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  1. Well, the uninstaller may not be updated with the app, but I'd think it would be. I may still just wait until after Xmas to give it a try. The annoyance is minor except when making a new build. It's mostly the button3 set fills and drag-and-drop power order changes that get to me.
  2. Is anyone else having performance issues with this build? Builds are taking longer to load (2s or so instead of instantly), if I click things quickly sometimes the clicks don't take (this happens on the Show Totals window tabs for instance) and the graphics are just plain slow to render. Anyway... has the desktop wipe on uninstall bug been fixed? I'm thinking of doing a complete re-install and am leery about running the uninstall after what that did to me last time.
  3. I'm still getting the graphics performance issues with 3.1.2.5 (DB .1215).
  4. I'm having some graphics issues with the new version (3.1.1.2 with DB .1213). When I use button3 to add the next IO in a set the icon doesn't render most of the time. I have to flip to the alternate slotting and back to get it to draw. Mouse-over gives the context info on the IO, so it's slotting, just not rendering. Also, when I drag-and-drop a power to a new place (level) in a build it sometimes (rarely) fails to draw the powers in their new positions.
  5. The power includes a Taunt component that will break stealth and stealth related Defense. If you have a power with a large Defense bonus of that type it would explain the behavior.
  6. The LFG tab lists the level of the Dr Q TF as being 40-44. However, I ran it last night on a 50+3 toon and I was at level 45. The HC Wiki lists the level as 40-45, which matches my memories from NCSoft days. I don't think I ran it after Incarnate content launched though. And with Incarnates that one level makes a big difference. In any case the LFG max level and the actual max level should match.
  7. I never delete builds. If they aren't working I may move them or rename them, but I don't delete them. I had 30 builds that were broken until Zed found the issue and fixed it so I could load them again in 3.0.5.9. As for your issue, I'm not having it with AVG with a 3.0.5.9 that was updated via "Check for..." from 3.0.5.7 a few days ago. Sounds like Bitdefender got a new virus definitions update and returned a - hopefully - false positive.
  8. Are you on 3.0.5.9? I stopped having that issue with 3.0.5.7 myself.
  9. I'm guessing that whatever Mids I was using in Sep to Nov 2019 was the culprit. Perhaps my Mids install was simply broken during that time. My 1st thought was that these were old Fitness-as-a-choice builds, but some of them were builds new to HC rather than rescued builds from I19 and I21 when I made a lot of my Mids builds in the olden days. Both of the builds I posted were new to HC. I can open builds from as far back as May 2011 (I19 I believe) in 3.0.5.7 but I do have builds from 2008 to 2010 that throw repeated exceptions related to the Fitness pool. Thanks for looking into this and responding. I was about to remake some of those 30 builds the hard way. I'll just wait and see what's in the next update now.
  10. I'm stumped on this. Nothing really seems to be in common in the 30 builds I can't open. My memory says they were all originally created about the same time - Sep to Nov 2019 - but the save dates on them are all over the place. And I can open them in 3.0.4.7 and save them and they still fail to open in 3.0.5.7.
  11. I tried a few things that didn't work. Maybe someone else can try opening my builds on 3.0.5.7 to help determine if it's a problem with the save or with my install. Here's a Blaster... 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  12. Well, that didn't take long. I can open my broken Blaster save with version 3.0.4.7. Now I just need to figure out why I can't open it in 3.0.5.7. My 2nd broken Blaster works too. Let's try a few Brutes that wouldn't open then see if I can figure out what they have in common. Well, that's 5 that wouldn't open in the latest build (or previous one) but that will open in 3.0.4.7. The only thing I see they have in common are Hasten and CJ. And I have a lot of builds with both that work fine. I updated MR to the current version using the "Check for..." and it can't open the build re-saved to a different file under 3.0.4.7. So the valid 3.04.7 builds are not valid in 3.0.5.7 for some reason. I guess it's time to get serious. I was hoping for a fix that didn't require that.
  13. Even with a completely fresh install I don't have that path for the App, as the /app directory is missing. I think I'm going to uninstall and try older version now to see if I can get those broken saves open.
