AboveTheChemist
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I don't bid super low (like 5 inf) as a rule, but because of the display bug I'll put in a 5 inf bid just so I can see an accurate price history and then delete that bid when I am done. That being said, sometimes those 5 inf bids fill in the short time I have them up and that doesn't bother me in the least. As Adeon said, people are responsible for their own listing prices. Other than that my only principle is to earn as much as I can while spending as little as I can, and I'm mostly successful at that.
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Uncommon To Hit Debuff, Defense Debuff, Knockback, Fear, Sleep, and Disorient almost always convert to Rare when converted to the same type.
You can strike the "almost" from that statement. There are some uncommon (yellow name) IOs in rare sets that the converter treats as rare. See my two previous posts on this page for more details.
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Thanks for this, I tried going for things listing for 2.5m or more this way, and I felt it's been better than doing it the way of the original poster.
In the couple of weeks since I wrote that, I got a little more adventurous with the process. I've probably made about 100M but I also had a few setbacks that were valuable lessons. I haven't converted anything in significant volume but I am going to try to devote some more time to it in the next week or two to see how much I can make now that I have a bit more experience. Like you I ended up enjoying it more than I thought I would, and I agree with your observation about how it seems like gambling with the odds in your favor.
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Do you have outstanding bids that were higher than these winning bids as I mentioned in the Stalker ATO scenario, AboveTheChemist?
I wasn't bidding on the Trap of the Hunter, I was selling. The two sales I had were for 2M and 1.5M, but they were several days prior to that screenshot.
I'm sure the devs would love to hear about the bug. I hope they can fix it. That Transmatrix SO you mentioned definitely seems suspect.
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Thanks Adeon! It's fishy for sure but odd that it's, for the moment, restricted to just this IO. Unless anyone else is seeing it elsewhere?
As I mentioned, it's not just this IO. Here is what I am currently seeing on the one you mentioned (top), as well as a couple of others that I've noted over the past couple of weeks. I feel like I have seen it on maybe one or two others, but these are the only two I can recall.
I do find it strange that the histories for the Assassin's Mark and the Xenon Exposure are the same, but that could just be a coincidence. I sold that Trap of the Hunter for 2M and I had another sale of the same IO for 1.5M, but they were a day or two ago and don't show up in the current history.
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I've seen that same issue on multiple other items, and I'm sure any of the market regulars could chime in with many other examples. I thought that maybe the AH was randomly dropping the last three zeros, but given the scenario you present, that idea doesn't hold water. My only other thought is that somehow the bid histories get crossed with other items.
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I tried this out last night and it worked great! Thank you!
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Soooo... I have a question for you guys.
I was making an ice themed magic character tonight and though I'd pick Cryowitch (taken... not too surprsing). Since I didn't want to bother someone (even if they were just name camping) I decided to try some other cryo themed names.
Is it just me, or are ALL names that start with 'Cr' not allowed? Is this a bug, or can someone confirm a reason why this is the case.
I have a character whose name starts with 'Cryogenic' and I didn't have any problems getting that name.
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But it looks like maybe the converts treat all IOs in a set as having the same rarity?
That is what I have ultimately concluded from Shinobu's information and from my own experience. I'm sure there is probably a reason why apparently uncommon IOs appear in rare sets and vice versa, based on drop rate and/or the salvage types required to craft them, but in terms of trying to make money via enhancement conversion, it only really matters how the converter sees them.
Of course my experience is far from exhaustive so it's certainly possible that there are cases that do not fit the above conclusion, and I am going to continue to keep an eye out in case I happen to run across one.
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one IO in Debilitative Action is still uncommon and would require an in-set roll to get a rare
Is that actually the case though? As Shinobu explained to me in the Zero to 1M thread, even though some IOs appear to be uncommon (yellow name), the converter treats them as rare.
I know for a fact that there are some sets (Kinetic Crash, for example) that are uncommon but appear to have a rare in them (Kinetic Crash: Knockback/Damage/Accuracy in this case). However, the converter tool treats this IO as uncommon. As I mentioned later in that thread I bought several of these thinking they were rare and that I was cleverly saving myself 2 converters, but they are uncommon, as illustrated via my logs below (I stripped out the text color tags for readability). The first conversion is an out-of-set by type, the second two are out-of-set by rarity, on level 31 enhancements.
2019-06-23 21:20:10 Kinetic Crash: Knockback/Damage/Accuracy successfully converted to Force Feedback: Knockback/Damage.
2019-06-23 21:20:49 Force Feedback: Knockback/Damage successfully converted to Winter's Gift: Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance.
2019-06-23 21:28:04 Winter's Gift: Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance successfully converted to Reactive Defenses: Defense/Endurance/Recharge.
Here's another example I found. These are both out-of-set by rarity conversions on level 31 enhancements. Edict of the Master: Accuracy/Damage is one of the yellow-name rare IOs.
