[Super Strength changes & proliferation to Scrappers and Stalkers]

On 10/15/2020 at 3:22 PM, Vanden said:

Powers

Jab

• Now takes Defense Buff IOs

 

if only... :x

[The Tank Gods. . .]

6 hours ago, nihilii said:

The standard Romulus isn't completely helpless, but he is manageable. And then... his transformation turns him into your worst nightmare

To be fair, He (and his balls of hell) is the only thing i still dont know how to manage solo without tedious single pull or incarnates.

[Was Bio Armor ever balanced?]

2 hours ago, Saikochoro said:

Well shield defense can get a larger damage bonus with AAO in addition to a telenuke. 

Yeah but AAO is still simple + dmg, where Bio and fire are additional dmg, clearly better when you re capped by a Kin (or inspirations).

 

19 minutes ago, Coyote said:

Endurance drain and -Recovery

Bio have Endurance resistance.

 

8 minutes ago, Saikochoro said:

That seems to be a good trade off for its offensive strength. Some sets offer better mitigation. Some offer better offensive power. Some sets are a mix. Bio armor is honestly not the top dog in any of those regards when factoring in all available sets. It may be high up on the list, but I wouldn’t even say it’s the best secondary, much less an overpowered outlier. 

i agree with you but i still think Bio armor is in the top 5 armors for teaming cause it takes advantage of any team buff : just the stacks of maneuver is insane on a Bio scrapper.

[The Tank Gods. . .]

2 hours ago, nihilii said:

I am unsure where to go from there. This Bio/TW cannot give much more, at least in my hands. Perhaps Rad/TW or Elec/TW would fare better. But the DPS is barely enough as is, and Bio is by far the best damage option with Offensive Mode, -res aura and damage aura, Elec at least has a damage aura, Quickness, and great native end tools. Perhaps PPP shenanigans could help fill the gap, i.e. getting the Mu Striker pet? If the guy stays at range and adds ~20 DPS, that could be helpful. Wishful thinking.

 

imho you can remove the tanker Rad Tw, the runs i did was painfull.

[The Tank Gods. . .]

On 10/13/2020 at 4:22 PM, nihilii said:

Right. Then we get into recording video footage. Then we question if the video was edited. It's endless.

 

I have boundless appreciation for the friendly, high trust environment we have on these forums, this topic included. People sharing their thoughts and explaining rationale at length, with competition not against each other but rather the limits of what we can do collectively. True, it may mean there isn't that extra incentive of ego to push individual performance to the max. A small price to pay for that frictionless experience, to me.

 

If elusive pro gamers want to share their insights or even flex on us, I'll take whatever hint or piece of advice that may be gleaned. Then it hopefully seeps to the collective. It's all good.

Not to mention that we "lightly" forgot a small details, YT vids are banned till the negociations with Nc soft are in progress. (i have privated mine waiting for the day)

[Pylon Damage Thread]

On 10/7/2020 at 9:04 AM, Kanil said:

  

 

yeah, the ppm thing is absolutely strange to me because of that specifically... i really wonder where the idea even comes from that ppm needs fixing. practically every single build i've got on here leverages the ppm system to either close the gap between mid and top tier powersets or really abuses it (see the non-proc wm build vs the procced up wm build). it's worrying because it feels like there's a really insane disconnect somewhere in what high end builds are like vs some worry about 'things being logical outliers/not following a standard set of rules'.

 

even without the spectre of TW hanging over tier performances, it actually widens the gap between things like WM and well, uh, everything below WM in terms of performance. i wouldn't be surprised to find in proper testing that in a world where the ppm stuff is heavily nerfed/weakened, WM having a larger gap to whatever the second best set would be (likely still DB by my guess?) than TW does to WM, except WM has no caveat like TW does in how flexible it is in live play.

 

one of the big things about a potential ppm nerf that generally goes overlooked beyond high-spec builders is that scrappers rely on being able to leverage ppm to actually keep pace with stalkers and brutes - without it, they're kind of a dead end. many of the relevant stalker sets already outperform scrappers by quite a large margin in both ST and AOE without really 'sacrificing' anything besides a taunt aura.

