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I have yet to find a Dom I could take all the way to 50. Gotten into the 40s before but always burned out on the characters. 

 

Maybe it is that failure which has me looking to do the unusual (and without having done the usual), but I have had fun playing Plant/Savage up to near 40 so far and the idea comes to lean more heavily into melee. However, there are the usual issues of crowd control and not being able to take a hit which argue strongly this is not a wise path.

 

 If things are sufficiently controlled and I avoid being exploded, willl the following...well, not be godly but at least largely survivable?

 

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11 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

Guess I will have to build it and test it...

 

Indeed thats the best way. However i checked your build and got some feedback for you.

 

  • At first sight you defense numbers looks great but those total numbers lie. Why? because Stealth. Stealth is tricky because you are in "hidden" mode yes... you will have 8.5% + def but once you step out from stealth al that % defense is gone. So, if you have your pet out you lose stealth inmediatly and with that your global defense went from 40% ish to 30%
  • You are almost with Perma Link Minds but lets say you cant keep it up or missed to push button and your defense went from 30% to 25%
  • Your attacks slotted with slow sets instead of damage sets... not DPS effective.
  • You pick some useless powers as Indomitable Will just for muling a LoTg same as Inflitration
  • Hasten just need 2 rech reduction that you can upgrade +5 when 50
  • Strangler your main ST hold tool is underslotted. You want that tool slotted properly. It will let you lock AV´s EB´s Bosses with just one click and domination ongoing
  • Carrion Creepers is advisable to frank-slot if you can. It pays off big time.
  • No travel power... well thats a constraint.

 

Also as an alternative i put together a build that you can test if you want. This build is focused on softcapp ranged defense with Perma Link running. If you pick Agility core you could have +2 defense extra for high end content. This build has 130% enhanced damage while yours just got 15%. 

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.7
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Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Savage Assault
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Strangler

  • (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
  • (3) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (3) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
  • (5) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold

Level 1: Maiming Slash

  • (A) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage
  • (5) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance
  • (7) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (7) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (50) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2: Roots

  • (A) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Accuracy/Control Duration
  • (13) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Accuracy/Control Duration/Endurance/Recharge
  • (43) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Accuracy/Control Duration/Endurance
  • (43) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Control Duration/Recharge
  • (43) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Recharge/Chance for +Damage
  • (46) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Endurance/Recharge

Level 4: Vicious Slash

  • (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
  • (9) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
  • (11) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
  • (11) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
  • (15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (15) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)

Level 6: Combat Jumping

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 8: Seeds of Confusion

  • (A) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused
  • (17) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused/Recharge
  • (17) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused/Recharge/Accuracy
  • (19) Coercive Persuasion  - Recharge/Accuracy
  • (19) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused/Endurance
  • (45) Coercive Persuasion  - Contagious Confusion

Level 10: Unkindness

  • (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
  • (21) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (21) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
  • (23) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
  • (23) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)

Level 12: Super Jump

  • (A) Empty

Level 14: Hasten

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (25) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 16: Spot Prey

  • (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
  • (48) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 18: Vines

  • (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
  • (31) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (31) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
  • (31) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold

Level 20: Rending Flurry

  • (A) Armageddon - Damage
  • (25) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
  • (27) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
  • (27) Armageddon - Recharge/Accuracy
  • (29) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance

Level 22: Carrion Creepers

  • (A) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
  • (33) Trap of the Hunter - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
  • (33) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage(Smashing)
  • (33) Bombardment - Chance for Fire Damage
  • (34) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)

Level 24: Blood Craze

  • (A) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance
  • (34) Numina's Convalesence - Endurance/Recharge
  • (34) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
  • (36) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
  • (36) Numina's Convalesence - Heal
  • (37) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 26: Fly Trap

  • (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (37) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
  • (37) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (39) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets
  • (45) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
  • (45) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge

Level 28: Call Hawk

  • (A) Apocalypse - Damage
  • (29) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
  • (39) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
  • (39) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
  • (40) Apocalypse - Recharge/Accuracy

Level 30: Feral Charge

  • (A) Hecatomb - Damage
  • (40) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
  • (42) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
  • (42) Hecatomb - Recharge/Accuracy
  • (42) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance

Level 32: Kick

  • (A) Empty

Level 35: Tough

  • (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
  • (36) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 38: Weave

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 41: Link Minds

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge
  • (46) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
  • (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 44: Mind Over Body

  • Hamidon Origin:Ribosome Exposure

Level 47: Psionic Tornado

  • (A) Explosive Strike - Damage/Knockback
  • (48) Explosive Strike - Accuracy/Knockback
  • (48) Explosive Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 49: Maneuvers

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 1: Domination 


Level 1: Brawl 

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6 minutes ago, serxiom said:

 

Indeed thats the best way. However i checked your build and got some feedback for you.

