Incursion

makes sense to me. majority of the players here have played the game before and understand basic mechanics. Some may not be in tune with every nuance but it doesnt take more than couple hours to get the hang of something new.

If we had access to statistics i think it would help develop more thought out changes and also support/not support sides of a debate.

How does one close a forum/game account. I only see options to change password.

To further my point - I still fail to see how opening up additional pools is game breaking since io’s and incarnates were introduced. Additional pool selections under the current system will not break anything fundamentally and is probably the most simple of solutions regarding pools.it was destined to have limits but when you move the goal posts and add more pools, I think it’s a logical step to increase the amount of accessible pools.

my main point above is the fun factor, i won't get into the merits of the other thread here. Regarding opening the pools, how is that fundementally changing anything. If that were the case it was fundamentally changed experimentation, sorcery and force of willl were added. You have 3 more choices but are still locked in at 4.

Seems most of the no’s don’t want any changes to the game. I feel like we are losing sight of the fun aspect of building and using different powers. There is a lot of fluff in the power pools, it’s absurd to me that the so many powers are considering skippable or just used as path to get something else. I know Thats subject to opinion/interpretation but if it weren’t a thing we wouldn’t all be here talking about it. To me it’s lame. Because of the current system of give up a power choice to progress the pool it should at the very least allow more than 4. Also there are now more total pools available. I fail to see how that could be game breaking and if it makes some players happy, it certainly won’t be at the detriment of someone else’s build.

I Don’t understand the thematic argument, if any of us were a lowly hellion and a super powered hero/villain even looked at us the wrong way we’d all be heading for the hills. Some powers just aren’t fun to use. Mobs scattering, Absurd knockback are all complained about in the team setting, which is how this game was always balanced around. It’s an underused set that was overcorrected in the old days.

I bought 10 about 3 days ago, 20 a pop

The biggest thing for me on scrappers/stalkers tanks is that one of the powers before the AOE is such an obvious token pick. I'm not a fan of gated access but do understand it when it comes down to really strong pool powers (rune, unleashed potential etc). But for a decent AOE attack when Brutes don't have the same issue? Brutes are very impressive characters, i would never ask that they be gated like the rest of the melee classes, i feel like they set the bar with that choice. I love EM too, single target specialist, but both the cone and the AOE are just so underwhelming, i just can't drop either or and pick up and AOE elsewhere without token picks. Adds to my frustration above but thank you for responding to the rest of the OP and not just hasten.

i like this idea, if anything you'll hear less.... lvl 1 looking to sit. At least if they are level 25 they can grab some powers and contribute. Where there's a will there's a way.

hasten is unique, that's why it shouldn't be tied to one pool. Lets face it, the only reason it's still there is because the rest of the pool is garbage. +recharge on every power is not on par with any other pre-cursor power. The problem is, it's so engrained into peoples thinking on builds (guilty as charged) moving that to tier 3 or higher would piss off a lot of people. There are a lot of parallels to stamina back in the day. If we were allowed 5 pools, what's the worse that can happen.. someone skips hasten and picks up stealth, manuevers, weave, and either CJ/hover for Luck of the gambler mules at the cost of hasten, or they get get one more mule power built in. So okay the min maxers won't slot vengeance or gran invisibilty or another defense of power for +recharge... That's hardly game-breaking. If you make it passive, min-maxers get 1 more power choice which they'll have maybe 1 or 2 slots to spare to feed, or they get 1 more mule power.....big whoop. The benefit is more diverse pool selections. in my opinion.

exactly, or not be re-directed to another thread as an example of why the idea isn't sound.

i think it would have to be slotted no matter what, it's a pretty big benefit power. i'd love to see some stats on how many people who have SS also have CJ (maybe that will change with ninja run etc being able to stay on), and also would love to see stats on how many people with SS took hasten over flurry as the first pick, and then a stat on how many players have hasten across all toons and levels and also a stat for level 50 as all powers have been selected. I think the numbers would be staggering and would further prove the need to at least re-look at this and not sweep it under the rug.

