dwarf Smite 73.4055 1.716 42.777 278.051 6.0s Black Dwarf Strike 46.7126‬‬ 1.452 32.171 176.941 3.0s Shadow Bolt 26.6929 1.188 22.468 N/A 1.5s Ebon Eye 44.4882 1.848 24.073 N/A 4.0s Gravimetric Snare 44.488 1.848 24.073 N/A 4.0s Shadow Blast 72.9606 1.848 39.48 N/A 8.0s Sunless Mire 47.2687 2.508 18.847 N/A 120.0s Dark Detonation 40.0394 1.848 21.666 N/A 16.0s Gravity Well 89.3379 2.244 39.811 N/A 20.0s Essence Drain 47.2687 2.112 22.381 N/A 15.0s Gravitic Emanation 17.7953 1.188 14.979 N/A 45.0s Unchain Essence 115.6693 3.432 33.703 N/A 240.0s Quasar 177.9528 3.168 56.171 N/A 145.0s Common Pool Powers Power Damage ArcanaTime DPA Changling DPA Recharge Time Toxic Dart 43.8122 1.32 33.191 N/A 4.0s Corrosive Vial 62.2832 1.716 36.295 N/A 60.0s Boxing 46.7012‬ 1.32 35.379 N/A 2.5s Kick 51.6178 1.98 26.069 N/A 3.0s Cross Punch 78.0403 1.848 42.229 N/A 8.0s Air Superiority 47.2687 1.716 27.545 N/A 4.0s Project Will 51.6063 2.244 22.997 N/A 5.0s Wall of Force 28.686‬ 2.64 10.865 N/A 10.0s Jump Kick 47.2687 1.716 27.545 N/A 2.8s Arcane Bolt 65.8425 1.98 33.253 N/A 7.0s Arcane Bolt(Empowered) 131.685 1.98 66.507 N/A 7.0s Enflame 756.304 2.244 337.033 N/A 10.0s Flurry 54.0752 3.3 16.386 N/A 3.0s Okay thats a lot of tables, i got good news though, most of this information immediatly weeds itself out, for instance all but a handful of the Common Pool Powers arent even worth considering. What we normally would be looking for is the best 3-4 attacks, plus whatever value might come from buffs. With longer cooldown buffs we may omit them from the rotation and just 'weave' them into the rotation as necessary by using them to replace the weakest power in the rotation. So lets get cracking then. Peacebringers as usual will start us off (show offs) with their Tri-form and Human form rotations. Optimal Tri-form PB: Radiant Strike --> Incandescent Strike --> Radiant Strike --> Nova Glinting Eye --> White Dwarf Smite Damage: 504.385‬ Time: 9.504 Raw DPS: 53.07 Total Recharge for each power: Radiant Strike: +191.38% Incandescent Strike: +229.39% Glinting Eye: +0% White Dwarf Smite: +0% This rotation is very easy to achieve with good recharge slotting and some global recharge or vice versa but will take a little comfort with making sure to shift nova before using Glinting Eye, luckily the Forms actually do appear to have a true 0 second and 0 tick activation time. Now for Human Only Optimal Human Only PB: Radiant Strike --> Incandescent Strike --> Radiant Strike --> Cross Punch --> Gleaming Blast Damage: 504.5709 Time: 9.768‬ Raw DPS: 51.655 Total Recharge for each power: Radiant Strike: +191.38% Incandescent Strike: +215.66% Glinting Eye: +0% White Dwarf Smite: +0% This will take a little less to achieve, and surprisingly manages to get ~97% the dps of Tri-form. You wont have the versatility, but i suspect this is why a lot of people feel their Human Only PB shines. In terms of recharge requirements, it is much the same. Now how do Warshades hold up? Optimal Tri-form WS: Black Dwarf Mire --> Nova Ebon Eye --> Black Dwarf Smite --> Nova Ebon Eye Damage: 283.8347504.385‬ Time: 6.072 Raw DPS: 46.744 Total Recharge for each power: Black Dwarf Mire: +288.51% Ebon Eye: +332.91% Black Dwarf Smite: +37.75% Yikes thats a lot of recharge, getting Ebon Eye down low enough to be available right after Dwarf Mire is a tall order given the latter's insainly fast ArcanaTime. This is where we look at alternatives, alternatives like... Sub-Optimal Tri-form WS: Black Dwarf Mire --> Nova Ebon Eye --> Black Dwarf Smite --> Cross Punch Damage: 284.4655‬ Time: 6.204‬ Raw DPS: 45.851 Total Recharge for each power: Black Dwarf Mire: +278.79% Ebon Eye: +0% Black Dwarf Smite: +33.69% Cross Punch: +83.66% That is much more obtainable and manages 98% of the damage but I am going to share one more that is even easier and gets almost as close. Sub-Sub-Optimal Tri-form WS: Black Dwarf Mire --> Nova Ebon Eye --> Black Dwarf Smite --> Nova Ebon Eye --> Cross Punch Damage: 361.875‬ Time: 7.92‬‬ Raw DPS: 45.691 Total Recharge for each power: Black Dwarf Mire: +185.88% Ebon Eye: +133.11% Black Dwarf Smite: +0% Cross Punch: +31.76% Now thats easily achievable, even more so than the PB rotation, and manages 97.7% of the true optimal WS rotation's damage. This is one of those rare cases where procs could make this superior to the true optimal rotation unless you get a lot of recharge buffs from outside your build. Okay enough lolly gagging on tri-form shades, what do the non squidy dark bois get? Optimal Human Only WS: Cross Punch --> Gravity Well --> Cross Punch --> Shadow Blast Damage: 318.3793 Time: 7.788 Raw