  14. I had to scrape my install and manually re-install for just me to get it to work. Trying to install the app as usable for everyone resulted in the app failing to launch. Anyway, the new version seems to have fixed the Afterburner type issues. I still have builds I can't open because they throw an exception though. I was hoping that was related to the other issue, but apparently not. When I get a chance I'll install older versions of MidsReborn and see how far back I have to go to load those builds. I thought it might be .NET, but I'm not sure why most builds are fine and some aren't. Here's the exception I'm getting: See the end of this message for details on invoking just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box. ************** Exception Text ************** System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. at mrbBase.Base.Data_Classes.Character.PoolShuffle() at Mids_Reborn.clsToonX.Load(String iFileName, Stream& mStream) at Mids_Reborn.Forms.frmMain.DoOpen(String fName) at Mids_Reborn.Forms.frmMain.tsFileOpen_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) ************** Loaded Assemblies ************** mscorlib Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.4069.0 built by: NET48REL1LAST_B CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework64/v4.0.30319/mscorlib.dll ---------------------------------------- MidsReborn Assembly Version: 3.0.5.7 Win32 Version: 3.0.5.7 CodeBase: file:///D:/Program%20Files/Games/CoH/Mids%20Reborn/MidsReborn.exe ---------------------------------------- System.Windows.Forms Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.4042.0 built by: NET48REL1LAST_C CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll ---------------------------------------- System Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.4001.0 built by: NET48REL1LAST_C CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Drawing Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.3761.0 built by: NET48REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll ---------------------------------------- Syncfusion.Licensing Assembly Version: 18.4460.0.31 Win32 Version: 18.4460.0.31 CodeBase: file:///D:/Program%20Files/Games/CoH/Mids%20Reborn/Syncfusion.Licensing.DLL ---------------------------------------- mrbBase Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0 CodeBase: file:///D:/Program%20Files/Games/CoH/Mids%20Reborn/mrbBase.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.Core Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.4110.0 built by: NET48REL1LAST_B CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Core.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Configuration Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.3761.0 built by: NET48REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Xml Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.3761.0 built by: NET48REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll ---------------------------------------- Newtonsoft.Json Assembly Version: 13.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 13.0.1.25517 CodeBase: file:///D:/Program%20Files/Games/CoH/Mids%20Reborn/Newtonsoft.Json.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.Numerics Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.3761.0 built by: NET48REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Numerics/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Numerics.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Runtime.Serialization Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.3928.0 built by: NET48REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Runtime.Serialization/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Runtime.Serialization.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Data Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.3761.0 built by: NET48REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_64/System.Data/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Data.dll ---------------------------------------- mrbControls Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0 CodeBase: file:///D:/Program%20Files/Games/CoH/Mids%20Reborn/mrbControls.DLL ---------------------------------------- Microsoft.VisualBasic Assembly Version: 10.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 14.8.3761.0 built by: NET48REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Microsoft.VisualBasic/v4.0_10.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Microsoft.VisualBasic.dll ---------------------------------------- FastDeepCloner Assembly Version: 1.0.3.5 Win32 Version: 1.0.3.5 CodeBase: file:///D:/Program%20Files/Games/CoH/Mids%20Reborn/FastDeepCloner.DLL ---------------------------------------- Accessibility Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 4.8.3761.0 built by: NET48REL1 CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Accessibility/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Accessibility.dll ---------------------------------------- ************** JIT Debugging ************** To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this application or computer (machine.config) must have the jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section. The application must also be compiled with debugging enabled. For example: <configuration> <system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" /> </configuration> When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer rather than be handled by this dialog box.
  15. "Check for Updates Now" is not seeing the new version at this time. I'll check back later to see if that's working before I re-install manually.
  16. I haven't found a way. I'm about to give up and use the work-around of using an older version of Mids, removing the power, saving the edited build, then going back to the current version of Mids and loading it.
  17. Any update on this? I have a bunch of broken builds and am contemplating installing an older version of Mids in an attempt to fix them. Some builds simply crash and won't load. Many of those that do load are broken from the point where a power that has been replaced - such as Afterburner - was taken. In any case... what version would you suggest installing to try to fix my issues? 3.0.4.7? Or something even older? And do I need to try to get an older database too? Thanks.
  18. Praetorian Loyalist/Power line contact Reese, Rise to Power Part Three: A Spectacle for the Crowd. In paragraph 3 Reese says "Ahem. If you past Warrant, ..." It should read "Ahem. If you get past Warrant, ..." or "Ahem. If you make it past Warrant, ..."
  19. v3.0.5.6 broke my Peacebringer builds. They all have Quantum Acceleration in the power list, which I can't remove and replace with Quantum Maneuvers. In addition to not being able to edit the power choice, all powers listed after it are off by one in the order. That is, if I mouse-hover over the subsequent power it lists the info for the next power down the list. Is anyone else having this problem? I really don't want to have to completely redo all three builds. [Edit:] In a related note Infiltration properly replaced Invisibility without causing the same problem.
  20. How about Light Form for PBs? Should it get the small Psi Res and removal of the HP crash too?
  21. Do people actually use Granite Armor in PvP? In any case I'd rather see Minerals changed to work with Granite Armor. I should mention that I PvP very rarely though, so my opinion is based more on my conception of the set and its various powers than the effect of the change; Minerals would probably be a lot stronger in PvP than the small amount of Res and may be too strong if paired with Granite.
  22. The Arcane Power feature of Arcane Bolt no longer seems to work. I tested it using a level 35 Illusion/Thermal Controller. During regular play in Tip missions I never had a circle, quick recharge or any extra damage. I then sat and put Warmth on auto-fire and never got a circle around Arcane Bolt.
  23. The faster tick rate for the passive Resists would be nice for PvE.
  24. The Faultline manholes can't be clicked while open at either end (entrance or exit). All other entrances and exits - including the SM and FF entrances and Nova Praetoria entrance and exit via manhole - can be clicked while open (though the NP entrance manhole seems to be harder to click than the others). Just to be thorough I tested the 4 red zones, 5 blue zones, 2 gold zones and Echo Plaza for each Primal alignment. There were no anomalies save the FL entrance/exit: I was denied blue-side as a Villain and red-side as a Hero and was able to zone otherwise. I got the normal warnings on all red and blue zones when Rogue or Vigilante. As subjective feedback... I do find traveling to Echo Plaza in the Shadow Shard by truck to be rather odd. IMO, a portal a la Imperial City would be better.
  25. My issue with it is actually the flip-side: It renders KR's entrance pretty much useless. So why not lose it instead?
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