Incursion

I appreciate your comment, i'm convinced that inherent is a poor idea, it just bothers me that the it's literally the best power in an entire pool that benefits literally every other power on a timer in the game. So if anything i'm pointing out how grossly overpowered it is compared to most other pool selections. The thing is, if you remove the power, it will be ED/REGEN nerf all over again. Instead, i just think it be nice to have a hasten power in every travel pool that can be selected once (so you can't stack it) and players can experiment in those other travel pools. That's really the crux of it in regards to hasten. This thread also had some thoughts about EM, Epic pools for melee, and specifically shadow meld animation as i've been playing with it lately. The post was sort of off the cuff in you will, in regards to hasten i should have thought it through a bit more before posting. i didn't think it was going to turn into this.

what? who said i don't want more than 4 pools? I suggested in the OP making hasten inherent, having the recharge built in passively, or not tethered to the travel power super speed. The reasoning is simple: - Many players take speed just for hasten - Hasten is a very powerful tool, a must take for many players in my opinion - Is the only good power in that pool, when there is a lot of inherent/free + speed in the game without purchase of a temp power - Would love to mix hasten with other travel powers as it takes up an entire pool selection i conceded that that inherent or passive is probably not a good idea based on some of the actual constructive comments.

why is it so hard to understand that someone would want hasten, but not want to waste a pool selection to have it because none of the other powers in the pool appeal to them. literally the whole pool is junk, especially now that experimentation is a choice and gives you superspeed plus some. I can't remember the last time i saw a character running around with whirlwind..

i've never made a character with only two pool powers....ever.

AT THE COST OF AN ENTIRE POOL SELECTION

Obviously can't have an opinion without being talked down to around here.

I'd like to have a hasten or hasten equivalent outside the speed pool yes. You think it's incredibly niche, i disagree. Look at nearly every build posted in the AT forums and compare those with and without hasten. I'm not asking for "everything" as you put it. I just want hasten and fly, or hasten and Superjump, another option that Hasten + speed because Hasten is simply that good of a power. You guys are acting like unthering it to the travel power would be so game-breaking. yeah i get a jetpack for 30 minutes at at time, but i can't slot it. Also still very little if any thoughts on the other powers i brought up. Clearly posting here was a mistake.

maybe there are, it was just an example i remember from mine back on live. Can all primary/secondary dominator combos achieve that much recharge without hasten? I honestly don't know. I've been maining scrappers the last couple months as i primarily played ranged AT's back on live. My builds have been going for a healthy amount of recharge to keep heal powers and T9's up often.

It's obstructive if i dont want to lose a pool and feel forced to take superspeed as a travel. yes it's choice, but it's a choice i'm tired of making on many of the powersets. I would just like the power untethered to superspeed or have an equivalent power offered in the other travel pools. It's just a suggestion, i think people would think it's a cool feature. The non hasten people can continue to not use it, and for those like me who put it on almost every build it gives them a little more travel flexibility. That's really all im after in regards to hasten.

That's your opinion and depends on what your intentions are with the build. If you are a dominator trying to make Domination perma, you can't do that without hasten. It may not be how you build a character, but if I were rolling a dominator, i would take hasten.

at the cost of a pool selection - i wasn't specific enough

Ok guys, sorry for my part in the back and forth. in regards to hasten. I just wish it could be had without superspeed, that’s really all. While having it inherent for my play style would make me really happy, I understand the balance concerns. In my head it feels like everyone uses it, maybe I’m wrong. what about epic/patrons pools for melee. That AOE comes at a high price, for some sets higher than others. Could that be shuffled around? I feel like immobilize or a hold power for a scrapper/tank is kind of a burner choice. It’s probably what also makes moonbeam/shadowmeld a popular choice for non farmers as its a 2 power pick to get two great powers and a luck of the gambler slot. EM - I want to like that cone. Right now I ditched it for whirling hands as my aoe is pretty bad. Room for love there?

If it was my reply after, I apologize. I think I was mid typing when he posted.

I think that would be awesome, and it is a very powerful choice, certainly the most powerful tier one choice. That’s the only reason I thought maybe not having it tied to speed would keep it a decision but allow more versatility as far as actual travel choice outside of temp powers. Inherent or built in clearly is too much power for some people so I’ll concede that

Speed in general is a little meh I guess. Hopefully with the new changes to base levels that will change especially being able to now stack athletic run or ninja speed to the power. Nobody takes flurry or whirlwind, I haven’t tried the other power yet to analyze it. I guess I’m more of a +recharge guy across the board and just want to be able to fill my min/max potential while flying without a jet pack.

Fair but would you be opposed to not having it tied to speed. What about the generic pool idea

I’ve had a tough time making ice work well, I made the same scrapper with /rad and with iOS and set bonuses the /rad is way easier to play, and it has less recharge. Hasten as a pool choice feels required for both with my playstyle but I couldnt imagine not having it on the ice. For me it’s too dependent on recharging bastion and the other 2 powers. The defensive numbers on /ice aren’t that high, even when combined with maneuvers, CJ, weave. It’s a tough nut but I like the character and there aren’t many out there. I make it work and I’m happy with it. I just wish I could use the hasten choice as a precursor to other powers in the travel pools to get other useful powers. Ive built this character in mids with EA and EA is definitely way higher on the defensive end. Anyway, just trying to address a few things here. Hasten isn’t the only issue I’m working with

It was dismissive, and not constructive. Comments like that pretty much doom threads.

I appreciate your response, and I find a lot of the sets I’ve been trying lately have had too much benefit to bypass it. Other than the cookie cutter fire brute I decided on an em/ice scrapper. It’s a secondary I’ve found a little lacking. I really like ice bastion but when it’s down it’s tough as hoarfrost has long recharge. I added shadow meld and went down the new pool for unleashed potential. If it weren’t for those plus D clicks I’d have a really hard time. I can understand the argument of hasten remaining a have or have not choice, I just wish it weren’t tied to superspeed.

Your joke was an attack, and I didn't appreciate or find it amusing. I’ve been back for a few months, don’t see the topic in the first few pages of the suggestion forums, was fresh in my head after just reading the beta changes. This is your 3rd or 4th response and you still haven’t specifically addressed anything I said, so I kindly ask you troll elsewhere.

For the record I’d rather see a change in shadow meld as I use it on a bunch of characters, but I think that’s a more limited suggestion.

Yeah I know it’s an old argument but I don’t recall anyone suggesting making it an option for every travel pool, which keeps it as a choice to have or not have, and if someone did before me, I applaud them for thinking of it first. Other than a Thursday night Hami raid there’s more people in atlas AE any given night than anywhere else in the game. Many people play a certain way, doesn’t make it wrong, wrong or indifferent, just shows the people in game play a lot more like me than the people posting here. I respect their suggestions, no reason they can’t act the same way. Appreciate your post.

That’s fine but one of the suggestions is keeping it as choice pick but opening to other travel pools. Where is the harm? And while not needed for those sets I’ll bet many people still add it.

You gave nothing of substance to my thread...your trolling was clear. Here we go again! Was your first response. Seriously, why not just be helpful and explain why you disagree or just move along. You’re acting like a stooge. If your intention to dissuade future suggestions by me or anyone else who plays this game, you’re doing a great job.

They do matter to me, hasten seems to be the topic triggering you stooges. You could have simply moved along and ignored the suggestion instead of making a point to troll me.