SS/Inv Tanker Question

[Dumluk Derptroll]

Hi guys!

 

I been trying to rebuild an older toon, Inv/SS tanker which used to be close to Def 30 -45 / Res 90's across the board. Was there some dramatic change to tankers?

Not even coming close anymore. Any ideas or assist would be appreciated.

Edited Friday at 11:06 AM by Dumluk Derptroll

[MonteCarla]

I doubt you could get anywhere near 90% to anything except Smashing/Lethal with Invulnerability.
I did a big numerical breakdown on Resist sets here - Inv tankers get 31.6% Resist to Fire/Cold/Energy/Neg/Psi/Toxic just by slotting their powers, so its a pretty steep hill to climb to 90% from there.
 

 

[Dumluk Derptroll]

1 hour ago, MonteCarla said:

I doubt you could get anywhere near 90% to anything except Smashing/Lethal with Invulnerability.
I did a big numerical breakdown on Resist sets here - Inv tankers get 31.6% Resist to Fire/Cold/Energy/Neg/Psi/Toxic just by slotting their powers, so its a pretty steep hill to climb to 90% from there.

Are those numbers current? That was posted July 15, 2023

[Psyonico]

Nothing has changed with Invulnerability in a long time, so those numbers are probably right.

 

That being said, you can build for high Def/Res for S/L/E/N/F/C, you're just not going to hit both def soft cap and resist hard cap.

[Warshades]

This is a quick adjustment from a different invuln build so it's not optimized, but does reach high resist/def values with just 1 foe in range of Invincibility (image below) and 1 stack of SMoT proc. Add barrier core destiny which at minimum provides 5% def/resist and you're at soft cap to s/l/e/n/f/c and hard cap resist to s/l/e/n/tox, close to cap on f/c/psi.

 

Tanker (Invulnerability - Super Strength)4.mbd

[Dumluk Derptroll]

10 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

Nothing has changed with Invulnerability in a long time, so those numbers are probably right.

 

That being said, you can build for high Def/Res for S/L/E/N/F/C, you're just not going to hit both def soft cap and resist hard cap.

4 Years ago Brigg came close. Same build doesn't even come close to these stats. 

[Warshades]

4 minutes ago, Dumluk Derptroll said:

4 Years ago Brigg came close. Same build doesn't even come close to these stats. 

 

If you actually look at his build after importing and scroll down on the powers, he's got the support radial hybrid incarnate power toggled on which is skewing the defense values that you're seeing. Since it's a 2 minutes on and 2 minutes off on cooldown, you want to build for those values without relying on the hybrid incarnate since it's not permanent. 

[Dumluk Derptroll]

1 hour ago, Warshades said:

 

If you actually look at his build after importing and scroll down on the powers, he's got the support radial hybrid incarnate power toggled on which is skewing the defense values that you're seeing. Since it's a 2 minutes on and 2 minutes off on cooldown, you want to build for those values without relying on the hybrid incarnate since it's not permanent. 

Better.

[MonteCarla]

10 hours ago, Dumluk Derptroll said:

Are those numbers current? That was posted July 15, 2023

 

Yep.

For F/C/E/N/Toxic/Psi you get 10% Resistance from the passives eg Resist Energies, Resist Elements, and 10% Resist from Unyielding.

That's 20%, slot it, multiply by 1.58 and you get 31.6%

 

Confirmed on both cod.uberguy.net and my current SS/Inv Tanker that I'm levelling up.

 

Invulnerability's always been "max your S/L resists, small resists vs everything else, and you can max all your typed defences when you're in a pack via Invincibility."
The only real change over time is that they've closed the Psi hole it used to have a little bit.

It works because a lot of the heavy hits in the game are Smashing or Lethal.

[Biff Pow]

You can get a lot of resist and defense bonuses from Invention Sets, and then with the Might of the Tanker proc get up near 90% resistance to everything. But honestly, once you're up to the 70s or so in resists (plus capped S/L), you're already taking so much less damage that 90% is overkill.

 

Mids numbers can be misleading, or use really weird builds that aren't fun to play, I prefer to go by in game stats. Here's my Inv/SS in a fairly basic situation: two enemies in Invincibility range and one stack of Might of the Tanker.

 

[MonteCarla]

Wow! I'm impressed.

 

How are you doing that, Biff?

Shield Wall is +5% to everything, Reactive Defences is +3% to everything at full health and 7% from Might of the Tanker puts you up to... 46% or so. Add in 5% if you're using SG base buffs?

And the rest is like +30% to each pair of types (F/C, E/N, Tox/Psi) from set bonuses? 

Edited Sunday at 02:36 AM by MonteCarla

[Biff Pow]

11 hours ago, MonteCarla said:

And the rest is like +30% to each pair of types (F/C, E/N, Tox/Psi) from set bonuses? 

 

Basically, yes. Fire/Cold isn't hard, pretty much every purple set gives 6% resists, some also give Psi/Toxic. Shield Wall and Unbreakable Guards for E/N, and the Tanker sets for everything.

[Captain Citadel]

Best I can do is a "flying brick" build with no ranged attacks and no flashy powers from pools. It doesn't have 90% resistance to everything, but with one stack of the ATO +Res buff, it's got 70% minimum resistance to all damage types and 90% S/L and Psionic resistance, with 46% melee defense and pretty decent typed defenses except for Toxic/Psionic. Most things won't hit you, and anything that does hit you will be shrugged off. You may not look as unkillable as you'd like to be on paper, but when you're actually in the game fighting, you will feel like a god.

There's no Hasten to micromanage, and you can still get a respectable amount of time with double-stacked Rage. The reason for my "purist" approach to the attack powers is that my character concept is basically "Superman if he were less OP." No heat vision, no super breath/freeze breath, just flying and punching things. If Hurl worked while flying the same way Foot Stomp and Mighty Judgement do, I'd probably drop Cross Punch for it, but as that's unlikely to ever change, I think this is as optimized as my build can get without breaking concept. I kind of hand-waved the Ageless Incarnate power as not being a literal power but more like an "inspiring aura" thing. I usually save it for when the Rage crash hits and takes a bite out of my endurance bar. It's your "I can do this all day" button, and refills your entire party's endurance bars too

I do kinda hate Rage though, and am constantly contemplating deleting it, but there's probably not much I could replace it with other than Physical Perfection. The crash is just awful, it goes from "Rage" to "Impotent Nerd Rage" for 10 seconds. The only button I can push at that point is Mighty Judgement, but the CDs don't line up, so it drifts.

Captain Citadel v2.3.5.mbd

[PLVRIZR]

On 7/13/2025 at 4:11 PM, Captain Citadel said:

The crash is just awful, it goes from "Rage" to "Impotent Nerd Rage" for 10 seconds. The only button I can push at that point is Mighty Judgement, but the CDs don't line up, so it drifts.

 

Procs are unaffected by Rage crash, so if you have a damage proc in Footstomp (or any other melee attacks), you still have a chance at that damage.  Other procs still work, like the tanker ATO1 and ATO2 and my Inv/SS build includes a full set of Blistering Colds in KB, so the hold proc still works and the Entombed absorb proc in Char.  So you've still got options when Rage crashes (including prestige attacks like Sands of Mu).

 

I should also add that you can taunt and position/group enemies, during the crash.   That's how I handle it...and the ten seconds pass very quickly, IMHO.

Edited 4 hours ago by PLVRIZR
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