It circles back really to how powerful the power is, especially considering it's a pool power. If you want it to cost something, that's fine with me but i wish it to be a choice that's not tied to a pretty crappy pool. Travel pools are a hot mess, they always have been. The 5th power was put it for what, just to add something cool? Speed is so borked in general. You have hasten which is arguably one of the most powerful tools in the pool powers, of which players like me always use it, then you have Flurry, whirlwind, and burnout? A pool power with a 30 minute cool down? what, now we are putting accolade like recharges in pool powers? Fly and Jump both have always had some level of consistency, you get a weak attack that nobody gives a hoot about, and a pre-cursor mini version of the power (ie CJ and Hover). Teleportation was always an odd one, but it seems with combat teleport makes sense to align with say jump kick, and then you have Teleport target which makes sense compared to the old TP foe/ally setup. Speed gets a recharge power (makes no sense as it has nothing to do with movement/travel. I don't even know what to make of the new ones. Maybe the suggestion is just to open up the limit of pools from 4 to 5. I dunno, just seems like a huge portion of characters use it, even if it's 30-40%, that's a LOT and shows the inequity of choices people make.

I fully accept that it’s not required but it feels like a must have for many players including myself. That’s purely opinion and my initial post said inherent, passive, or selectable. The rest of the OP was ignored and I felt like I was being made fun of for broaching the subject. I accept my part in the thread growing into a little bit if a shit show but there are some meaningful thoughts and balance related comments that need to be considered.

That would make its benefit across the board passive, which I was fine with in my OP. Some characters certainly don’t need it, many I feel do. There’s also a playstyle factor here and what the expectations are that we all have when deciding if we enjoy playing a character or not. I’d love to find a statistic on every level 50 character and see how many have and how many don’t have. Is that possible?

I said I was already there and waiting for you to catch up tongue in cheek as I had already made my concession on inherent idea and had already explained my position as far as keeping it a choice earlier on in reply to some thoughtful replies that were against my initial idea. That’s a little different than comments like “Sarcasm isn't a good look for you, but I suppose it beats prepubescent aggression.” just sayin im done throwing shade, so if your good, let’s both clean it up.

if it were inherent it frees up choice, if it’s selectable it remains the same but you are t tethered to one travel power in a build with 4 pools used.

That poses some interesting questions. If we do add to all of the other travel powers, speed would need something to replace it. Considering the other choices in the pool, maybe another useful power would be interesting. I would really have to put some thought into it, offhand I’m thinking of some sort of minus recharge Debuff power or something clickable that would be kind of neat. Regarding the other pools, I don’t think they would need an extra power just because the travel ones have five. However if we do take a hard look at some of the other pool selections, they are a lot of under used powers, and a lot of powers that just simply aren’t used by anybody. It’s very rare to see anybody take the taunt pool, or even medicine. One thing that I do notice is that it’s apparent that you have to invest quite a bit to get those tier 4 powers. Maybe keeping the Hasten as a tier one could act as a substitute. So maybe you can go hasten, mighty jump, unleashed potential etc. I feel like some of the precursor powers are so build specific, Hasten-like version would be more universal.

Back to insults? Thought the gm’s were clear about that. “We got there didn’t we?” Suppose sarcasm isn’t just one sided is it. Clearly you aren’t going to see eye to eye on this or maybe anything. Let’s drop it

I've been there, i was just waiting for you to catch up. I understand there are restrictions, i understand there should be cost. I just think it be cool to see builds where it's not the only power taken in the pool, because that's the reality. You either deal with SS as your travel, or you waste a pool. I think this would be a quality of life improvement

Fitness is/was a trash pool but if you go back in time you'd probably still use it. IO's, incarnates weren't a thing at that time, and there weren't that many hami'd out characters that would skip it unless you had quickness or quick recovery. different times really

None removed No stacking, can only be selected from one chosen pool, like experimentation and force of will can't be used together. It's a recharge buff, that's all it is. It's no different than slotting you powers for recharge. Call it whatever you want in the other pools. Again you don't have to choose it. Leave Adreinal as is. can be used either or or in conjunction as it is now.

Why players wouldn't want it i don't have an answer for, but from a power pool selection, i do understand how this one power is literally one of the most powerful tools compared to every pool power, so it should come at cost in their eyes. I can see that point and if inherent hasten would really unbalance things i'd concede that. I just think it be cool to be able to continue making the choice to have or not have, but not having it use up a whole pool. That would free up a lot of other choices for many players (not all).

Inherent means it wouldn't cost a power selection. For something as powerful as hasten, i was asking too much for it to be inherent. However, that wasn't my only idea on the matter. I think it would be nice if it was a selectable power in all of the travel pools so it still comes at a cost. If you think that's asking for everything, i'm sorry I disagree with you.