Ironheart Trailer

[Excraft]

8 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

Corporations, governments, institutions, etc. don't fund you to do what you want. They fund you to serve their own interests. You would get a paycheck and access to a lab. There would be layers of oversight and supervision and she would not own the technology she was making.

 

That's not always universally true.  She also could, you know, negotiate like intelligent people do.  "Sorry, you can't have my armor, but I'll build you this instead which would be just as profitable for you"... like the Vibranium detector.  

 

10 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

What people are allowed to say is up to the mods. If you don't want people pushing back on your ideas, stop quoting them. Or say something like "this is just how I feel don't argue with me about it." Something like that. 🙂

 

You didn't answer the question.   Is there anything that people are allowed to question or criticize or dislike with this stuff?   I'm not asking Mods. 

[Ghost]

37 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

 

 What people are allowed to say is up to the mods. If you don't want people pushing back on your ideas, stop quoting them. Or say something like "this is just how I feel don't argue with me about it." Something like that. 🙂

If only I had known it was this easy.

 

Okay.

I think The Marvels sucked.

I think Accolade was an abomination.

I haven’t seen Ironheart because it looked like crap.

I think Battlewraith and TableTopRPG are paid shills.

 

This is just how I feel, don’t argue with me about it!

 

🤭🤭🤭

[battlewraith]

2 minutes ago, Excraft said:

That's not always universally true.  She also could, you know, negotiate like intelligent people do.  "Sorry, you can't have my armor, but I'll build you this instead which would be just as profitable for you"... like the Vibranium detector.  

 

Can you point me to some examples of intelligent people approaching corporations or universities and negotiating the funding of their own tech project by delivering some other tech gadget that the financial entity is supposed to...pay up front for? Or Riri's going to work some other tech job in order to gradually finance her own project? Just wanna get an idea what that looks like since it's what intelligent people do. 

 

55 minutes ago, Excraft said:

You didn't answer the question.   Is there anything that people are allowed to question or criticize or dislike with this stuff?   I'm not asking Mods.

 

I literally gave you the most straightforward answer to the question. These are not my forums, I do not allow things. If you're asking something else, reframe the question. 

[battlewraith]

29 minutes ago, Ghost said:

If only I had known it was this easy.

 

I love it. Well done!

I don't want to be wasting my time with people who don't want actual discussion of something.

Keep posting your memes and doing your emojis.

It's all good man. 

[Ghost]

51 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

I love it. Well done!

I don't want to be wasting my time with people who don't want actual discussion of something.

Keep posting your memes and doing your emojis.

It's all good man. 

Glad you saw the humor in it

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

BTW, for those who didn't make it to the end, a new friend has arrived:

Spoiler

 

Yes, the worst kept secret in Marvel history. Sacha Baron Cohen has shown up as Mephisto.

And RiRi seems to have pulled a full face-hell turn...

 

...but this still doesn't mean either character has a future if the series tanks hard.

SB-C did get a pretty decent scene out of it though, and signals his pure evilness by distorted speech, shifting inexplicably between NYC and Cockney, and worst of all, eating pizza with a knife and fork.

 

[Excraft]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

Can you point me to some examples of intelligent people approaching corporations or universities and negotiating the funding of their own tech project by delivering some other tech gadget that the financial entity is supposed to...pay up front for? Or Riri's going to work some other tech job in order to gradually finance her own project? Just wanna get an idea what that looks like since it's what intelligent people do. 

 

Come on, this isn't rocket science.  Riri invented a Vibranium detector.  She can't sell it or the patent to it to some company for big money?  What do you think something like that would be worth?  She created an all new AI system on the show.  She can't sell that for money to an AI firm?  She can't develop other technologies or devices that she can turn around and sell to large corporations for huge sums of money and use those funds to finance her personal armor project?  What's the difficulty in understanding that?  Tesla sold all kinds of inventions to make money.  Riri Williams super genius can't?  

 

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

I literally gave you the most straightforward answer to the question. These are not my forums, I do not allow things. If you're asking something else, reframe the question. 

 

I understand that these aren't your forums.  It's not what I asked you.

[BrandX]

3 hours ago, JKCarrier said:

I'm aware. But tell it to @BrandX, who kept trying to argue that breaking the law is the only thing a character should ever be criticized for or feel guilty about. And once I pointed out that most of the Avengers have indeed broken the law at some point, they were suddenly no longer interested in discussing the law. 😁

 

I recall replying about how being an assassin for a government agency means they weren't a criminal.  Said something about her wanting to get red of her ledger as if that means she was a criminal?  Soldiers can have red on their ledger.

