Gravitus

For the record , if I was using a power Or tactic no one could do anything about and it was causing the team to lose or tons of frustration , I’d play ball. Frustration usually meaning making us almost lose or a colossal slow down . But this isn’t the case. People can turn off group fly and saying you or others are ignorant on how to Turn it off isnt a pass to ridicule someone else for using it. (especially when it benefits their build on a map that’s got no roof) This is literally a scenario where both parties can have it their way . Back on live I would have been more selective just because people didn’t have an option. As far as KB, while it may technically slow things down I think it’s a fun mechanic. And it doesn’t slow things down so much that anyone needs to cry. This game is still easy to steamroll regardless. Someone said earlier that the ability to herd mobs is just taking advantage of poor/ancient AI and at that point you’re playing for time v profit. It can definitely be argued that’s not how everyone wants to play. Unless the whole team is constantly wiping, there is no real reason to knock people who use KB.

I’m talking about with respect to group fly. Not KB

That’s completely fine , however I think we can have a conversation about which party is actually being unreasonable .

If it were several missions long, sure. But it was a BAF trial. 1 mission long.

THIS. The thing about my situation is both parties can have it their way. The control freaks are without excuse. The logic is infallible. The people crying about not knowing what null the gull is don’t have my sympathy. If you’re ignorant of anything’s existence in this game, it’s your fault . You have the internet and these forums . You are bankrupt of excuses . This is Further cemented by the fact that out of 24 people. Only 3 didn’t have it turned off.

Those are what most people would consider niche reasons for toggling it on and off . You sure wouldN’t be toggling Group Fly on/off with any degree of frequency. Now if people only had a fast way to Travel to PD. Oh wait ....

Except the final set bonus in all of the good IOS ATOs seems too good to skip out on. Pet auras etc.

Tier 1s actually add a significant amount of DPS. They also serve as extra targets for aggro. I think turning them off is a mistake. However I would support is having null add a KD option.

So what do bots users do? All of the bots have inherent KB. Just not use that AT?

It might as well be the same thing . I’m not aware of people wanting group fly sometimes. Which is why Null has that feature if you think about it. It’s the devs answer to people keeping group fly to themselves . Figures there will always be entitled folks telling others how to play despite the devs best efforts. Fortunately it seems that people with your view are in the minority and rightfully so.

Precisely , imagine telling someone to turn off their TP Or kinetics powers because you’re a moron .

Only the leader was on my side about it as most of the folks. If the leader asked me to Remove it, I’d recognize I have a choice to make. More than likely I’d deactivate it because it’s not worth getting kicked.

Like I said , if it was a power you could do nothing about id understand . Back on live I never used it for that reason. So I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make . if people have made it to incarnate trials and don’t know what null is, I have no sympathy. Their ignorance isn’t an excuse to act like an ass.

The fact that null exists is really the only reason I need. If it was a power that you could literally do nothing about Id understand but it isn’t . Forgetting to go to null isn’t my problem . but also I have every right to give my build every conceivable advantage, which group fly objectively does for bots. Any accommodations I may make would simply be an optional courtesy and not deserving of ridicule if I opt out. For the record most people took my side on the BAF , but the fact we had to set aside 5 minutes in the group to talk about it was annoying. Go figure none of the people bitching about it where MM either . I hope people can read this and maybe not attempt to ridicule the next person who uses group fly needlessly.

So I was in a BAF today and 2 or 3 people were bitching about my group fly and asked me to turn it off. I refused . #1 : Im a bots MM. Bots are pure range. Taking them out of melee range is a wise decision on my part. #2 At the end game content I already have enough issue with my tier 1 pets getting killed too easily . So yeah, not going to put them needlessly in Melee range; especially when they’re ranged pets. #3 If you don’t like being effected by group fly you can turn it off via null the gull. Thats why he exists . Quality of life enhancements . #4 when robots fly they get a thruster animation and it just looks and feels awesome . Case and point: Im not going to alter the way I play because you’re bad at this game or too lazy to go to null. #endrant

At first glance they seem outright inferior to ATOs , set IOS and the like and yet people want them . I’m clearly overlooking something here . Can anyone school me on why they are desired ? Thanks .

I did that and they told me there was nothing they could do. Such BS

There is a major exception ATO’s (Archetype Origin Ench) it’s much more cost effective to buy the regular attuned and use a catalyst to make it superior .

Which is the point. Some people care about the feeling of immersion. While I’m not quick to jump on board on some of the methods suggested, CoX feels a lot less immersive than it once did and there are people Whom actually Do care about that aspect of a game .

That’s easily fixable , just do what they do in the praetorian AH. It’s a no power zone .

It doesn’t per se, it’s a visual atmospheric thing, not a social one.

I get what you’re saying but to be fair I think you strawmanned his argument. The concern was that with every function “on demand” it essentially boils down to “what’s the point in having all of these lifeless building structures devoid of actual people?” With everyone having all of these on demand features it sort of takes away from the atmosphere of an active community in a visual sense. Him actually choosing to travel doesn’t address the issue he raised. The game does feel more isolated not having players spread out on the maps. I do think however there is a way to fix this by incentivizing patrols instead of taking people’s toys away. I will agree you should have to earn the crafting table like we had to on live.

They’re not wrong though. It is frustrating reading questions that are are already answered . Not to mention it potentially eats at the limited time these volunteers have to actually address good questions . The frustration is warranted. Your question wasn’t too bad compared to some of the others posted. It was but the straw that probably broke the camels back.

Seems there isn’t a way to ever get the temp powers from the PVP missions if you out level them. Can we please make these missions accessible regardless of level? The zone already exemps you any how. or have the temp powers added on P2W?

would I be able to aquire said stealth power by teaming with someone who didn't outlevel it?