 

also, a WM build actually doesn't need to sacrifice any of that stuff for those kinds of results. i wouldn't be surprised if that snipe was actually a total net loss for damage since that was the case in my testing with DB and BS, but it's something i've only incidentally tested.  i've actually posted twice in this thread getting better or close to results to your stuff using both a traditional non-proc build without having to rely on any epic power pools at all. honestly, in my live play of the powersets i'd actually pick wm over tw like 90% of the time due to how much tw actually suffers in speedrun/strong teams in comparison to WM generally being able to contribute more overall, but that's a pretty specific niche that i'd imagine most players don't really delve into (and that wouldn't be balanced around anyways). the better output on TW, even if it is a definitive outlier just ends up being like... not substantial unless you are carrying the team yourself - the speed in which stuff gets wrecked is such a huge issue, haha.

 

i actually also find SS to be in a weird spot because of this as well - SS is practically worthless for speed purposes because of the amount of downtime you have (near 20% downtime) actively being detrimental to the team on top of the general +dmg woes that come with the territory but in casual teams that crash is totally negligible. that's just a tangent on something that's bound to get nerfed for being an "overpowered outlier" that just don't really tack with my experience as well, though.

 

 

anyways, here's both of the post in case if you're lookin for vid evidence. i'm not actually sure if i have the builds on hand anymore, but they're not really that wild.

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i have "privated" all my vids about Homecoming : we are still ban from stream and yt to protect the negociations with NC soft.

 

I suggest you to do the same, till we can showcase at will 🙂

[Rest in Peace GM Cyclone / Robotech_Master]

Il y a des moments dans la vie ou même les Divas doivent savoir se taire.

 

Merci pour les précieux guides qui m'ont aidé a trouver mon chemin quand je suis revenu, perdu sur Torchbearer.

 

Je hais 2020, année qui a pris ma Maman et tant de gens.

 

Sincères condoléances a la famille et aux proches.

 

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Sometimes even Divas just have to close their mouth.

 

Thank for the guides who helped me to find my way when i came back, lost in Torchbearer.

 

I hate 2020 who took my Mum and so many people.

 

Sincere condolences to the family and friends.

 

 

Repose en Paix, Héros.

 

Rest in Peace, Hero.

[Post your best costume designs here!]

8 minutes ago, Gobbledegook said:

At first i read Diaper Mummy lol. I though it was a badly applied diaper on his head haha

and me, Super "SENPAI" :x

[To Placate or not to Placate]

1 minute ago, Saikochoro said:

Some may disagree, but placate is largely obsolete with the later game changes to assassins strike and the stalker ATOs.

for base dpa, yeah placate is crap 🙂

 

But if you love your stalkers to be as bursty as possible AKA more than 25% damage + Bio offensive, it's a must have 😄

 

You want to placate this type of stupid "marine canon" attacks :

 

 

[The Tank Gods. . .]

1 hour ago, Gobbledegook said:

Is there a tactic to last Romulus? I killed his nictus but just after i killed the last one Romulus hit me with a Critical Hack for 4800 points of damage even with 90% resists. He one shotted me.

 

24 minutes ago, Lex Talion said:

Romulus Nictus (M4) has additional attacks incl. Sunless Mire. It's easy to spot, but if it connects you should get out of range until it wears off. One of the Nictus Essences, the one that is autohitting, buffs Rommie too, iirc.

With 'enemies buffed' setting a L54 Romulus (M3) hits for over 2100 pts with Hack and I don't know exactly how much bonus dmg Romulus Nictus' (M4) version of Sunless Mire provides but with the challenge settings every point is one point too many :P. His attacks are also split up between lethal and negative damage, in case that matters for your armor set, and 2 damage types circumvent the one-shot protection, iirc.

4800 pts sounds like full, or almost full crit damage though, and since you mentioned that it happened right after killing a Nictus you probably got stunned by the Nictus' Death Throw. The stun magnitude can overcome most mez protections that aren't stacked. Even if the stun only lasts for a few seconds, due to high stun resistance, it still suprresses the effect of your armor toggles during that time.

Your combat log could probably tell you more.

 

As a rule of thumb, unless you're really sure about the numbers, I'd say: if Sunless Mire connects or if Romulus or a Nictus Essence dies get out of range and stay out of range til the Mire wore off or the Death Throw stun is over and you checked your toggles.

 

omg this explain a lot more some of "rage quit" fails :x

 

Thank you, i must become better with this M4 romu single pull lol

[The Tank Gods. . .]

