Carrion Creepers Help

[meyerwolf406]

just wondering best slotting for this power for I team mostly with some solo here and there.  don't play trollers much but really liking this one.  build is a Plant/Nature if that matters

[Uun]

If you're using SOs or common IOs, 1-2 acc, 2-3 dmg, 2 rech. If you're using IO sets, Ranged AoE Damage sets.

 

They're also a good candidate for %dmg procs, in particular from Ranged AoE sets. The optimal slotting is 2x acc/dmg/rech plus 3-4 procs.

[Carnifax]

25 minutes ago, Uun said:

If you're using SOs or common IOs, 1-2 acc, 2-3 dmg, 2 rech. If you're using IO sets, Ranged AoE Damage sets.

 

They're also a good candidate for %dmg procs, in particular from Ranged AoE sets. The optimal slotting is 2x acc/dmg/rech plus 3-4 procs.

Yep. Targeted AoE procs are very very good in Creepers. You want all 3. Final slot is a toss up between a Dam IO or Trap of the Hunter proc. Avoid the KB and Slow procs. They don't trigger enough to be worth it. 

[meyerwolf406]

So. this Proc setup in theory is better then a Full Ragnarok set?  with hasten recharge is at 1:35 with the Ragnarok.  I currently have no incarnate slots to effect anything.  the limited testing i did the procs shown only do 3's and 4's where the Ragnarok show 6's and 7's on same badies.  Do Proc damage show on screen? thought they did but now not sure lol

Edited January 20, 2024 by meyerwolf406

[Carnifax]

2 hours ago, meyerwolf406 said:

So. this Proc setup in theory is better then a Full Ragnarok set?  with hasten recharge is at 1:35 with the Ragnarok.  I currently have no incarnate slots to effect anything.  the limited testing i did the procs shown only do 3's and 4's where the Ragnarok show 6's and 7's on same badies.  Do Proc damage show on screen? thought they did but now not sure lol

 

I've run multiple runs through my online parser and Targetted AoE procs in there are the way to go. They dramatically increase the overall damage. 

 

Procs do show onscreen and in your Combat Log file (if you switch it on). Even better for "pets" like Carrion they're logged with the name of the parent pet which triggers them which makes it easier to pick out how effective they are. 

[meyerwolf406]

49 minutes ago, Carnifax said:

I've run multiple runs through my online parser and Targetted AoE procs in there are the way to go. They dramatically increase the overall damage. 

 

Procs do show onscreen and in your Combat Log file (if you switch it on). Even better for "pets" like Carrion they're logged with the name of the parent pet which triggers them which makes it easier to pick out how effective they are. 

 

Ill switch back to the procs and  see.  thanks for the info

 

[Tankshock]

On 1/20/2024 at 8:55 AM, Carnifax said:

Yep. Targeted AoE procs are very very good in Creepers. You want all 3. Final slot is a toss up between a Dam IO or Trap of the Hunter proc. Avoid the KB and Slow procs. They don't trigger enough to be worth it. 

How about the -Res proc in Annihilation?  Hard to test I suppose.

[tidge]

I went with this slotting for Carrion Creepers (on a Dominator)

 

 (A) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge: Level 50+5

 (*) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50+5

 (*) Bombardment - Chance of Damage (Fire)

 (*) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage (Energy)

 (*) Ice Mistral’s Torment - Chance of Damage (Ice)

 (*) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage (Lethal)

[Uun]

2 hours ago, tidge said:

I went with this slotting for Carrion Creepers (on a Dominator)

I've got Ragnarok: Acc/Dmg/Rech, Bombardment: Acc/Dmg/Rech and the Bombardment, Positron's Blast and Javelin Volley procs.

[tidge]

35 minutes ago, Uun said:

I've got Ragnarok: Acc/Dmg/Rech, Bombardment: Acc/Dmg/Rech and the Bombardment, Positron's Blast and Javelin Volley procs.

 

I felt that the inherent damage wasn't worth enhancing as much as the Mag 4 immobilize, especially with the "front-loaded" %damage, YMMV.

 

Purples can of course be boosted and keep their set bonuses "all the way down". The Bombardment 2-piece global set bonus (5% range, IIRC) is one of those things that looks good on paper, but in practice I end up caring less about it unless:

• I am playing a character that has multiple ranged attacks, and
• I can get those ranged attacks reasonably close to each other in range through my typical sort of slotting choices.

If the character doesn't have enough ranged attacks, I ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and just pick a different bonus (if I pick one at all).

 

If the character has attacks with all sorts of different ranges (usually because the is a mix of cones and single-target attacks) I don't like a global increase in range so much because it increases the difference between the ranges for the different attacks. I'll often slot cones with a range boost to try to even out the range-to-targets.

[Story Archer]

Would a full set of Superior Will of the Controller be a good option? It's got the one strong damage proc in it, and it'll get my recharge down a good bit...

 

I ask because I'm having difficulty finding somewhere else to put the set, and I really want the set bonuses it offers.

[Uun]

5 minutes ago, Story Archer said:

Would a full set of Superior Will of the Controller be a good option? It's got the one strong damage proc in it, and it'll get my recharge down a good bit...

 

I ask because I'm having difficulty finding somewhere else to put the set, and I really want the set bonuses it offers.

I don't think so. You're better off putting it in Seeds of Confusion or Vines.

[tidge]

For Plant? I put the 6xWill of the Controller in Vines. Most of the Controller AoE holds have ridiculously long recharge times. Carrion Creepers keeps %procing!

[Story Archer]

47 minutes ago, Uun said:

I don't think so. You're better off putting it in Seeds of Confusion or Vines.

 

I'm planning on a full set of Coercive Persuasion for Seeds, but I've taken Vines specifically for the WotC set, allowing me to proc Creepers.

 

Right now I've got it set up with a Ragnarok Acc/Dmg/Rch and five damage procs dealing 5 different damage types. Global Accuracy and Recharge are very high on the build, so that seems like it would be fine, yes?

[Carnifax]

10 hours ago, Story Archer said:

 

I'm planning on a full set of Coercive Persuasion for Seeds, but I've taken Vines specifically for the WotC set, allowing me to proc Creepers.

 

Right now I've got it set up with a Ragnarok Acc/Dmg/Rch and five damage procs dealing 5 different damage types. Global Accuracy and Recharge are very high on the build, so that seems like it would be fine, yes?

Yes but which 5 procs? Like I said above the Slow and KB ones probably aren't worth it overall in terms of how often they'll proc. 

 

Like I'd dump a Slow / KB proc in favour of a Acc/Dam/Recharge IO of some sort or even a 50+5 recharge. 

 

Edit : A "Might be fun to try" alternative : The purple Grav Anchor "Chance to Hold" proc. 

Edited Friday at 08:33 AM by Carnifax

[tidge]

6 hours ago, Carnifax said:

Edit : A "Might be fun to try" alternative : The purple Grav Anchor "Chance to Hold" proc. 

 

I posted my preference above. As for %mezz procs... I usually skip them, because the base durations are relatively short, and the magnitudes aren't great. Typically I find a better use for the slot, such as improvement in something like Accuracy/Endurance Cost/Recharge or an alternate %damage.

 

For a 5-piece Very Rare set bonus, I will usually consider them in place of the pure control piece, because of the ED margins.

 

The one %control piece I fluctuate on is the +2 Magnitude Hold... it crosses the threshold for controlling (most) bosses, but a fast recharging Hold can often do that, and would also have a poor proc rate.