Need help with Bots/Kin

[krj12]

I've been poking around this forum looking for information on this combination, and haven't really found much.  Is this considered a bad combination for some reason?

I've seen a few posts here and there indicating that bots is a low dps set and I thought /kin would help in that regard, not to mention being

good in groups since everyone loves a kin.   Or should I just reroll with a different secondary?

 

Also wondering if anyone has a good build they can share?   Looking for something with good survivability,  semi-decent dps,  good in groups and solo,  and useful in incarnate content.

[Meknomancer]

Any combo of powers can be made to work bots/kin is just awkward as the pets are best used from range and kin is best used in melee. I'll throw this on its probably better with repel in the build and at least 45% ranged but its somewhere to start:

 

Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.7.2.10
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BOTS KIN MACE: Level 50 Technology Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Robotics
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
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Level 1:    Battle Drones            SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx:50(5), SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef:50(7), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(7), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets):30(9), ExpStr-Dam%:20(9)
Level 1:    Transfusion            NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), NmnCnv-Heal:50(11), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(11), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg:50(13), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg:50(13), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx:50(15)
Level 2:    Pulse Rifle Burst        SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg:50(15), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(17), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(17), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg:50(19), FrcFdb-Rechg%:50(19)
Level 4:    Super Speed            BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx:50(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB:50(21)
Level 6:    Equip Robot            EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 8:    Hasten                RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(21)
Level 10:    Siphon Speed            TmpRdn-Acc/EndRdx:50(A), TmpRdn-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow:50(36)
Level 12:    Protector Bots            LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg:50(23), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx:50(23), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(25), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets):50(25), EdcoftheM-PetDef:40(27)
Level 14:    Boxing                Empty(A)
Level 16:    Increase Density        GldArm-3defTpProc:50(A)
Level 18:    Tough                UnbGrd-Max HP%:50(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(27), UnbGrd-ResDam:50(29), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx:50(29), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(31)
Level 20:    Speed Boost            BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx:50(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB:50(37), EndMod-I:50(37), Run-I:50(37)
Level 22:    Weave                LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), Rct-ResDam%:40(31), Rct-Def/EndRdx:50(31), Rct-Def:50(42)
Level 24:    Maneuvers            LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP:50(33), ShlWal-Def:50(39), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx:50(50)
Level 26:    Assault Bot            SvrRgh-PetResDam:50(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx:50(33), SprMarofS-Dmg:50(33), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg:50(34), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen:50(34), SlbAll-Build%:50(34)
Level 28:    Inertial Reduction        BlsoftheZ-Travel:50(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB:50(45)
Level 30:    Tactics                GssSynFr--Build%:50(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx:50(36), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx:50(36), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(46), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg:50(46), GssSynFr--ToHit:50(46)
Level 32:    Upgrade Robot            EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 35:    Transference            PreOptmz-EndMod/End/Rech:50(A), PreOptmz-EndMod/Acc/Rech:50(39), PreOptmz-EndMod/Acc/End:50(39), PreOptmz-EndMod/Rech:50(40), PreOptmz-EndMod/End:50(40), PreOptmz-Acc/Rech:50(40)
Level 38:    Fulcrum Shift            RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(42)
Level 41:    Scorpion Shield            RedFrt-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg:50(42), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg:50(43), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43), RedFrt-Def:50(43), RedFrt-EndRdx:50(45)
Level 44:    Power Boost            RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(45)
Level 47:    Web Envelope            GrvAnc-Hold%:50(A), GrvAnc-Immob/EndRdx:50(48), GrvAnc-Acc/Rchg:50(48), GrvAnc-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(48), GrvAnc-Immob/Rchg:50(50)
Level 49:    Combat Jumping            LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), Ksm-ToHit+:30(50)
Level 1:    Brawl                Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Dash        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Slide        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Quick        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Rush        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Surge        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Sprint                Empty(A)
Level 1:    Supremacy    
Level 2:    Rest                Empty(A)
Level 4:    Ninja Run    
Level 2:    Swift                Run-I:50(A)
Level 2:    Health                Mrc-Rcvry+:40(A), Pnc-Heal/+End:50(3), Prv-Absorb%:50(5)
Level 2:    Hurdle                Jump-I:50(A)
Level 2:    Stamina                PrfShf-End%:50(A), PrfShf-EndMod:50(3)
Level 1:    Battle Drone    
Level 12:    Protector Bot    
Level 26:    Assault Bot    
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[Meknomancer]

Forgot to turn on tier 2 pets their bub will take you to ranged def.

[krj12]

Thanks for the build.   The only thing that bothers me a bit is the lack of personal attacks...  only Pulse Rifle Burst.   I know some may prefer to just sit back and let the pets do all the work, but I

like to actively participate in the mayhem myself. :)

 

[Meknomancer]

I agree i try to fit pulse rifle burst, photon nade and web envelope in on bots mm's but the build was tight and i haven't played that combo and only spent about 2 minutes putting it in mids 😛

[tidge]

14 hours ago, krj12 said:

Thanks for the build.   The only thing that bothers me a bit is the lack of personal attacks...  only Pulse Rifle Burst.   I know some may prefer to just sit back and let the pets do all the work, but I

like to actively participate in the mayhem myself. 🙂

IMO, there is not a MM secondary that is going to overcome the damage scaling inherent to the Mastermind by adding +Damage. There is an additional issue that you will encounter (as a MM) if you try to be very active with primary attacks: Endurance consumption. I don't think that Transference is really going to help here.

 

I have found that I can get pretty good DPS from Robots by (1) Keeping enemies in AoE patches and (2) -Resistance debuffs.

 

My only experience with Bots is with Robots/Traps/Mace. My preferred build does include Primary & Mace attacks that include AoE with Knockdown; while the robots are also slotted for knockdown. Traps is also full of pseudopets for AoE control/debuffs. I can play very actively (at higher levels, the point at which my build has taken the attacks) but the Mastermind himself is doing very little damage; it's all about control (via knockdown) and -resistance debuffs.