Infinitum

so in similar grav/time herd attempts 24 seconds, 38 seconds, 2:44, and 3:28 once they hold you its over. once they hit you hard enough its over.

No i was using that and Chronoshift. without DDR you will cascade on SR or Nin thats not going to happen. they will probably get you eventually but will take a lot longer. Go to a hybrid like shield and you can pretty much survive indefinately to the Herd challenge. Im sure there are SR players that could survive it indefinately too but SR isnt my forte in melee - shield is and ninjitsu is my second choice.

It isnt a hyperbole, its a statement of fact that I utilize Chronoshift to my benefit more than Farsight and PB, thats my personal preference, and playstyle. I wasnt comparing the two just stating that chronoshift is a far more useful power IMO in the set. Go see how many GM you can herd with a grav time then. See if you can do any better.

My grav/time lasted about 2:30 sec with four GM herded, - longer than i thought, and held up well but once defense failed it cascaded hard and i was down in 3 hits - I could have made it longer if i stayed at range, but you wont do that with any Melee SR or Nin character - even a Sent would hold up better than this. On SR that doesnt happen. On Ninjitsu that doesnt happen. Like I said you cant compare the 2. Oranges and apples and such.

You are seriously comparing the survivability of a SR character to these troller sets? ok GO do the monster island herd test on ANY time character, you pick, tell me how it goes. SR can do it. So can Ninjitsu.

You ARENT getting near them though - not in total survivability - what difference does it make if the numbers are the same if it wont keep you alive? - thats the point. which you have missed. many many times. If you calculate DDR into the equation, along with various status protections, they arent remotely similar or even in the same league. Like i said before I gain more out of chronoshift in the grand scheme of things than farsight.

Makes too much sense, feeling have been hurt so nerf nerf nerf.

Oh I understand just fine, but you obviously do not. You can't compare a set like SR which is infinitely more survivable than the farsight+pb combo or any other layered defense you can add to it either. Even Ninjitsu is far more survivable than that combo. Hell chronoshift by itself is better than that combo. Keep on thinking you can. I don't care. And I dont think you or anyone are talking gibberish. You are making completely misguided sense and in your case throwing in a splash of jerk while you are at It. I mean disagreeing is fine but trying to belittle me or make me seem stupid is completely unnecessary, but I'm sure like before you will hide again and pretend like I'm misreading you or it never happened. It isn't a bug its working as intended. Y'all are just missing the point of this really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Thats because they function differently, with various other protections. I cant tell if you are cherry picking to prove your point or just not understanding the difference here. EVERY armor set out there is more durable than farsight is becuase they all work together to complete the set. With farsight you have to cobble it together with stealth or maneuvers, cj, weave set bonuses etc. No DDR no mez protection any of that. Its not Even close. And time isnt a no brainer like you are making it out to be. You Still have to kill things and control them other things go into a build other than damage mitigation.

Thanks for the shout out. Your SR build is top notch too.

Many avenues to soft cap.

It's not an armor set. It's a clickie that's not insta godmode on the squishiest AT in the game aside from MM. Still though. So what? How will that break anything? There are many avenues to do that on any AT. Thats just one avenue and not a permanent or efficient one IMO . none of that affects how end game teams face content. It doesn't affect early game because it's not avail. It sure has gotten in your head as an issue though.

Define fun and interesting. Also quantify that. Bet your answer isn't the only one out there. What you are describing is a rarity that I've not seen in game once as being a problem.. So why does it bother you? is my question. Also see corruptors for team buffs and blaster like damage. Buffers make things easier and more fun but like anything isn't required. Damage output is the target of the game these days. This whole thread is a nitpick at something that's not really breaking or affecting how the game flows or what people look for when they build.

All good points but I doubt it will make anyone see the light.

Seriously though, none of that is game breaking. Its just a means to an end that most people shoot for in any number of ways on nearly any min max build on any AT. It's not even the most efficient way for time to get there. I use stealth and a lot of set bonuses and never rely on power boost. My favorite time power is chronoshift. If anything makes it OP its that. That's the tide turner from my experience.

They are soft capped before the buffs actually.

Incarnate content can be bipolar... Easy easy easy Haaaaaaarrrrrrd easy haaaaaard.

Having played time, storm, rad, thermal, and kinetics. No I dont think it trivializes them. I haven't played any other sets, but I know people that have, empathy, nature, poison, arrow, sonic. And, none of them seem trivialized by the presence of a time Troller on the team either. If anything soft capped blasters chain nuking the map is what makes just about anything seem trivial - holds and buffs who needs those?

You are comparing oranges to apples. These are clickies not toggles and absent is ddr or anything to guarantee it. It doesn't make the user OP or invulnerable. I've been dropped running power boost and farsight with chronoshift. Soft capping with 4 powers isn't unheard of and it doesn't matter if you are positionally Soft capped or typed soft capped - it takes the higher of the 2 values. I always build for positional unless it's an invul. I soft cap my trollers to ranged and AOE minus power boosr - doesn't matter which kind. Melee doesn't matter because if I'm going into melee range with my Troller that's equivalent to the tcs victory ramming the kilrathi dreadnought in the losing endgame sequence for WC3 Heart of the Tiger. These aren't game breaking issues like you are making them out to be, because there are lots of different ways to be more OP than what you are saying.

On live double stack eliminated the crash - it was a bug. Homecoming fixed it to where it crashed for every instance. There was a proposed change to where it would only crash if you double stacked it but that was pulled. As of now it crashes after every expiration.

Aaaand you are still hiding.

i remember back in the day not being able to complete the stf without some kind of -regen and a lot of other debuffs. Now You can pretty much roll it with any group or pug you can find. I like that about being OP as well. Not only that but you can be a good tour guide for other characters that aren't setted out to show them wonderful experiences they may have not been able to get otherwise. You can also make it as grindy as you want. Only the user has control of the build they play and slot and what content and how hard it is they play too.

You can still simulate simpler times, theres a thread on excelsior. See thats the beauty of this game. You can play it any way you like and there are people that will gladly join you. Theres no right or wrong way to play.

That's fine, keep hiding.

Everything is redundant in the end game if you min max. I haven't seen anything grind to a halt as a result though.