Kistulot

Considering I can no more control what you ultimately do than you can me, it's a suggestion. It's not like I have any authority here.

This. This. This. The first part could be said so much more charitably, but it doesn't feel like that's getting us anything besides other threads unlocked and the concept that "maybe something didn't go right" and "would need to be examined." Nothing about how this situation has been handled, or the way things have gone around it, make me feel like those moderating particularly care about actual civility, but the appearance of it. People being quiet when they're fed up is not the same as people being quiet because the problem has been solved.

Then the response to that was completely ignored, which uh. If we're worrying about favoritism... ...I dunno!

Treating other members of the community like literal children is part of the problem.

Heck, I wouldn't argue. Even if this hasn't been the point of this thread, I would probably be pretty distracted making the Umbra Midnight TF. Just sayin'. Give me the tools to make an official TF and I'll be out of all of your hair! ...on a more serious note... This thread has not just been about that situation.

If you believe this is true, then I posit this: arguing with me as you have been, oft ignoring the actual words I say, is not going to change me, either.

I cannot express how much I appreciate your contributions in this thread.

If all of these posts haven't illuminated otherwise, then I don't know what to tell you, but I know that I will no longer be repeating myself in your direction if you are unwilling to reply to what I have actually stated.

No it doesn't. It proceeds from the assumption that they want us to enjoy the game. Who would put hours of their lives towards an experience for other people that they don't even want to be widely enjoyed? A job where you aren't paid? Working with spaghetti code or people on the internet who don't need to see you as a human being? If HC's GMs and Devs believe I have been bullying and guilting, instead of continuing to express why i believe their own rationale is contradictory and unsatisfactory, they are more than within their rights to censure me, to tell me, etc. Until they do, I believe it's fair to say you're putting words in their mouths. A response was given--not to me! The response was given in my frustration with how the forum itself was being handled. My actual responses to this situation have not actually been responded to, and I frankly don't see how anything I've done has harmed or will harm anyone. If you think otherwise, wouldn't reporting me be the right option? No one there is me. I'm happy for them that they were satisfied with the responses and did not care to continue. Did they have a threat sprout in parallel that wanted to crap on the idea but wasn't willing to put it in the same thread as the initial push? I can't say. Thank you for the empathy with my loss. However... Telling someone I disagree with them and give them reasons why and wish for a response is not abuse.

(I have over a hundred of these pictures but I'm failing at putting it all on imgur)

Honestly, y'know what? This? Proves my point in a beautiful way. I don't think that we could disagree with each other more about a lot of things... but we both think this sucks.

Grabbed some random screenshots from the vigil through out the day. In game people were coming up, saying they didn't know them, and raising a torch. People came and went from 12:30pm to 5am and were still there when I left. These are the people I posted this for.

Really?

I didn't.

I don't even know what to say. The way all of this has gone is leaving me massively disillusioned. When people try to show they care and you show them why you shouldn't... people stop trying.

Anything to make it so you arent draging a bunch of things would make this a lot nicer! Some respecs are to get out of a leveling build, and for example plenty of mine use the summer blockbuster ATO but the final build doesn't. Respec vs unslotters is obvious. This is a great idea, or if not, draws attention to something that's frustrated me, too!

Thank you for proving that I have not lost my mind. Felt like a tossup for a minute there. ...it also probably says more about me that Winter's Gift didn't occur to me but badges did. ...I'll show myself out.

I remember watching LFG/General/Pocket D Broadcast when every 20 minutes, there'd be the same copy pasted post. That? Was obnoxious. Things being limited to once an hour for people who've freshly logged on felt like a much sweeter spot. That said, I dunno if there's any way to make the perfect LFG channel for everyone? The Everlasting TFs channel for instance explicitly states no DFB. Spam for the one trial can get really annoying to some people, but I know other people really like it! My big question that comes to mind is: if we remove costume contests, club nights, MSRs, Hamidons, and the Labrynth from LFG... ...doesn't that just make lfg incomplete? I'm not saying the idea has no merit, it just feels like something the community has effectively already solved with chat channels 🙂

Seeing that Scary Sai's post is no longer there, and I find myself asking why.

While I appreciate the levity (and goddess knows I do) it maaaaay be counter productive 🙂

That? Fair. It is kind of difficult then to discuss the issues in said posts, but I'm betting that's a software thing...

...holy crap you do this and you make them base items and I'd pay for this.

They did not respond to my response, and I consider that unsatisfactory. They explained their points and I countered them. If you think that there's nothing more to be said then you're probably better off doing anything else with your time than posting to tell me I'm wasting my time when it's probably pretty clear that's not going to sway me.

My response was directly addressing the topic. I appreciate that the post was removed, but it does nothing to address the fact that, yes, that behavior is being encouraged when all that happens is the exact post is deleted and it's treated as though it's just a spot to sigh and go "c'mon, be better than this." Effectively that just means it's going to keep happening, and continue to disrupt conversations and lead to no one being happy. At some point, a choice has to be made about what kind of community you want to be moderating, and not making one is a choice. You did. I'd reiterate, but I think that would get me censured. Sincerely, I went into this expecting that, y'know, people would be pretty open minded to a situation like the one I brought up. Not really feeling great about that at the moment, not gonna lie.

A list of names is a list. Character models are not. Text in MMOs is notoriously overlooked. It's a pretty common joke that no one knows half the text for anything, and the joke is there because it holds some truth to it. Let's go with, say, putting the NPCs in Echo Plaza, a place that's largely unused besides as a dayjob spot or rare costume contests. Let's say 10% of the currently online population dies every year who actively has someone wanting a memorial, no questions asked. That feels a bit much, even with our pop only being 1,537, but let's go with it for the sake of argument. 153 NPCs on a single map ain't something this game struggles with. It wouldn't be a blur, and it would mean more than text. Alternatively, what's being done in the Echo maps, IE, Echo:Atlas, that couldn't fit an influx of NPCs? There are solutions to this that show the same respect for HC's fallen that was shown for Virtue's.