2019-06-26 02:55:38 Lockdown: Accuracy/Recharge successfully converted to Edict of the Master: Accuracy/Damage.
2019-06-26 02:55:57 Edict of the Master: Accuracy/Damage successfully converted to Pacing of the Turtle: Endurance/Recharge/Slow.
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I dipped my toe in the marketeering pool yesterday afternoon. I spent several hours studying the wiki page for enhancement sets and researching prices on the AH until I felt comfortable buying six recipes. I had 8 converters on hand from drops, and a Babbage pop right before I planned to start converting netted me a quick 6 merits which I used to buy 18 more converters (although I had plenty on hand, I just like killing giant monsters).
I started with 4M inf and spent less than a million (not counting the value of the converters I used), much of which went to listing fees. I was conservative, and after the initial conversion by type to get a rare, I think I did at most two conversions by rarity per enhancement, using 19 converters total. In each case I ended up with enhancements that listed for a minimum of 2.5M. I figured for my first time out, that was a pretty good result, and I didn't want to throw too many converters away chasing something better. I didn't write down the enhancements I ended up listing, but as of this morning 3 had sold for a total of 11M, and the other 3 are still waiting to sell. I know that is chump change to the hardcore, but for someone who would not have even considered this a week ago, it was an encouraging success.
Force Feedback: Knockback/Damage is actually rare even if it shows as yellow. Don't ask me why it's like that.
There are a few uncommon recipes that require rare salvage to craft. Soaring: Fly/Endurance is one, it requires Reactive Gas, but it's still an uncommon recipe or IO. There are also some rare recipes that only require uncommon and common salvage to craft, no rare salvage. One of these is Kinetic Combat accuracy/damage, which displays as yellow but is still a rare recipe, but requires no rare salvage. Another is Mako's Bite accuracy/damage, which displays as orange but also requires no rare salvage. Then you have ones like the Force Feedback knockback/damage which requires rare salvage and is actually a rare recipe or IO, but for some reason still displays yellow.
I'll add to this, and it will likely not be news to any veteran marketeers but for other newbies like me it may be helpful. There are a handful of recipes that appear as a rare within an otherwise uncommon set. For example, Dampened Spirits: Recharge shows up with the orange (rare) name, but does not use rare salvage and when converting, it is listed as uncommon. I thought I was being clever and buying a cheaply crafted rare recipe (and thus saving myself 2 converters), but that wasn't the case. I apparently wasn't the only one fooled, though, because the "Bidding/For Sale" ratio for that recipe was MUCH higher than the rest of the pieces in that set, although the recipe itself wasn't overly expensive (10k or less). There are similar instances in the Undermined Defenses, Mocking Beratement, and Kinetic Crash sets (which I know from personal testing), and I think Adjusted Targeting and Efficacy Adaptor also have recipes that fit this category, but those recipes were too expensive for me to try them.
One other oddity I noted was that my very first conversion by rarity netted me a Winter's Gift enhancement. I assumed this was a winter enhancement so it threw me that I landed on it, but it must be coded as a rare IO. It didn't have an impressive list price so I converted it again for something better.
Anyway, thanks again for such a great guide (and for others who have written marketeering guides). I quit live way before the invention system even came out so learning about IOs and sets and conversion has all been new, and working through this process has been a good way to help get up to speed on a big aspect of the game that I missed the first time around.
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I end up putting in a "safe" bid and then clicking Find from the Bid tab, which seems to update the history data more reliably.
This tip helped me immensely yesterday, thank you! It worked so well that I ended up buying a couple of uncommon recipes for 5 inf!
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This has been a fascinating thread, to the point where I am considering trying this, and I would not have said that a week ago.
https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancement_Sets
This wiki page is also very useful because it lists the level range for every IO set. If you want to see why I'd craft a level 31 Lethargic Response Sleep recipe, for example, it's because level 31 is cheaper to craft than level 50, and it can only convert into a Call of the Sandman (rare) IO.
In this case the Lethargic Repose to Call of the Sandman conversion is guaranteed to produce a rare, but I noticed that some of the "starter" recipes you bought (for example, Kinetic Crash) convert by type into a set (Force Feedback in this case) that still has one uncommon. Granted, the chance of not converting to a rare is low, but I was curious how you mitigated the risk of landing on that uncommon, or if that was even a consideration.
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Great, thank you for the advice!
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IO's came along after I quit Live, and I've spent the last couple of days trying to make sense of enhancement sets and attuned IO's. My main question at this point is that if I am level 50 and considering a set that has a level range of say 30-50, is there any reason I wouldn't buy the attuned level 30 version? When I slot it, it should take on the attributes of the level 50 version, correct? And it should theoretically be cheaper, or does that not come into play due to the "bucketing" that takes place in the market?
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This is the absolute truth. I am a terrible hoarder in games (you should see my Everquest bank mules) and even I have learned to let the market be my salvage storage space. With a little patience a (quite modest) profit can be made from storing it in the market.