Psi/Kin is it bad? I have not seen anything on the forums..

[Word Bearer]

I am wanting to build a Psi/Kin, but I am curious to what you all think.  Also I may need a bit of help with the build as well.  Never been to sharp at them.  I think it would be a decent Corr.  Thoughts?  

[oedipus_tex]

There isn't a whole lot of synergy between Kin and Psi blast. Psi Blast's bonus is extra range and Kin wants to be up close and personal. Psi also doesn't provide very good mitigation, something Kinetics sorely lacks, and the reason Kinetics is so popular among Controllers, who have a whole primary devoted to making Kinetics safe to use.

 

That said, the Psi Blast nuke is PBAoE, so at least there is that. 

Edited December 11, 2019 by oedipus_tex

[Darkir]

4 hours ago, Word Bearer said:

I am wanting to build a Psi/Kin, but I am curious to what you all think.  Also I may need a bit of help with the build as well.  Never been to sharp at them.  I think it would be a decent Corr.  Thoughts?  

So, as has been said there isn't much synergy between psi and kjn, but there isn't much synergy with any primary really. A fire/kin kinda has synergy with the dots being buffed to the cap too, but is that really synergy? Is it more than the sum of it's parts? Maybe I guess, every other set is just going to bring whatever tools they have to kin and kin is going to bring damage. A 🔥/🏃 will always do the most dmg though.

 

That being said, a psi/kin will work just fine. Kin does well with any pairing, except knockdown heavy blast sets, but even those are manageable with IOs. You will be squishy without IO set bonuses so I always recommend taking combat jumping, maneuvers, and weave. Even in an IO build I typically take those actually. I'll try to get a leveling build and 50 build to you soon. In the meantime you can check out my Kintank thread on these forums for inspiration, there are a lot of iterations of builds in there.

[Word Bearer]

11 hours ago, Darkir said:

So, as has been said there isn't much synergy between psi and kjn, but there isn't much synergy with any primary really. A fire/kin kinda has synergy with the dots being buffed to the cap too, but is that really synergy? Is it more than the sum of it's parts? Maybe I guess, every other set is just going to bring whatever tools they have to kin and kin is going to bring damage. A 🔥/🏃 will always do the most dmg though.

 

That being said, a psi/kin will work just fine. Kin does well with any pairing, except knockdown heavy blast sets, but even those are manageable with IOs. You will be squishy without IO set bonuses so I always recommend taking combat jumping, maneuvers, and weave. Even in an IO build I typically take those actually. I'll try to get a leveling build and 50 build to you soon. In the meantime you can check out my Kintank thread on these forums for inspiration, there are a lot of iterations of builds in there.

I thank you!

[Darkir]

Ok, I'll post two 50 builds, this is the first one. Ranged/Melee defense version:

 

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Level 50 Science Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Psychic Blast
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Mental Blast -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(7), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 1: Transfusion -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(11), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(13), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(13), NmnCnv-Heal(15), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(15)
Level 2: Psionic Lance -- StnoftheM-Acc/Dmg(A), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx(3), StnoftheM-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg(3), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), StnoftheM-Dam%(5)
Level 4: Siphon Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 6: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(37)
Level 8: Boxing -- TchofDth-Acc/Dmg(A), TchofDth-Dmg/EndRdx(43), TchofDth-Dmg/Rchg(45), TchofDth-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), TchofDth-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), TchofDth-Dam%(46)
Level 10: Siphon Speed -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Will Domination -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(36), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 14: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(17), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(19), UnbGrd-EndRdx/Rchg(19)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(27), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(34), Ksm-ToHit+(34)
Level 18: Psionic Tornado -- SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMlcoft-Dmg/Rchg(21), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), SprMlcoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SprMlcoft-Rchg/Dmg%(31)
Level 20: Speed Boost -- BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(21)
Level 22: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(23), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(23), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(25), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(25), GssSynFr--Build%(27)
Level 24: Increase Density -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), UnbGrd-ResDam(40), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(40), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(40), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 26: Stealth -- LucoftheG-Def(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(29)
Level 28: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 30: Grant Invisibility -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 32: Psychic Wail -- SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(A), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(34)
Level 35: Transference -- PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(A)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Charged Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(42), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42), UnbGrd-Max HP%(42), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(43)
Level 44: Inertial Reduction -- BlsoftheZ-Travel(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(45)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Repel -- EndRdx-I(A), FrcFdb-Rechg%(50), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- TchofDth-Acc/Dmg(A), TchofDth-Dmg/EndRdx(17), TchofDth-Dmg/Rchg(46), TchofDth-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), TchofDth-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), TchofDth-Dam%(50)
Level 1: Quick Form 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Scourge 
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(39)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), PrfShf-EndMod(39), PrfShf-End%(39)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon 
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[Darkir]

This is a s/l/e def build with rune protection, it should also work as a leveling build.

 

Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.7
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Level 50 Science Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Psychic Blast
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Mental Blast -- SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg(A), SprScrBls-Dmg/Rchg(27), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29)
Level 1: Transfusion -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(11), Pnc-Heal(13), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 2: Psionic Lance -- StnoftheM-Acc/Dmg(A), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx(3), StnoftheM-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg(3), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), StnoftheM-Dam%(5)
Level 4: Siphon Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 6: Boxing -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(29), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(34), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 8: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(9), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(9), LucoftheG-EndRdx/Rchg(42), LucoftheG-Def(43), Ksm-ToHit+(43)
Level 10: Siphon Speed -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Will Domination -- SprScrBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprScrBls-Rchg/+End(39)
Level 14: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(15), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), UnbGrd-Max HP%(19), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(19), GldArm-3defTpProc(21)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(17), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(17), LucoftheG-EndRdx/Rchg(43), LucoftheG-Def(45), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(45)
Level 18: Psionic Tornado -- SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMlcoft-Dmg/Rchg(36), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), SprMlcoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprMlcoft-Rchg/Dmg%(39)
Level 20: Speed Boost -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 22: Arcane Bolt -- SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(A), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(25), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(27)
Level 24: Tactics -- HO:Cyto(A), HO:Cyto(25)
Level 26: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 28: Spirit Ward -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(50)
Level 30: Rune of Protection -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-EndRdx/Rchg(31), RctArm-ResDam(31), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(31), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 32: Psychic Wail -- Arm-Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Arm-Acc/Rchg(33), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Arm-Dam%(34), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(40)
Level 35: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(42), LucoftheG-EndRdx/Rchg(45), LucoftheG-Def(46), Rct-ResDam%(46)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Transference -- PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(A)
Level 44: Repel -- EndRdx-I(A), FrcFdb-Rechg%(50), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(50)
Level 47: Web Cocoon -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(48), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(48), BslGaz-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(48)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Quick Form 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Clr-EndRdx(A), Clr-RunSpd(46)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Clr-RunSpd(A), Clr-EndRdx(40)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Scourge 
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-RunSpd(A), Clr-Stlth(40)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(7), Mrc-Rcvry+(21)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), PrfShf-EndMod(7), PrfShf-End%(36)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon 
Level 0: Marshal 
Level 0: Invader 
Level 0: High Pain Threshold 
Level 0: Born In Battle 
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[City_of_Jedi]

In pairing with Kinetics, ideally you'd want to have a blast set with lots of AoE so that you can spread your buffed damage to as many enemies as possible.