Kill Stealing

[Scow2]

It isn't saying "suck it up"? It isn't forcing others to "accept" their help? Interesting...

"Suck it up" is neither arguing, nor forcing someone to do something. It's an assertion of right-of-way. And no, it's not 'forcing' them to do anything, either. Being Helped is not an action, much less one that can be forced.

[THEDarkTyger]

A game that had the aforementioned glaring flaws and "a ton of people" not only willing to accept them but to blame other players for being the problem? Yeah.

Gotcha. Everyone who has different likes and dislikes from you is an idiot.

[Supranova]

In CoH I've always seen 2 things happening that if they happened to me on another mmo I would be a little annoyed but it never bothered me in this game and I actually always welcomed it:

1- People joining in to help with the opponents you are fighting (even if you don't need help) - in this game this always felt "right" to me. I mean we're all on the same side fighting crime... if some other hero sees me on the street fighting some bad guys it's just normal they'd join in. To me, this helps with immersion. I usually don't join in other people's fights unless it's a big bad dude, especially because I fly around and don't see other fights.

2- People inviting you to their team without even sending a pm first - again I find this positive for the sake of immersion. It's as if someone is in big need of help and asks for reinforcements; anyway if I'd find this bothers me I'd go to options and block all invites.

 

As I said, in all other mmorpgs I've played (and it's quite a handful) this too has happened to me and it bothered me there but never in CoH; it just feels different.

[n00baka]

The idea of KSing has never bothered me in this game either. I other MMOs I’ve played, it did. Mostly those feelings were due to how the rewards were handed out, and mostly because I play Solo for a long time before teaming up so I can be sure I have the basics down rather than burdening others in the game with my horrible plays. CoH has always felt like they hit the nail on the head with the KSing problem, in that it doesn’t exist.

 

I’d be happy to hear concerns about it though. If nothing else, we can all agree that some players feel it is a problem. I certainly don’t mind hearing their perspective as to why it’s a problem for them because if it’s something that makes they’re gameplay less enjoyable, maybe we can provide some help. Even if that help is only a reminder about communicating in this MMO.

[AlBQuirky]

It isn't saying "suck it up"? It isn't forcing others to "accept" their help? Interesting...

Telling someone to "suck it up" is not the same as telling them what actions they are allowed to take in the game. In this case, its telling them they won't get any sympathy coming here and complaining, especially with such hyperbole as they were using, about something that is irrelevant.

 

I wasn't aware there was a "smack player for helping" action you could take in the game which we're forcing this person not to use, or a "refuse help" button. If there isn't such an ability then its not telling them how to play because, to restate, they are not being told to do anything differently from what they are doing now. There is no action they can take to accept help, there is no action they can take to keep others away from their enemies in open world, there is no action they can take to retaliate for being "helped". The only thing they can do is address the person they feel wronged them and no one has told them not to do so.

It's exactly the same thing! You are telling players to let you play your way, not the way desire to while complaining and belittling others whop want to play differently from you. Do you not see the irony here?

 

Let me be clear, I don't rightly care one way or another. The "Pro KS" side seems to think that since it's NOT a problem to them, it doesn't matter to anyone. Then they're telling other to accept their own way of playing. That seems rather disingenuous to me. Doesn't it to you?

[AlBQuirky]

It isn't saying "suck it up"? It isn't forcing others to "accept" their help? Interesting...

"Suck it up" is neither arguing, nor forcing someone to do something. It's an assertion of right-of-way. And no, it's not 'forcing' them to do anything, either. Being Helped is not an action, much less one that can be forced.

Interesting... SO there IS a way one can STOP another player from helping? If I'm mistaken, let me know. Otherwise it sounds to me like I am being FORCED to allow you to play your way (helping). Am I wrong here? I guess I could just log off and not play at all, eh?

[jubakumbi]

It's exactly the same thing! You are telling players to let you play your way, not the way desire to while complaining and belittling others whop want to play differently from you. Do you not see the irony here?

