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[ZemX]

23 minutes ago, shortguy on indom said:

ONLY IF THE PURPLE PATCH MODIFIER HAPPENS TO BE 1.  IF ITS DIFFERENT, ITS NOT 20%.

 

Yeah, my bad.  The res debuff reduces the damage resistance part but not purple patch part.  PP is like un-debuffable damage resistance in that respect.  So against a +4 AV you only get 9.6% better damage (rounding a little) out of that debuff.  In any case, it's not "0.15 effectiveness" as was previously mentioned in the thread.  Most commonly, it's 30% (+5) or 48% (+4) effective, which is still quite a bit better than nothing for a one-slot expense considering it's boosting all damage by that amount from all sources (i.e. not just you) if you are teaming.

[shortguy on indom]

• SO, RAN SOME DAMAGE NUMBERS.
• NOT WHAT I EXPECTED.
• RESISTABLE DAMAGE TO BE SPECIFIC.
• USED BOPPERS RES/DEBUFF GUIDE FOR FORMULA.
• ADDED SOME THINGS FOR REFERENCE.
• CAREFULL WITH THAT AXE EUGENE.

• GIVEN CONDITIONS:
  • 100 DAMAGE PER APPLICATION ATTACK (SMASHING)
  • ENEMY = +3 AV
  • OTHER DETAILS SHOWN BELOW.

 

 

Edited December 6 by shortguy on indom
note: 0.85 was used in error, a +3 AV is 0.86 ResMod close enough for government work.

[shortguy on indom]

• MY MAIN TAKEAWAYS:
  • EXAMPLE ABOVE HAD PLAYER CAST 100% RESDUFF ON ENEMY...
  • PURPLE PATCH MODIFIER NUMBER IS THE MAIN DRIVER, USED TWICE IN FORMULA.
  • RES DOES NOT CASCADE ON ENEMY, WORKS ON BASE NUMBERS WITH EACH APPLICATION.
  • MAYBE WITH DAMAGE SET-BONUSES.  LOL.

[Auroxis]

14 hours ago, ZemX said:

 

Yeah, my bad.  The res debuff reduces the damage resistance part but not purple patch part.  PP is like un-debuffable damage resistance in that respect.  So against a +4 AV you only get 9.6% better damage (rounding a little) out of that debuff.  In any case, it's not "0.15 effectiveness" as was previously mentioned in the thread.  Most commonly, it's 30% (+5) or 48% (+4) effective, which is still quite a bit better than nothing for a one-slot expense considering it's boosting all damage by that amount from all sources (i.e. not just you) if you are teaming.

It's 65% because level shift turns +4's into +3's effectively.

[ZemX]

4 hours ago, Auroxis said:

It's 65% because level shift turns +4's into +3's effectively.

 

If you're a 50 Incarnate playing the game at 45+, sure.

Edited December 6 by ZemX

[Auroxis]

13 minutes ago, ZemX said:

 

If you're a 50 Incarnate playing the game at 45+, sure.

Getting +1 once you reach 50 is very easy nowadays, so are you implying that running low level AV content at +4 is a common affair?

[ZemX]

32 minutes ago, Auroxis said:

Getting +1 once you reach 50 is very easy nowadays, so are you implying that running low level AV content at +4 is a common affair?

 

This thread is about res debuffs and the purple patch, not what type of gameplay is most common.   I get that you seem to want to nitpick an irrelevant single word out of my post for no reason whatsoever, but I'm just not interested.  Anyone who is interested in what resMod applies their their own situation can look that up.  That's the point of this thread.

[ZemX]

13 hours ago, shortguy on indom said:

• SO, RAN SOME DAMAGE NUMBERS.
• NOT WHAT I EXPECTED.

 

I can't tell from your post which part you didn't expect.  The purple patch affects both incoming damage and debuffs, so it appears twice in the equation: once to reduce the incoming damage and again to reduce the total of all debuffs.  If it's the part about not cascading... yeah, I bet that isn't super common knowledge outside of people who play a lot of res-based toons.  

[Auroxis]

14 minutes ago, ZemX said:

 

This thread is about res debuffs and the purple patch, not what type of gameplay is most common.   I get that you seem to want to nitpick an irrelevant single word out of my post for no reason whatsoever, but I'm just not interested.  Anyone who is interested in what resMod applies their their own situation can look that up.  That's the point of this thread.

I'm just trying to keep things relevant, and pointing out obvious stuff like how level shifts work isn't relevant in the slightest.

[Doomguide2005]

2 hours ago, Auroxis said:

I'm just trying to keep things relevant, and pointing out obvious stuff like how level shifts work isn't relevant in the slightest.

And nothing prevented my lvl 10 from grabbing and using an Ultimate from my Email ... 

 

[shortguy on indom]

3 hours ago, ZemX said:

 

I can't tell from your post which part you didn't expect.  The purple patch affects both incoming damage and debuffs, so it appears twice in the equation: once to reduce the incoming damage and again to reduce the total of all debuffs.  If it's the part about not cascading... yeah, I bet that isn't super common knowledge outside of people who play a lot of res-based toons.  

• I NEVER WORKED OUT ACTUAL DAMAGE NUMBERS BEFORE NOW.
• ...WAS EXPECTING MORE ACTUAL DAMAGE DEALT IS ALL.
• THE WIKI LINK ON RES NEEDS TO BE PURGED.  LOL..  LIKED IT BETTER WITH THE "NO PURPLE PATCH" IN THE FORMULA AS THE WIKI HAD IT.
• STILL, DROPPING THE RES ON AN ENEMY HELPS QUITE A BIT. 
• BESIDES, WE HAVE PROCS OR MULTI-PROCS TO HELP US, DAMAGE ENHANCE/SET-BONUSES AND SOME POWERS TO BRING DAMAGE LEVEL BACK UP. 

 

[shortguy on indom]

• OK SO...
• SAME AS BEFORE: 100 DAMAGE ATTACK; 110% DAMAGE ENHANCEMENTS BEFORE ED (95 ISH AFTER ED).
• NOW ADDING 100% DAMAGE GLOBAL SET-BONUS VALUE...
• NOW DEBUFFING ENEMY RES OF AN +3AV TO ENEMY MINIMUM VALUE OF -300%
• (PRETTY MUCH MAXING OUT AT THIS POINT).

 

Edited December 6 by shortguy on indom
THE "3" IS ACTUALLY 300%... IGNORE THE 100% NEXT TO IT, JUST A DESCRIPTION AND NOT PART OF CALC.