DPS: 40.88 Total Recharge for each power: Cross Punch: +332.91% Gravity Well: +260.76% Shadow Blast: +30.38% Yikes again, okay, dont worry i have a lighter version. Sub-Optimal Human Only WS: Cross Punch --> Boxing --> Gravity Well --> Boxing --> Shadow Blast --> Boxing Damage: 380.4424 Time: 9.9 Raw DPS: 38.428 Total Recharge for each power: Cross Punch: +0% Boxing : +45.69% Gravity Well: +161.24% Shadow Blast: +0% Yeah, yeah... we crutching on Boxing, but itll get you ~94% of the dps for a fraction of the recharge, and procs can probably bring you ahead in the end here. Alright so PB takes the cake here, but WS having better ways to boost its own damage tends to be the better performer in solo or small team encounters. With a pocket Kin though, PB will win out. Now for what you are probably here for, changling rotations, then finalyl we can put all of this into context. Optimal 'Old' Changling PB: White Dwarf Smite --> Bright Nova Blast --> Radiant Strike --> White Dwarf Smite --> Bright Nova Blast --> Cross Punch Damage: 450.9626‬ Time: 4.224‬ Raw DPS: 106.761 Total Recharge for each power: White Dwarf Smite: +278.79% Bright Nova Blast : +152.53% Radiant Strike: +244.36% Cross Punch: +236.71% Alright we are back on that thicc recharge requirement. but this is very much doable, I wont be including lower recharge options going forward for three reasons. One the losses start to become more significant with changling rotations. Two the optimization of these rotations is largely the point of using changling. And three, there is only one infinity changling rotation to my knowledge. So whats the WS version of this? Optimal 'Old' Changling WS: Black Dwarf Smite --> Dark Nova Blast --> Shadow Blast --> Black Dwarf Smite --> Dark Nova Blast --> Cross Punch --> Black Dwarf Smite --> Dark Nova Blast --> Gravity Well Damage: 660.7524‬ Time: 7.524‬ Raw DPS: 87.819 Total Recharge for each power: Black Dwarf Smite: +184.1% Dark Nova Blast : +89.4% Shadow Blast: +40.95% Cross Punch: +40.95% Gravity Well: +278.79% So much the same requirements but for a LOT less dps, this rotation lacks Dwarf Mire, which you would sub in for one of the Nova Blasts as available. You can still edge ahead of a PB at this point until the pocket kin shows up and evens the playing field. Finally its time for the big lads, the 'Infinity' Changlings. Optimal 'Infinity' Changling PB: Bright Nova Bolt --> White Dwarf Smite --> Bright Nova Blast --> Bright Nova Bolt --> Bright Nova Scatter --> White Dwarf Flare --> Bright Nova Bolt --> Bright Nova Blast --> White Dwarf Smite --> Bright Nova Bolt --> White Dwarf Strike --> Bright Nova Detonation --> Bright Nova Blast --> Bright Nova Bolt --> White Dwarf Strike --> Wait (0.132) Damage: 816.8034 Time: 4.092 Raw DPS: 199.609 Total Recharge for each power: Bright Nova Bolt: +278.79% Bright Nova Blast : +278.79% Bright Nova Scatter: +213.48% Bright Nova Detonation: +317.98% White Dwarf Smite: +278.79% White Dwarf Flare: +317.98% White Dwarf Strike: +278.79% Yeesh thats a lot of recharge, but thats a lot of damage, Warshades? What you got? Optimal 'Infinity' Changling WS: Dark Nova Bolt --> Black Dwarf Smite --> Dark Nova Blast --> Black Dwarf Drain --> Dark Nova Emenation --> Black Dwarf Mire --> Dark Nova Bolt --> Black Dwarf Strike --> Dark Nova Blast --> Black Dwarf Smite --> Dark Nova Bolt --> Black Dwarf Strike --> Dark Nova Detonation --> Dark Nova Blast --> Dark Nova Bolt --> Black Dwarf Strike --> Wait (0.132) Damage: 884.6478 Time: 4.356 Raw DPS: 203.087 Total Recharge for each power: Dark Nova Bolt: +278.79% Dark Nova Blast : +278.79% Dark Nova Emenation: +193.26% Dark Nova Detonation: +290.63% Black Dwarf Smite: +224.68% Black Dwarf Drain: +266.57% Black Dwarf Mire: +388.29% Black Dwarf Strike: +278.79% So warshades appear to be the winner here, though look at that Mire recharge requirement, thats right near the recharge cap. You can losen this a little bit by stuffing another Dwarf Strike just after Drain and that will take you down to 201 dps and bring the mire requirement down to +358.72% recharge. As an aside, with either of these rotations you WILL beat out the slower 'Old' Changling rotations even if you don't quite meet the ideal recharge requirements. Additionally a note on performance, not included here is how to setup the macros necessary for changling play. There are already excellent guides for that in this thread. Mechanically performing the 'infinity' rotations to their optimal is something of a challenge, requiring about 8 button presses per second. This is well within your ability if you practice at it, but it is comparable