 

Let me be clear, I don't rightly care one way or another. The "Pro KS" side seems to think that since it's NOT a problem to them, it doesn't matter to anyone. Then they're telling other to accept their own way of playing. That seems rather disingenuous to me. Doesn't it to you?

 

No, because KS _does not exist_ in this game.

All XP, drops and kill counts are shared.

 

The issue here is that a few players want to 'tag groups in the open world and finish them off alone' - to test, for fun, whatever.

In an open world game, you have to play with everyone, all tastes.

So everyone has to 'suck it up' in the open world.

 

There are no 'rules' around this beyond the code insuring there is no KS.

 

If someone wants to play 'by themselves in an open world', then IMO, they are the ones that need to change course, they are fighting the very nature of the game itself, not the heroes that swoop in to help them. You _can_ run your own server now.

 

This is old fashioned, OCD, mental issues level at this point - there is no KS, there are only cranky players that think we should all magically know thier preferences and abide by them, following thier unspoken rules that have no real meaning, which they become livid over with little to no warning.

 

The only problem here is a few players that do not have the capability to play MMOs without telling everyone else how to play.

 

Play how you like, but don't tell someone else how to have or not have fun.

 

If you really, really think KS exists, then run your own server and ease your own mind.

[_NOPE_]

[Dr. Gemini]

It isn't saying "suck it up"? It isn't forcing others to "accept" their help? Interesting...

Telling someone to "suck it up" is not the same as telling them what actions they are allowed to take in the game. In this case, its telling them they won't get any sympathy coming here and complaining, especially with such hyperbole as they were using, about something that is irrelevant.

 

I wasn't aware there was a "smack player for helping" action you could take in the game which we're forcing this person not to use, or a "refuse help" button. If there isn't such an ability then its not telling them how to play because, to restate, they are not being told to do anything differently from what they are doing now. There is no action they can take to accept help, there is no action they can take to keep others away from their enemies in open world, there is no action they can take to retaliate for being "helped". The only thing they can do is address the person they feel wronged them and no one has told them not to do so.

It's exactly the same thing! You are telling players to let you play your way, not the way desire to while complaining and belittling others whop want to play differently from you. Do you not see the irony here?

 

Let me be clear, I don't rightly care one way or another. The "Pro KS" side seems to think that since it's NOT a problem to them, it doesn't matter to anyone. Then they're telling other to accept their own way of playing. That seems rather disingenuous to me. Doesn't it to you?

 

What you're arguing is no different than saying if I refuse to team with someone I am forcing them to play my way, or if I am standing in Atlas Park and they don't like seeing heroes standing there when they fly/jump/run by I am forcing them to play my way. Further, if you actually read the comments here you'd see that most of what you're calling the "pro KS" side don't jump in and attack when someone else is on a spawn. Most have said they hang out and do nothing unless the other hero looks like he needs help. So, most of us are not even advocating the way we play ourselves.

 

I think your later post summed it up nicely. "Otherwise it sounds to me like I am being FORCED to allow you to play your way". So, if I hate people KSing I'm playing the exact same way whether or not I can force it to stop. I am not required to change my behavior in any way, shape, or form. On the other hand, if I think I'm helping and that it should be ok I am forced to play differently if its disallowed.

 

Now, had the Op, and the other person who jumped in on the Ops side, approached this with reason and respect, they would not have been treated as they were by some respondents. They were not derided for hating people "helping" them. They were derided for coming in with a "my opinion is the law of the universe and you will all bow to it" attitude. However, you seem to be addressing me personally when you say "complaining and belittling other who want to play differently". If so, then do quote where in this thread I did anything of the kind.

[Crystal Dragon]

Look, just because you don't team with someone, doesn't mean that you won't be getting XP from the kills they DO help you kill. The percentage isn't enough to hurt you overall, and honestly if you want to play by yourself there are Architect missions you can do that are solo-able. This complaint is a null point, you are playing an MMO, with millions of other players. Get. Over. It.