Replacement Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) Purpose: a list of all Immobilizes (and in further posts, related powers) set up with Knockback interactions that run counter to the "rule" that may-or-may-not officially exist. I believe many of these (or even all of them) are bugs, depending on what the rule ends up becoming. The only player-accessible Immobilizes I have skipped (to my knowledge) are those that follow the rule of NOT applying protection, but DO apply resistance. Stuff to know if you don't know what I'm talking about: There are a lot of powers (some immobilizes, ice holds) that add +knock resist (turns knockbacks into knockdowns) and +knock protection (makes enemy immune to knocks more or less entirely). At some point (I think during the Snap), many Immobilizes were designated to have either the Resist added or the Protection removed. I believe this was "trial ran" to ensure it would have good results. The rule of thumb: If a power gives Knockback protection - probably bad. Prevents Knocks entirely. If a power gives Knockback resistance - usually good. Since this is a number like 10,000%, it turns all knockbacks into KDs for as long as they are mezzed. The Inconsistencies: We currently lack a true definition of intent for the game going forward. This can invalidate a lot of what can be construed as a bug. I am operating under the rule that all Immobilizes should have Knock resistance but not protection, but that could be updated to something like "every Control set shall have an ST and AoE knockback reducer." There are holds and other thematic considerations that may always require their own rules. Right now, the big exceptions are * "Ice block" holds that fully encase your enemy - these all provide mez resist and protection, and that may be warranted. There are a few other powers that may deserve the same treatment. * Gravity Holds have the KB reducers instead of the Immobilize powers. This is a bit goofy, but ok. Data time Every power in the following list should be considered "flagged for review." I have marked many on my own version of this data as "bug" and I am happy to color code these accordingly, but I have left that out for now. Epic powers are some of the biggest offenders. Note that due to me listing it out here by AT, many of these are data duplicates despite referencing the same file (Tanker and Brute, for example). Final reminder for reading these tables: KB Protection bad, KB Resistance good. AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Arachnos Soldier: Arachnos Soldier: Wide Area Web Grenade ✔ ✔ taoe immob Arachnos Soldier: Training and Gadgets: Arachnobot>Web Spitter ✔ ✔ pet immob via Call Reinforcements Arachnos Soldier: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Arachnos Soldier: Leviathan Mastery: Summon Guardian>Stone Prison ✔ x pet immob Villain Pets.Coral Guardian Sentinel.Stone Prison Arachnos Soldier: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Arachnos Soldier: Mace Mastery: Summon Blaster>Web ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Arachnobot Blaster.Web Arachnos Soldier: Mu Mastery: Electrifying Fences ✔ ✔ taoe immob Arachnos Soldier: Soul Mastery: Soul Tentacles x x cone immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Arachnos Widow: Fortunata Training: Subdue x x st immob Arachnos Widow: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Arachnos Widow: Leviathan Mastery: Summon Guardian>Stone Prison ✔ x pet immob Villain Pets.Coral Guardian Sentinel.Stone Prison Arachnos Widow: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Arachnos Widow: Mace Mastery: Summon Blaster>Web ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Arachnobot Blaster.Web Arachnos Widow: Mu Mastery: Electrifying Fences ✔ ✔ taoe immob Arachnos Widow: Soul Mastery: Soul Tentacles x x cone immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Blaster: Atomic Manipulation: Electron Shackles ✔ ✔ st immob Blaster: Darkness Manipulation: Penumbral Grasp x x st immob Blaster: Darkness Manipulation: Midnight Grasp x x st immob Blaster: Devices: Toxic Web Grenade ✔ ✔ st immob Blaster: Electricity Manipulation: Electric Fence ✔ ✔ st immob Blaster: Fire Manipulation: Ring of Fire ✔ ✔ st immob Blaster: Ice Manipulation: Chilblain ✔ ✔ st immob Blaster: Mental Manipulation: Subdual x x st immob Blaster: Ninja Training: Immobilizing Dart x x st immob Blaster: Plant Manipulation: Entangle ✔ ✔ st immob Blaster: Tactical Arrow: Electrified Net Arrow ✔ ✔ st immob Blaster: Temporal Manipulation: Time Wall x x st immob Immob missing from short text Blaster: Dark Blast: Tenebrous Tentacles x x cone immob Blaster: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Blaster: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Blaster: Mu Mastery: Electrifying Fences ✔ ✔ taoe immob Blaster: Soul Mastery: Soul Tentacles x x cone immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Brute: Dark Melee: Midnight Grasp x x st immob Brute: Martial Arts: Crippling Axe Kick x x st immob Brute: Spines: Impale x x st immob Brute: Staff Fighting Innocuous Strikes x x cone immob Brute: Arctic Mastery: Chilblain ✔ ✔ st immob Brute: Earth Mastery: Stone Prison ✔ ✔ st immob Brute: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Brute: Leviathan Mastery: Summon Guardian>Stone Prison ✔ x pet immob Villain Pets.Coral Guardian Sentinel.Stone Prison Brute: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Brute: Mace Mastery: Summon Blaster>Web ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Arachnobot Blaster.Web Brute: Mu Mastery: Electrifying Fences ✔ ✔ taoe immob Brute: Pyre Mastery: Ring of Fire ✔ ✔ st immob Brute: Soul Mastery: Soul Tentacles x x cone immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Controller: Darkness Control: Umbra Beast>Shadowy Binds ✔ ✔ pet immob PET IMMOB Controller: Electric Control: Chain Fences x x taoe immob Controller: Gravity Control: Crush x x st immob Controller: Gravity Control: Crushing Field x x taoe immob Controller: Plant Control: Vines>Entangle ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Creeper Patch.Entangle Controller: Plant Control: Fly Trap>Entangle ✔ ✔ pet immob Controller: Darkness Affinity: Dark Servant>Tenebrous Tentacles x x pet cone immob Controller: Traps: Web Grenade ✔ ✔ st immob Controller: Mace Mastery: Summon Tarantula ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Toxic Tarantula.Web Controller: Soul Mastery: Summon Seer>Subdue x x pet immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Corruptor: Darkness Affinity: Dark Servant>Tenebrous Tentacles x x pet cone immob Corruptor: Traps: Web Grenade ✔ ✔ st immob Corruptor: Dark Blast: Tenebrous Tentacles x x cone immob Corruptor: Psychic Blast: Subdue x x st immob Corruptor: Electricity Mastery: Electric Fence ✔ ✔ st immob Corruptor: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Corruptor: Leviathan Mastery: Summon Coralax>Subdue x x pet immob Villain Pets.Coralax Red Hybrid.Subdue Corruptor: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Corruptor: Mace Mastery: Summon Disruptor>Web Spitter ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Arachnobot Disrupter.Web Spitter Corruptor: Soul Mastery: Summon Mistress>Subdue x x pet immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Defender: Darkness Affinity: Dark Servant>Tenebrous Tentacles x x pet cone immob Defender: Traps: Web Grenade ✔ ✔ st immob Defender: Dark Blast: Tenebrous Tentacles x x cone immob Defender: Psychic Blast: Subdue x x st immob Defender: Electricity Mastery: Electric Fence ✔ ✔ st immob Defender: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Defender: Leviathan Mastery: Summon Coralax>Subdue x x pet immob Villain Pets.Coralax Red Hybrid.Subdue Defender: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Defender: Mace Mastery: Summon Disruptor>Web Spitter ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Arachnobot Disrupter.Web Spitter Defender: Soul Mastery: Summon Mistress>Subdue x x pet immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Dominator: Darkness Control: Umbra Beast>Shadowy Binds ✔ ✔ pet immob Dominator: Electric Control: Chain Fences x x taoe immob Dominator: Gravity Control: Crush x x st immob Dominator: Gravity Control: Crushing Field x x taoe immob Dominator: Plant Control: Vines>Entangle ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Creeper Patch.Entangle Dominator: Plant Control: Fly Trap>Entangle ✔ ✔ pet immob Dominator: Dark Assault: Midnight Grasp x x st immob Dominator: Earth Assault: Mud Pots x x toggle immob Dominator: Psionic Assault: Subdue x x st immob Dominator: Thorny Assault: Impale x x st immob Dominator: Mace Mastery: Summon Tarantula ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Toxic Tarantula.Web Dominator: Soul Mastery: Summon Seer>Subdue x x pet immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Mastermind: Darkness Affinity: Dark Servant>Tenebrous Tentacles x x pet cone immob Mastermind: Traps: Web Grenade ✔ ✔ st immob Mastermind: Mercenaries: Spec Ops>Web Grenade ✔ ✔ pet immob Mastermind: Necromancy: Lich>Tenebrous Tentacles x x pet immob via Enchant Undead; Mastermind Pets.Lich.Tenebrous Tentacles Mastermind: NInjas: Oni>Ring of Fire ✔ ✔ pet immob via Train Ninjas; Mastermind Pets.Oni.Ring of Fire Mastermind: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Mastermind: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Mastermind: Mu Mastery: Electrifying Fences ✔ ✔ taoe immob Mastermind: Soul Mastery: Soul Tentacles x x cone immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Scrapper: Dark Melee: Midnight Grasp x x st immob Scrapper: Martial Arts: Crippling Axe Kick x x st immob Scrapper: Spines: Impale x x st immob Scrapper: Staff Fighting Innocuous Strikes x x cone immob Scrapper: Blaze Mastery: Ring of Fire ✔ ✔ st immob Scrapper: Darkness Mastery: Tenebrous Tentalces x x cone immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Sentinel: Dark Mastery: Netherworld Tentacles ✔ ✔ cone immob Sentinel: Electricity Mastery: Chain Fences x x taoe immob Sentinel: Fire Mastery: Fire Cages ✔ ✔ taoe immob Sentinel: Ice Mastery: Frostbite ✔ ✔ taoe immob Sentinel: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Sentinel: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Sentinel: Mace Mastery: Summon Tarantula>Web ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Toxic Tarantula.Web Sentinel: Mu Mastery: Electrifying Fences ✔ ✔ taoe immob Sentinel: Soul Mastery: Soul Tentacles x x cone immob Sentinel: Soul Mastery: Midnight Grasp x x st immob Sentinel: Soul Mastery: Summon Mistress>Subdue x x pet immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Stalker: Dark Melee: Midnight Grasp x x st immob Stalker: Martial Arts: Crippling Axe Kick x x st immob Stalker: Spines: Impale x x st immob Stalker: Blaze Mastery: Ring of Fire ✔ ✔ st immob Stalker: Darkness Mastery: Tenebrous Tentalces x x cone immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Tanker: Dark Melee: Midnight Grasp x x st immob Tanker: Martial Arts: Crippling Axe Kick x x st immob Tanker: Spines: Impale x x st immob Tanker: Staff Fighting Innocuous Strikes x x cone immob Tanker: Arctic Mastery: Chilblain ✔ ✔ st immob Tanker: Earth Mastery: Stone Prison ✔ ✔ st immob Tanker: Leviathan Mastery: School of Sharks x x cone immob Tanker: Leviathan Mastery: Summon Guardian>Stone Prison ✔ x pet immob Villain Pets.Coral Guardian Sentinel.Stone Prison Tanker: Mace Mastery: Web Envelope x x taoe immob Tanker: Mace Mastery: Summon Blaster>Web ✔ ✔ pet immob Villain Pets.Arachnobot Blaster.Web Tanker: Mu Mastery: Electrifying Fences ✔ ✔ taoe immob Tanker: Pyre Mastery: Ring of Fire ✔ ✔ st immob Tanker: Soul Mastery: Soul Tentacles x x cone immob AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Warshade: Umbral Blast: Gravimetric Snare x x st immob Link to make a copy of my compiled data - first page is organized by Set type instead of by AT, and is set up to be easily filterable. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16IIkp7Nte-EiHB0e1pKEqB_FwexecOljCZvV1ekdibw/copy Edited July 28, 2021 by Replacement 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 As mentioned above, there are also some Holds that get in on the KB reducing action: AT Power Set Power Name KB Protection KB Resistance Power Summary Misc Notes Blaster: Ice Manipulation: Freezing Touch ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Blaster: Tactical Arrow: Ice Arrow ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Blaster: Ice Blast: Freeze Ray ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Blaster: Ice Blast: Bitter Freeze Ray ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Blaster: Munitions Mastery: Cryo Freeze Ray ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Brute: Ice Melee: Freezing Touch ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Brute: Arctic Mastery: Block of Ice ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Controller: Earth Control: Fossilize x ✔ st hold HOLD Controller: Gravity Control: Gravity Distortion x ✔ st hold HOLD Controller: Gravity Control: Gravity Distortion Field x ✔ taoe hold HOLD Controller: Gravity Control: Singularity>Gravity Distortion ✔ ✔ pet ST hold PET HOLD Controller: Ice Control: Block of Ice x ✔ st hold HOLD