high skill players of other genres like real time strategy. However you can still accomplish significant dps gains even if you cant hit the blistering speeds to score these exact dps values. The Conclusion So its time to put these numbers into perspective. A long time ago some very enterprising people got together and did this exact kind of analysis for every Scrapper set, and they largely land right where they do in real world testing, so i think its safe to say this format is a reliable indicator of success. Given that, lets compair these numbers to a set near and dear to my heart, and in one more table. showing what percentage of a Katana Scrapper each of these are. Bare in mind this does not reflect Scrapper crits, but you can only realistically apply a maximum of about a ~50% increase to the scrapper from those crits and ATOs, really what will get in the way of potentially beating them is the 100% extra damage cap. What Percentage of a Scrapper are you!? Rotation Raw DPS Percentage of Scrapper Katana Scrapper 69.22 100% 'Infinity' Changling PB 199.609 288.36% 'Infinity' Changling WS 203.087 293.4% 'Old' Changling PB 106.761 154.23% 'Old' Changling WS 87.819 126.87% Tri-form PB 53.07 76.67% Tri-form WS 46.744 67.53% Human Only PB 51.655 74.62% Human Only WS 40.88 59.06% That is... a stark difference in performance, and we can do it again assuming damage cap and even that the scrapper is under a permenant +50% crit chance proc and has its other ATOs thus a 58% chance to crit. What Percentage of a Scrapper are you when the chips are down? Rotation DPS Percentage of Scrapper Katana Scrapper 546.838 100% 'Infinity' Changling PB 798.436 146.01% 'Infinity' Changling WS 812.348 148.56% 'Old' Changling PB 427.044‬ 78.1% 'Old' Changling WS 351.276 64.24% Tri-form PB 212.28 38.82% Tri-form WS 186.976 34.2% Human Only PB 206.62 37.79% Human Only WS 163.52 29.91% The wild part here if the 'Infinity' Changling beating one of the premere dps ATs, regardless of the powerset. We can defonitly get into the weeds of procs here, but the most game changing procs like Achilles can actually be used by PBs just fine and more importantly dont stack with applications from your team. This means that in content where these kinds of bonkers DPS numbers are likely to occure and matter, you will likely have the -res procs covered. That only really leaves the damage procs to consider, and on average I find they tend to at best be equivelent to a level 50 damage IO so for whatever number of procs you think is appropriate you can just add 45% of the Raw DPS to the final DPS and be pretty on target. Realistically you wont even get that much value out of it for the aggressive recharge slotting necessary for the changling rotations. Back in the first quarter for 2024 when I was working on all this I predicted that we would see a Changling easily break 1500 dps, and well, I was right as America's Angel did so in June. Today even under 4 star limitations a solo Kheldian is within spitting distance of that same 1k dps mark with America's Angel having a 943.707 dps run under the same limits as a 4 star Advanced difficulty TF. For context that beats every Scrapper under the more open traditional pylon rules. So thats it? I solved Kheldians? No, I'd say this is the start. Even when I started on this journey I expected I wouldn't manage to explore everything, and I didn't even manage what I had planned. So here is what I see as major avenues for you, the read to explore. Tick rate details: I actually cant be 100% sure my 2 power ticks calculation for cast arcana times is 100% accurate, i found in testing rare times where i could actually perform two powers in what appears to be a single tick. However after several days of recording and frame counting I never found to cause or how to reproduce. Additionally there is the question of what the tick rates ACTUALLY look like in various content during play. I'll bet money they slow down a lot in an MSR Full build simulations: The numbers above are accurate within what they consider, but they don't account for procs or even accuracy. That 5% chance to miss is always looming. I would love to see the true theoretical maximums figured out one day. I know how, I just haven't had the energy yet to do it. Rotation Optimizations: I am pretty confident in my rotations, but at the end of the day they are such a complex system of choices that its possible I missed something, wouldn't be a first! Warshade times: I have loads of PB times but it seems the spooky boys are shy, get out there and record some pylons my guys, you actually have the advantage here!

