sponazgul

I like all of this.

Just got my Praetorian Loyalist to 50 (thank you, Spring Fling event and the Terrigol mission that I relentlessly re-ran without completing to get through level 49) and earned the Praetor badge, whose badge text implied a reckoning for Praetoria was on the horizon (but hadn’t happened yet, clearly) But since Praetoria is not destroyed for me at 50 (thank you badge for confirming that) a little more post 40 content to help Praetorians earn their way up to the Praetor level (like a Praetorian TF where we succeed in abducting Positron) would be great.

My level 48 Praetorian, lingering in the Night Ward and avoiding crossing over to Prime Earth, has noticed that the Labyrinth of Fog trial is available in the Trials section of the LFG tool. I didn’t even realize that someone could launch a league instance trial of the Fog. It would be convenient if the Midnighter Mansion in NW had an entry point into the Labyrinth, giving another entry point for everyone, but especially level 45+ Praetorians. I’d not have to grind Snaptooth or Summer Blockbusters now.

Yeah! pop up: One Hour Ago …

I think you can probably just be explicit. Like, the Mission Accept text is “You feel a moment of deja vu coming on” and the Title of Mission Two is “Flashback to One Hour Ago”

I don’t have any examples of my own, or other AE missions. In game, there’s only Mender Lazarus who experiences you in a different order than you experience him. The other example is Trilogy in Night Ward who offers his missions out of order. Both situations present a framework for the players to get it: time travel in one case, and explicitly being told the relative position in the three books the player is about to journey into. So if you want to have an out of order story, you might consider how or when to clue the player in.

Big thanks to @LordRassilon for playing through Into the YOUniverse this morning on Twitch. I have it queued up to watch, but I did see some bits of the stream, here or there while I was finding the playthrough in the feed. When he was reading clues, to my horror I saw that I had missed fixing a clue, that had the wrong name for one of the major characters in the mission arc - I'm looking to watch the full play through - I saw that he had some suggestions about alternate maps for at least one of the missions I'll give that some thought. I did laugh at one part of the playthrough I saw - - I'm not sure how much I could have done to restrain the natural impulses of the team. I do appreciate YOUniverse being given a run, and I'm looking forward to running Heart of Words. (I think that's Rassilon's arcs...)

Since The time I started this suggestion thread, suggesting more Goldside content to promote Goldside teaming and interest in making a Praetorian, I’m pleased to announce that I’ve gotten my Loyalist from 41 to 45, thanks to the Trilogy missions (the only contact left to me.) Since I’m a defender, the occasional inclusion of Epoch and/or Mercenary as NPC Allie’s really helps, since I can bump up the level diff and team size. Of course, each mission has to be run through several times without completion, for fear of finishing the arc and then being left without playable contacts. This is largely why I think some more Goldside content should exist. I’m hoping I can use this arc to run from 45 to 50 (because of the nonlinear story told by Trilogy, I’ll need to investigate if I’m on the last mission or not.) I also don’t know if 45 is the upper limit on the missions being given, in which case the level difficulty increase will only go so far, but team size will still help in the XP pursuit. Of course, I was lucky enough to join a Seed of Hamidon event, and to rob Tyrant’s casino (Ted Dubois needed to be taken down a peg) so that all helps the post-40 experience, even if I’m exemplared down for the SBB.

I'll adopt that interpretation that my making a character Goldside is an event back in the past during the Praetorian heyday, but also that my character at level 42 and eventually at level 50 is also in the past, before the Fall of Praetoria. I don't see why I can't have that for me. If lore insists that I must have left Praetoria at my level, well, the lore is wrong, because I haven't left.

Strong agree.

I don't remember going back in time. I guess I should look too see if I have the Ouro power then. I feel that that's your interpretation, rather than mine. Yes, I know that the Marchand arc is post fall, I'm just pointing out that there are high level Praetorians - I used his arc as an example, but it's not the only one., To suggest that my higher level 50 Praetorian is somehow an anomaly is weird to me. (I'm not saying that you are suggesting this, my response above and in this post is in response to people suggesting that to me.) If I must point out high level Praetorians before the fall of Praetoria, I can point to Maria's arc, or several Incarnate Trials. Although there is nothing wrong in playing in the pre-fall content all I want, I want to have access to my powers, which is why I am suggesting more content for goldside. Again, I can see trials set up versus the Hamidon and his monsters, as a means to not impact the sacred timeline of events between the interactions between Prime Earth and Praetoria.