 

  • At first sight you defense numbers looks great but those total numbers lie. Why? because Stealth. Stealth is tricky because you are in "hidden" mode yes... you will have 8.5% + def but once you step out from stealth al that % defense is gone. So, if you have your pet out you lose stealth inmediatly and with that your global defense went from 40% ish to 30%
  • You are almost with Perma Link Minds but lets say you cant keep it up or missed to push button and your defense went from 30% to 25%
  • Your attacks slotted with slow sets instead of damage sets... not DPS effective.
  • You pick some useless powers as Indomitable Will just for muling a LoTg same as Inflitration
  • Hasten just need 2 rech reduction that you can upgrade +5 when 50
  • Strangler your main ST hold tool is underslotted. You want that tool slotted properly. It will let you lock AV´s EB´s Bosses with just one click and domination ongoing
  • Carrion Creepers is advisable to frank-slot if you can. It pays off big time.
  • No travel power... well thats a constraint.

 

  • Thanks. I  usually try to toggle off things which are not broadly true (Hasten when not perma, Force Feedback, etc.) but missed Stealth. That throw a real wrench in things.
  • Slotted the attacks less for the slows than for the +Global Recharge.
  • Indomintable Will was taken from worry about Mez, but I guess 123% Global Recharge brings one to perma-Dom and so Indomintable Will is not useful/necessary?
  • Infiltration was the travel power. 😛

Thanks for the build. It keeps the powers I really want except Infiltration*. 

 

If you don't mind my asking, but how viable is the notion of being capped at Range to be able to apply controls then once things are sufficiently locked down leaping into melee range?

 

 

*Its a theme thing. He's a (admittedly  urban) druid, so good at moving about the terrain unseen.

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35 minutes ago, Erratic1 said:

If you don't mind my asking, but how viable is the notion of being capped at Range to be able to apply controls then once things are sufficiently locked down leaping into melee range?

 

You got the mechanic idea correct. Your first attack/hold/stun will be always from range. So once you locked most of every NPC, can move safely to melee range and finish the job. 

 

Also you can consider a different mechanic which is softcapp S/L deffense. Ice Mastery and Black Scorpion provide a S/L shield for this. Lets say something like this:

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.7
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Savage Assault
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Strangler

  • (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
  • (3) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (3) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
  • (5) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold

Level 1: Maiming Slash

  • (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
  • (5) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
  • (7) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
  • (7) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2: Roots

  • (A) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Accuracy/Control Duration
  • (13) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Accuracy/Control Duration/Endurance/Recharge
  • (43) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Accuracy/Control Duration/Endurance
  • (43) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Control Duration/Recharge
  • (43) Superior Ascendency of the Dominator - Recharge/Chance for +Damage

Level 4: Vicious Slash

  • (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
  • (9) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
  • (11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
  • (11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 6: Arcane Bolt

  • (A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage
  • (9) Decimation - Damage/Endurance
  • (13) Decimation - Damage/Recharge
  • (15) Decimation - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
  • (15) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 8: Seeds of Confusion

  • (A) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused
  • (17) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused/Recharge
  • (17) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused/Recharge/Accuracy
  • (19) Coercive Persuasion  - Recharge/Accuracy
  • (19) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused/Endurance

Level 10: Unkindness

  • (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
  • (21) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
  • (21) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
  • (23) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
  • (23) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

Level 12: Mystic Flight

  • (A) Empty

Level 14: Hasten

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (25) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 16: Spot Prey

  • (A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
  • (45) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge

Level 18: Vines

  • (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
  • (31) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (31) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
  • (31) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold

Level 20: Rending Flurry

  • (A) Obliteration - Damage
  • (25) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (27) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
  • (27) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (29) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (46) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 22: Carrion Creepers

  • (A) Ragnarok - Damage
  • (33) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
  • (33) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
  • (33) Ragnarok - Recharge/Accuracy
  • (34) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown

Level 24: Blood Craze

  • (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
  • (34) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (34) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
  • (36) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
  • (36) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb
  • (37) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance

