The ability to disable Group Fly/Teleport needs to be made into a command.

[mistagoat]

1 minute ago, Rudra said:

That was "you" as in generic, not "you" as in you specifically. Check some of the GP thread OPs. At least one was from a person that in the OP admitted that (s)he/they do not use Group Fly all the time and doesn't need to, but decided to use it while on a team and when asked to stop, pitched a fit. And presented that fit as the OP. Point is, it happens. Players that by their own admission do not always use Group Fly or even rely on it, getting upset because they popped it on their team and got asked to turn it off, then got booted when they refused.

Gotcha, fair nuff'.

Yes I've seen those posts but I don't think there is much value in litigating individual conflicts or pointing fingers at other players regardless of what side they land on. A lack of action on the Devs part have created opportunities for these conflicts to arise. I'm certain that was not the intent, but it is the reality we are experiencing. I'd like to see the issue solved at a more inherent level that would prevent these conflicts before they ever begin. Maybe that comes in the form of altering the power, maybe it comes from adding Nuls functionality to numerous other NPCs so one is never locked out of making the change, maybe it's something nobody has ever envisioned yet but the current solution leave quite a bit to be desired.

[Luminara]

6 hours ago, mistagoat said:

Folks, stop directing you frustration at each other and direct it where it belongs, the Devs. By failing to act in any meaningful way on this topic the Devs are complicit if fostering a hostile, exclusionary game environment. They should be embarrassed by Nul as it stands as a monument to their greatest failure and they should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to go on for so long.

 

1. The HC team didn't create Group Fly.  Or Null.  Those were done a very long time ago.
2. They aren't unaware of the dislike some players have for the power.  They aren't ignoring anything.  Considering how much people are bitching about the last stop-gap solution (Null) to the issue, they're not inclined to take that approach.  They haven't found a way to fix it to everyone's satisfaction.  That's the whole of their current position and progress.
3. Calling for other players to be antagonistic toward the volunteer development team is not only monumentally stupid, it's also the most counter-productive way to get anything changed.  All you'd accomplish is making them not want to do anything for the game.  Don't be a dick to the people giving you free room and board.

Edited November 12 by GM Justice
Personal attack removed

[Rudra]

28 minutes ago, mistagoat said:

Gotcha, fair nuff'.

Yes I've seen those posts but I don't think there is much value in litigating individual conflicts or pointing fingers at other players regardless of what side they land on. A lack of action on the Devs part have created opportunities for these conflicts to arise. I'm certain that was not the intent, but it is the reality we are experiencing. I'd like to see the issue solved at a more inherent level that would prevent these conflicts before they ever begin. Maybe that comes in the form of altering the power, maybe it comes from adding Nuls functionality to numerous other NPCs so one is never locked out of making the change, maybe it's something nobody has ever envisioned yet but the current solution leave quite a bit to be desired.

You can't blame the devs for how the players act with various powers. The solution is simple. Go talk to Null the Gull and turn off the ability to be affected by Group Fly if you don't want to be affected by it, and stop using it when on a team when the team leader asks you to. If a player forgets to go talk to Null, like I did when I suddenly found myself floating in the Hive because I don't normally encounter others using the power, then if you can, go talk to Null. (I couldn't without risking losing my place at the Hami' raid.) If you find yourself on a team and the team leader asks you to turn off Group Fly, then suck it up and turn it off, or go find another team. What the team leader says goes while you are on that team leader's team.

 

Edited November 12 by Rudra
Edited to correct "and" to "when".

[mistagoat]

1 hour ago, Luminara said:

 

1. The HC team didn't create Group Fly.  Or Null.  Those were done a very long time ago. They didn't but they've had 5+ years to work on it.
2. They aren't unaware of the dislike some players have for the power.  They aren't ignoring anything.  Considering how much people are bitching about the last stop-gap solution (Null) to the issue, they're not inclined to take that approach.  They haven't found a way to fix it to everyone's satisfaction.  That's the whole of their current position and progress. Which is precisely why they should spending time on this.
3. Calling for other players to be antagonistic toward the volunteer development team is not only monumentally stupid, it's also the most counter-productive way to get anything changed.  All you'd accomplish is making them not want to do anything for the game.  Don't be a dick to the people giving you free room and board. Being volunteer does not make one immune to criticism. Your being dramatic, I didn't call for any pitchforks but it is the Devs who have the power to do something here so directing your anger/frustration/disappointment/whatever at other players is pointless.

 

Edited November 12 by GM Justice
Personal attack removed

[Excraft]

19 hours ago, Rudra said:

While I can't speak for the current devs, they have stated they intend to maintain what the Live devs had going as much as possible. So that would mean Null the Gull's ability to grant characters the ability to not be affected by Group Fly is not likely to be expanded to other sources such as trainers.

 

"Because the live devs didn't do it" shouldn't be a catch all excuse against QoL improvements.  The live devs aren't working on the game anymore.  A lot of the work the HC people have done is an improvement upon the original, some of it much needed QoL improvements.  I really don't see the harm in adding some of the Null options to trainers or the P2W vendor or both.

[Rudra]

5 minutes ago, Excraft said:

 

"Because the live devs didn't do it" shouldn't be a catch all excuse against QoL improvements.  The live devs aren't working on the game anymore.  A lot of the work the HC people have done is an improvement upon the original, some of it much needed QoL improvements.  I really don't see the harm in adding some of the Null options to trainers or the P2W vendor or both.

You seem to be confused about my stance. So for clarification:

 

19 hours ago, Rudra said:

(I was in favor of propagation.

 

That does not change that we are not likely ever going to see Null the Gull's abilities propagated to others.

[Excraft]

8 minutes ago, Rudra said:

You seem to be confused about my stance.

 

You seem to be confused that I'm accusing you of something or suggesting your stance on the issue one way or the other.  For clarification, I'm not.  I was addressing the excuse that "the live devs didn't do it" shouldn't be used a catch all for not making improvements.  The live devs didn't do a lot of things the HC people have done and that hasn't stopped them before.  That isn't suggesting this is your position on this.

[Super Atom]

Well i think the Homecoming team WILL do it because they do stuff all the time. my source? trust me bro

[Owl Girl]

4 hours ago, mistagoat said:

Calling out a well known failing, the source of which predates their tenure, doesn't feel disrespectful to me. I do appreciate everything the Devs have done for the game but that doesn't make it okay to ignore the pain points people are experiencing as evidenced by the never ending stream of GF posts and stories of being kicked off a team for using it. Aren't we supposed to "Be excellent to each other"? Kicking, blocking and ignoring seems antithetical to that notion.

well, You did explicitly say that people should direct their frustration at unpaid volunteers and strongly implied that they deserve the blame for players mad at themselves for failing to utilize the resources placed for this exact problem... B.E.T.E.E prolly is intended to also apply to our treatment of the people running this whole show, yes??