I don't think we can really have a meaningful dialogue on this, because you seem to me to be tied to the idea that at some point in my Praetorian character's leveling up, Praetoria gets destroyed and there is no choice but for me to go to Prime Earth. I don't agree, since the Marchand arc can feature level 54 Praetorian troops (including Jane Temblor and Fusion) attacking Peregrine Island - in a time where Praetoria is falling. My Praetorian Loyalist deserves to be among those Praetorians too. Just this morning, my level 42 Praetorian Loyalist teamed up with a level 14 Resistance brute in Underground Imperial. For both of us, Praetoria is still at the height of power, even if I've been told (by people steeped in game-lore, I guess) that at my level, Praetoria is gone. But, how am I in Underground Imperial, helping a young character fight the Alpha Ghoul then? It's my reality. I'm not the one choosing some canon or not, I'm choosing to accept the reality of what I'm experiencing that Praetoria is still vibrant to me and is still in power. As a Praetorian, I haven't played any content to suggest otherwise. I could continue to play as a Praetorian, helping out young Praetorians and I can do that until I hit level 50, but I won't have access to the bulk of my powersets. I'm just asking for higher end content in Praetoria so I can make the most of my character. Anything I play I would consider to be happening before the hypothetical fall of Praetoria, and that will be in sync with the fact that I can visit Nova Praetoria at any time, and see Praetor Duncan there, even though she's fated to be eaten by Mot, betrayed by Diabolique. To choose to cleave strongly to the narrative would imply that at some point, I can never go back to Nova Praetoria or else I'll be presented with evidence that Praetoria isn't destroyed, and that's silly. Praetoria's destruction is something that Prime Earth characters experience. To use your analogy, the Berlin Wall is still up, and I can visit it and see it. If one day the devs turn Nova Praetoria into a crater and people can no longer make Loyalists and Resistance, then maybe I'll concede the point and cross over my Praetorian as a refugee.

Not for this Praetorian. I'll never leave Praetoria for Prime Earth, so I want things to do in Praetoria. I think trying to focus too much on what might sense for a narrative is not important, since: 1) a Prime Earth resident can do the Marchand arc at 35, and witness Hamidon in the distance wrecking Praetoria, and take the defeated Marauder into custody - he has a journey taking him to work with the new Praetorians. 2) 15 levels later, that same person can be fighting a Marauder in the Lambda sector, a Marauder who is an unbroken full-on supporter of a powerful and ruling Emperor Cole, in an undestroyed Praetoria. This is a game, the narrative shouldn't be enforced, and it already isn't that much enforced. You can team up on a Magisterium iTrial and defeat Tyrant, and then visit Praetoria and hang out in the pristine Nova Praetoria and team up with a newly-made Loyalist who is existing in the flush of Praetoria's might. I just want to have fun. I don't care if after the defeat of Praetoria by Hamidon, and Hamidon's defeat by Incarnate Prime Earthers in Last Bastion, if Reichsmann or whomever, NEMESIS maybe, shows up and there's a Praetorian task force vs that other-dimensional enemy. Go wild, Devs. So, I am not looking for anything to force me to leave Praetoria for Prime Earth (unless I can still remain a Praetorian and be treated by the game like I'm a Rogue if I'm a Loyalist, or like I'm a Vigilante if I'm a Resistance, and be unable to change alignment unless I say goodbye to Praetoria and do the Crossing Over mission. I'm also fine with never being able to go to Prime Earth, because I've made peace with that, and I just want more goldside content overall.)

Sadly, the body bag is kind of the go-to corpse indicator. Even if you set the person's behavior to be unconscious after the rescue too, I assume they get up and run away.

I think this would be done by people not caring to do the goldside stories again though, just like people running DFB aren't looking to do the City Hall contact arcs.