14 hours ago, nihilii said:

Edit: instead of leaving after my defeat, I kept going just to see how Mission 3 would look.

 

I managed to defeat Requiem in about 10 minutes, thanks to his own Oppressive Gloom hurting him.

 

As for Romulus... Forget it. Not only my damage barely outpaces his regen in the best case scenario, but I made a glaring mistake in my latest rebuild: I saw ~105-110% chance to hit and thought there was fat to be trimmed. I forgot that was a purposeful overshot. My Mids is set to display tohit against +3s, while we fight true +4s. Accuracy remains 95% against most enemies thanks to Radiation Melee defense debuffs. It wasn't a problem against Requiem either, despite his archvillain resistance.

 

But... Romulus combines standard AV resistance with some passive defense, and that's a dealbreaker. I fell down to ~70% chance to hit against him, which obviously can't cut it with a base DPS of around 230.

 

What would be the ideal character, I wonder. SR is nice for overall defense, but lacking endurance tools or offensive boosts beyond Quickness really stretches your resources thin to hit required DPS walls.

 

Boring as it is to always go for these powersets, Rad or Bio paired with TW might be it. Both Rad and Bio offer numerous endurance tools and take care of healing. TW has defensive sweep, great DPA, better DPE than other secondaries, and tons of knockdown.

 

After 21 runs with 21 diferents builds created on 7 diferents AT on 3 diferents roles (Tankers, Brutes and Dominators), and finishing on my old TW rad tanker, all i can say is that the all mighty Titan Weapon is kinda not enough, i cannot say what exactly but with no incarnates, i feel TW more as "Titan Toothpick" Oo

 

So i dont think max DPS is the answer to max dif no incarnates runs.

 

Not to mention that TW is fun but the sound is tiring after like 4 hours of constant fighting, i now remember why i have not enjoy my TW fire brute farmer :x

 

Edit : the incarnates system was really an easy clutch for the devs bck in the days, so many awesome armors and set have their holes feel by incarnates instead of being just redesigned and balanced 😕

[The Tank Gods. . .]

6 hours ago, Lex Talion said:

After 5 or 6 attempts with my MA/SR scrapper (the last one ended by Romulus (M3) with a Hack/Push Back combo that leaves literally no time to react and dishes out about 4400dmg before resistance) I needed some motivation and took a stroll with my SR/Fire tank instead. A world of difference. Not using a high-damage set his solo-DPS is just barely enough to kill Romulus Nictus, but it takes forever.

Therefore I relied on NPCs to beef up DPS, so clearing the battlefields was mandatory. Unfortunately that made me finish with but an insignificant time, but at least it was safe and comfortable.

 

MoITF 54/8, no Insps, no Amplifiers, Enemies buffed

 

 

 

Another Sr in the club 🙂

 

And from Reunion !!

 

Congratulations !

[The Tank Gods. . .]

34 minutes ago, nihilii said:

Respecced to get Energy Torrent, and it helps. Although not as much as I hoped.

 

Hoverfight to use cone as a "poor pbaoe" maybe ?

 

34 minutes ago, nihilii said:

However, great mileage out of grabbing a few more E/N res % here and there. The nature of SR scaling resistances, compounded by this challenge, makes every extra point exponentially more important.

I died in M2 again... because I sat next to a crystal while on low health, and the explosion actually hit and killed me. Dumb mistake. There was nothing preventing me from jumping away on that last attack.

 

dam crystals :x seems they have the +50% acc too with enemy buffed.

 

34 minutes ago, nihilii said:

Another helpful change was switching a Superior Avalanche acc/dam for the rech/KD proc in Atom Smasher. Even at a low proc rate, hitting 16 targets at a time guarantees some of them will fall down. KD is so helpful in lowering the incoming damage.

I also have the Might of the Tanker set in Atom Smasher, so beyond build tweaks there was a change in playstyle that brought improvement: using Atom Smasher as much as possible against Cysts, to cap E/N res earlier.

 

yeah i even slot a +kb on my mass levitate on my testruns with Psi mélée :x soft cc is life

[The Tank Gods. . .]

45 minutes ago, Sir Myshkin said:

I think you may have missed an element about the runs folks have been attempting are including buffed enemies which changes the dynamic of the run by a considerable amount.

I had finally killed all the EB in mission 3 and... my graphic drivers decide to update.

 

Freeze and <splat>

 

[The Tank Gods. . .]