Controller: Ice Control: Glacier x ✔ pbaoe hold HOLD Controller: Ice Control: Jack's Freezing Touch ✔ ✔ pet ST hold PET HOLD Controller: Trick Arrow: Ice Arrow x ✔ st hold HOLD Corruptor: Trick Arrow: Ice Arrow x ✔ st hold HOLD Corruptor: Ice Blast: Freeze Ray ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Corruptor: Ice Blast: Bitter Freeze Ray ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Defender: Trick Arrow: Ice Arrow x ✔ st hold HOLD Defender: Ice Blast: Freeze Ray ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Defender: Ice Blast: Bitter Freeze Ray ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Dominator: Earth Control: Fossilize x ✔ st hold HOLD Dominator: Gravity Control: Gravity Distortion x ✔ st hold HOLD Dominator: Gravity Control: Gravity Distortion Field x ✔ taoe hold HOLD Dominator: Gravity Control: Singularity>Gravity Distortion ✔ ✔ pet ST hold PET HOLD Dominator: Ice Control: Block of Ice x ✔ st hold HOLD Dominator: Ice Control: Glacier x ✔ pbaoe hold HOLD Dominator: Ice Control: Jack's Freezing Touch ✔ ✔ pet ST hold PET HOLD Mastermind: Trick Arrow: Ice Arrow x ✔ st hold HOLD Mastermind: Demon Summoning: Demon Prince>Block of Ice ✔ ✔ pet hold HOLD via Enchant Demon; Mastermind Pets.Demon Prince.Block of Ice Scrapper: Ice Melee: Freezing Touch ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Scrapper: Leviathan Mastery: Summon Guardian>Fossilize ✔ ✔ pet hold HOLD; Villain Pets.Coral Guardian Warder.Fossilize Sentinel: Ice Blast: Bitter Freeze Ray ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Sentinel: Ice Mastery: Block of Ice ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Stalker: Ice Melee: Freezing Touch ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Stalker: Leviathan Mastery: Summon Guardian>Fossilize ✔ ✔ pet hold HOLD; Villain Pets.Coral Guardian Warder.Fossilize Tanker: Ice Melee: Freezing Touch ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Tanker: Arctic Mastery: Block of Ice ✔ ✔ st hold HOLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 For the sake of completeness, I have included below the list of the game's Contain/Intangible powers. These all have "Immobilize" components but Do not have any Knockback stats. Are probably fine to exempt anyway. I always considered the Immobilizes in these powers as a necessary secondary effect to pull off the fiction they are conveying. But here they are! Controller: Gravity Control: Dimension Shift x x laoe intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Controller: Darkness Affinity: Black Hole x x taoe Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Controller: Force Field: Detention field x x st Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Controller: Sonic Resonance: Sonic Cage x x st Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Corruptor: Darkness Affinity: Black Hole x x taoe Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Corruptor: Force Field: Detention field x x st Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Corruptor: Sonic Resonance: Sonic Cage x x st Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Defender: Darkness Affinity: Black Hole x x taoe Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Defender: Force Field: Detention field x x st Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Defender: Sonic Resonance: Sonic Cage x x st Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Dominator: Gravity Control: Dimension Shift x x laoe intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Mastermind: Darkness Affinity: Black Hole x x taoe Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Mastermind: Force Field: Detention field x x st Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Mastermind: Sonic Resonance: Sonic Cage x x st Intangible Immob + INTANGIBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarverse Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Why has this gotten absolutely zero responses? As many people who complain about this in game, you would think this thread would be popping. Real disappointing when you speak up on complaints people have regularly, but you garner no support. I'm here to support, @Replacement 1 SFX and Music Mods by Solarverse (Consolidated) WP/EM God Mode Tank Guide and Build Help Support the Return of Missing Code for Sound Files! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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