Level 26: Fly Trap

  • (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (37) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
  • (37) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (39) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets

Level 28: Call Hawk

  • (A) Apocalypse - Damage
  • (29) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
  • (39) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
  • (39) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
  • (40) Apocalypse - Recharge/Accuracy

Level 30: Feral Charge

  • (A) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage
  • (40) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance
  • (42) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (42) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (42) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime

Level 32: Kick

  • (A) Empty

Level 35: Tough

  • (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
  • (36) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 38: Weave

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (40) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage
  • (45) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)

Level 41: Sleet

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (50) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 44: Frozen Armor

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 47: Ice Storm

  • (A) Ice Mistral's Torment - Endurance/Slow
  • (48) Ice Mistral's Torment - Damage/Recharge
  • (48) Ice Mistral's Torment - Damage/Slow
  • (48) Ice Mistral's Torment - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (50) Ice Mistral's Torment - Chance for Cold Damage

Level 49: Rune of Protection

  • (A) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP

Level 1: Domination 


Level 1: Brawl 

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If you can spare time in the Test Server try both builds (or adapt them as your need) and check what suits best for your playstyle.

 

 

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Thanks to the ice storm that has totally disrupted my ability to provide any details, I can't say much more than: This looks like a fun exercise!

 

I wouldn't be quick to write off Infiltration. I have a character that is using it (plus a jet pack) as his only inter-zone travel power. It is slower than other options, but I like that I can slot it with a Kismet +ToHit (while leveling) in addition to Universal Travel and using it as a mule for Defense pieces. The Concealment pool also offers easy powers for LotG mules for Global Recharge that doesn't require a complete set. If you do a slow level, Infiltration (taken early) is a good place to add mules.

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Played around some more and arrived at two other versions making tradeoffs on ranged defense and recovery. Of the two I think I like the higher ranged defense one:

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.7
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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Street Druid: Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Plant Control
Secondary Power Set: Savage Assault
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Strangler -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(3), BslGaz-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(3), BslGaz-Slow%(5)
Level 1: Maiming Slash -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(7), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Mk'Bit-Dam%(9)
Level 2: Roots -- SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), SprAscoft-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(11), SprAscoft-EndRdx/Rchg(13), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(13), SprAscoft-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(15), SprAscoft-Rchg/+Dmg%(15)
Level 4: Vicious Slash -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(17), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Mk'Bit-Dam%(21)
Level 6: Infiltration -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 8: Seeds of Confusion -- CrcPrs-Conf(A), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(21), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(23), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(23), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(25), CrcPrs-Conf%(25)
Level 10: Unkindness -- IceMisTrmt-Dam/Rech(A), IceMisTrmt-Dam/Slow(27), IceMisTrmt-Acc/Dam/End(27), IceMisTrmt-Acc/Dam/End/Rech(29), IceMisTrmt-+ColdDmg(29)
Level 12: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 16: Spot Prey -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 18: Vines -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(31), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(31), BslGaz-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(31)
Level 20: Rending Flurry -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(33), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(33), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 22: Carrion Creepers -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(34), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(34), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(36), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36)
Level 24: Blood Craze -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(36), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(37), Prv-Heal/Rchg(37), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(37), Prv-Absorb%(39)
Level 26: Fly Trap -- ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(A), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(39), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(39), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(40), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(40)
Level 28: Call Hawk -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Dmg/Rchg(42), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Apc-Acc/Rchg(42), Apc-Dam%(43)
Level 30: Feral Charge -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(43), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(43), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45)
Level 32: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(45)
Level 35: Link Minds -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(46), Rct-Def/Rchg(46)
Level 38: Mind Over Body -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A)
Level 41: World of Confusion -- MlsIll-Acc/Rchg(A), MlsIll-EndRdx/Conf(46), MlsIll-Acc/EndRdx(48), MlsIll-Conf/Rng(48), MlsIll-Acc/Conf/Rchg(48), MlsIll-Dam%(50)
Level 44: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 47: Psionic Tornado -- Ann-Acc/Dmg(A), Ann-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Stealth -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Domination 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(11)
Level 1: Blood Frenzy 
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Keeping Psionic Tornado at this point is purely about theme. A druid has to have his tornado.

 

Double confusion powers seems a bit wasteful but Coercive Persuasion and Malaise's Illusion both give +Recharge and +Range Defense as their 5/6 slot bonuses. Just as a matter of efficiency it seems like a bad thing to pass up.

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