Please guys, keep it civil and cool, this thread dont desserve to be polluted 🙂

 

 

[The Tank Gods. . .]

2 hours ago, FUBARczar said:

yeah just FYI the people I know don't count it unless it's under 2 hours for solo, just saying. 

Yeah i know a dude who know a girl who have a cousin who have a stepdaddy who know a friend who have a dog who speak 10000 diferents languages.

2 hours ago, FUBARczar said:

I tend to agree the time component is important because it is another element of difficulty. 

Nice i cant wait to see your runs 😄

2 hours ago, FUBARczar said:

It doesn't allow someone to be overly cautious/timid pulling everything, requires more strategy, tighter builds, etc.

So pulling is not a Strategy ?

 

And AT who cannot facetank the whole map are not allowed to try such challenges ?

 

I would be happy to make YT vid of each runs but sadly My town dont have Fiber and it took me one night to upload a 30 min basic vid :x

 

As i said in another post, i run against myself at the end, so to be honnest i dont care if anyone cheat or whatever, this is a cool and friendly challenge, not an official contest for 1 billion Transcendant empyrean.

[The Tank Gods. . .]

3 hours ago, nihilii said:

I'm rebuilding my old SR/Rad Tanker for the no incarnates challenge. Going all out with procs, it merely hits 220-240 DPS against Pylons. With heavy end problems too, despite Conserve Power, a Theft of the Essence proc in Radiation Siphon, full "traditional" end slotting with Miracle, Numina, couple perf shifter procs...

 

220 DPS slashed to 48% against true +4s, that's 105 DPS. Level 54 archvillain regen is, what, 101 per second? Boo.

Maybe the true "Tank God" here needs to be an Ill/Rad controller or somesuch. 😛

or a Dom 🙂

[The Tank Gods. . .]

1 hour ago, Sarrate said:

Looks like the only reason you died is because you forgot to turn Evasion back on after stealthing. Even then, you lasted over 20 seconds at the cyst.

 

Hmm, maybe you should monitor AoE defense instead of Melee to catch that?

yep, but still, i made better run after : i will never have enough standing power for the hordes of Elite Boss of Mission 3 with this build (and i dont even talk about Romu / Req and the cpu)

 

Dark mélée is awesome, but for this very challenge, i feel the lack of soft control.

[The Tank Gods. . .]

33 minutes ago, Camel said:

Love seeing all the /EM Tanks! Haven’t played the game in two months and can’t wait to make another /EM Tank with the changes coming soon and to dust off my Fire/EM.

 

Cheers!

Dam when i saw you in this thread, i was like :"omg omg, we have a /EM run" 😄

 

I spent so many hours to study your guides when i wanted my old EM brute back :x

 

hope the page 6 will please you 🙂

[Incarnate Abilities - What are you using?]

2 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

How's that ITF goin? 🙂

[Incarnate Abilities - What are you using?]

i dont use incarnates, it s sooooo 2019

[The Tank Gods. . .]

I wanna thank all the awesome comunity of TF runners for the support and the amazing idea of running solo tf with max dif and no incarnates !

 

[Suggestion for TW on Scrappers.]

16 minutes ago, Infinitum said:

For the capable, TW is deadly and breaks all the rules by any standard - it doesnt matter how popular it is, thats what it does.

 

nO !!! mY tITaN wEaPOn iS pErFeCTly oKAy !!! 

 

Having 500/600 dps in a build think to be immortal is 

 

[Chris "Robotech_Master" Meadows seriously injured in hit-and-run]

My thoughts and prayers, too.

 

Fucking 2020.

[Game Balance & The Endgame]

23 hours ago, Jazz Ripper said:

We already have difficulty options. Why do some people feel entitled to being able to steamroll +4/8, not just on a team, but solo? And what reason is there to believe that those same people would not feel entitled to steamroll any newly introduced difficulty options?

 

Whatever limits the game can create, it will always have a way to be stronger : and we ll be there to enjoy it to break the rules.

 

Power is life, Moar power is sex.

 

23 hours ago, Jazz Ripper said:

Some players want challenges that cannot be steamrolled, no matter how well they build their characters. Other players insist that they must be able to steamroll everything. Both groups cannot be pleased simultaneously.

 

So just be like me, i just want people looking at me, cause i am the biggest bitch Diva in town baby !