I need to format this all but if you are using 'infinity' changling or whatever people have settled on for the name then Gwell is not going to cut it, it cant because when executed to its fullest all form attacks in your rotation have a dpa over 150 before any damage enhancements. Gwell has a base dpa of less than 50 As for Orbit, its just not on reliably enough, it IS more damage than youd do without it, but not a huge amount, id only include it when hard minmaxing.

And there's been a shake up already as Vertigolguana shows up with a commanding lead, looking to claim another bounty!

Killer time Vert, and yeah i agree with your interpretation here. Brine creates aggro and the -hp is arguably damage by another name. I consider these times to be reflective of boss killing potential (if with some caveats carried over from when we didn't have better tools) so prestacking Brine would definitely violate that intent.

I've been needing to add a 54 dummy table to the sheet and am glad to have this run from you once i have more than a screenshot. (cant assume which specific pieces of each set you are using). However just for context it wont be valid for a current bounty in case that was the intent. If youd like to throw it at the leveless pylon on the other side of the base, that will put you in the competition. Either way i appreciate every submission a ton

The First week comes to a close and out first leader is established. Now it up to you all to gun for TheSpiritFox

All good, thank you for getting back to me with it, I'm always willing to work with people. Your time is now listed. It is marked for Div3 due to the sue of the recovery temp power.

Sentinel Irradiate is flagged to accept ST ranged enhancements instead of only Melee AoE enhancements like all other versions of the power. Visible in CoD as well: https://cod.uberguy.net./html/power.html?power=sentinel_ranged.radiation_blast.irradiate&at=sentinel

Worth noting this 5% is against even leveled enemies. Higher level enemies have increased accuracy, accuracy multiplies tohit. Specifically a +4 enemy against an incarnated +1 player has a 6.5% chance to hit you at cap. This makes the danger of -def even greater, to use the example above, if you are at 45% and take -5% you will be at 40% defense meaning a +4 mob will have not a 10% chance, but a 13% chance to hit you. There is also the concern of 'incarnate cap' and 4 star hardmode tfs namely specific endgame content actually sees the enemies having +tohit which means to reach defense soft cap you actually need MORE defense. However on the flip side, building for that cap yourself only really makes sense if you don't expect to have any defense buffs in your team. Traditionally many players take Maneuvers at the least so i expect a full team to be rocking +10% defense at a minimum most of the time, with it usually being much higher due to support. Even without Barrier its not uncommon for my 4 star teams to be providing over 60-70% defense from support powers. At the end of the day the value comes down to the content you are doing and the team you are doing it with more than any hard and fast rule.

Excellent, thank you, updated. In other news the sheet has now been updated to reflect the patching of the Signature Summons tech that allowed you to use two sig summons. As such the runs using this method have been archived. You can still find them in the sheet if you change the view you are using.

@TheSpiritFox no dice on import but I can manually recreate from that at least, Its up now, thanks! Also attached is my recreation of the build from above, feel free to let me know what details to correct such as level boosters and combined hamios. 168 - TheSpiritFox - (Thugs - Traps).mbd

@TheSpiritFox That build chunk appears to be the legacy format recently dropped. I assume you are using an older version of Mids. Modern mids should be able to load the data chunk but I have been unable to load it in any of the following versions. v3.7.5 v3.4.7 v3.2.17 I'd check pines but i don't have it installed anymore it seems. Can you provide either the build file (doesn't need to be from the updated version) or a data chunk produced by the current version of Mids' Reborn? https://midsreborn.com/

If you wanna max tides damage, you want as many attacks per second as possible. MMs are a good option for that, as is certain patch damages, I believe most rains. Ideally you want to hit all the mobs in the tide once every .2 seconds

I appreciate the enthusiasm and will agree that the community underrates the AT after it's rework. I don't turn my nose up at sentinels, even in my 4 star teams. However... They still don't have a super solid role, they don't bring enough damage to justify their place in an optimized team nor enough of any utility. A blaster can mitigate the mez issue easily nowadays, and corruptors still outperform them hard. Their debuff is great in solo and small groups, but in an optimized team, it's barely a drop in the -res sea. And the added durability is the same as a stalker, which is to say, not a lot in end game content, especially when that will be handled via support. All of this is to say, sentinels still don't shine in end game. But then neither do controllers or any VEAT but crab. Anyone who dunks on them for any content below 4 stars though is just repeating the meme from before the rework.

Thanks! Theres a format template in the OP of this thread, ill follow up and update the sheet tomorrow as im on my pone atm. When you say a 54 Pylon you do mean the pylons at the Vanguard base that do not attack correct?

The bounties are back and while there's not been much rush to see what a truly unshackled scrapper can do (a lot of us have seen how unshackled you really are already 😅) we do wanna see what you can do under the limits of the hardest content in the game. So lets see some pylon times under 4 star restrictions! Bounty Posted! Prize: 2 billion influence Task: Post the best Division 4 time of any Scrapper for the month of September. Read the rules and regulations for Division 4 and post your results here: Clear Speed Leaderboards (posts made in this thread will be processed if they meet the requirements listed.) Start Date/Time: 00:00 UTC, September 1st 2024 See in your time here! End Date/Time: 00:00 UTC, October 1st 2024 See in your time here! (In the links, look in the non bold text with your location in it, if anyone has a better translation method, let me know.) Runs on the test server are valid provided they do not make use of any changes currently being tested, or the changes used are promoted to live. Division 4 Rules: Any power not available in the most restrictive endgame content (currently 4 star hardmode) is banned. (See linked thread for specific powers)

The bounty board is back! And today we are looking to you, our lovely masters of mayhem, to show what a Mastermind can do when taken to the limit! Bounty Posted! Prize: 2 billion influence Task: Post the best Division 1 time of any Mastermind for the month of September. Read the rules and regulations for Division 1 and post your results here: Clear Speed Leaderboards (posts made in this thread will be processed if they meet the requirements listed.) Start Date/Time: 00:00 UTC, September 1st 2024 See in your time here! End Date/Time: 00:00 UTC, October 1st 2024 See in your time here! (In the links, look in the non bold text with your location in it, if anyone has a better translation method, let me know.) Runs on the test server are valid provided they do not make use of any changes currently being tested, or the changes used are promoted to live. Division 1 Rules: Any temp that can be easily stockpiled and ran as part of normal play is legal, lores and inspirations are banned. (See linked thread for specific powers)