[battlewraith]

1 hour ago, Excraft said:

What's the difficulty in understanding that?

Nothing. It just sounds worse than what they're doing and we already had that with Tony. Maybe she'll end up rich. 

Starting off at twenty, it seems better to not have her flush with cash. If Tesla's your model of a genius inventor, he was not that successful starting out. 

He would end up making a lot of money, but also lose patents and suffer professional and financial setbacks. He ended his career with limited resources and was evicted multiple times. And this was the late 1800s/ early 1900s. 

 

2 hours ago, Excraft said:

I understand that these aren't your forums.  It's not what I asked you.

 

My bad, I thought you were asking something relevant to this conversation here on the forums. If this is some philosophical reflection on what people are allowed to do, maybe look to Buddha, Jesus, Nietzsche, Aristotle, modern neuroscience, etc.  for the answers you seek. It's a bit above my paygrade. 

[Excraft]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

Nothing. It just sounds worse than what they're doing and we already had that with Tony.

 

I completely disagree.  You can't get much worse than what these "writers" came up with for that part of her story.

 

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

If Tesla's your model of a genius inventor, he was not that successful starting out. 

He would end up making a lot of money, but also lose patents and suffer professional and financial setbacks. He ended his career with limited resources and was evicted multiple times. And this was the late 1800s/ early 1900s. 

 

All of which is irrelevant to the story of Ironheart.  Riri is supposed to be a super genius who's smarter than Stark, Pym, Gates and Tesla.  People less smart than her could come up with technologies they could sell for big money to fund their personal projects, but Riri can't? 

 

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

My bad, I thought you were asking something relevant to this conversation here on the forums.

 

I guess you're just going to continue to evade the question.  No problem.

[battlewraith]

10 minutes ago, Excraft said:

I completely disagree.  You can't get much worse than what these "writers" came up with for that part of her story.

These "writers" lol. The scorn over this show runs deep.

16 minutes ago, Excraft said:

Riri is supposed to be a super genius who's smarter than Stark, Pym, Gates and Tesla.  People less smart than her could come up with technologies they could sell for big money to fund their personal projects, but Riri can't? 

 

You keep repeating the bit about how she's supposed to be smarter than Stark. You sound offended by the character whether she's making bad decisions or not.

Riri is 20 years old. Stark was born wealthy. Pym was a professional biochemist. Gates was able to borrow money from his parents to buy DOS and license it to IBM when he was 25. Tesla I already talked about. It's not that Riri can't make money, it's that you are miffed that she hasn't done it now, when none of the other people mentioned had accomplished anything of that significance when they were just out of their teens (although Stark graduated from MIT at 17). 

 

39 minutes ago, Excraft said:

I guess you're just going to continue to evade the question.  No problem.

 

That's good. It was a dumb question. And you didn't like the answers.

[Excraft]

8 hours ago, battlewraith said:

These "writers" lol. The scorn over this show runs deep.

 

I don't "scorn" the writers or the show.  You'll note I've said the show wasn't all that bad and there's just one or two parts I find badly written.  I just don't find the writers work on parts of this series well done and fleshed out.  Is that ok with you?  

 

8 hours ago, battlewraith said:

You keep repeating the bit about how she's supposed to be smarter than Stark.

 

That's not me.  That's the dialogue from Wakanda Forever and Ironheart.  

 

8 hours ago, battlewraith said:

You sound offended by the character whether she's making bad decisions or not.

 

I'm not offended, nor do I dislike that she's making poor choices.  Most superheroes do at one point or another.  That's part of her journey.  I'm offering my opinion on an aspect of the story that I don't find particularly well conceived that makes the character unrelatable for me.  Again, is this ok with you?

 

8 hours ago, battlewraith said:

Pym was a professional biochemist. Gates was able to borrow money from his parents to buy DOS and license it to IBM when he was 25. Tesla I already talked about. It's not that Riri can't make money, it's that you are miffed that she hasn't done it now, when none of the other people mentioned had accomplished anything of that significance when they were just out of their teens (although Stark graduated from MIT at 17). 

 

You'll note Pym, Stark, Gates and Tesla didn't need to turn to a life of crime to achieve what they did.  But ok, let's set those few examples aside.  Here are a few more from the real world. 

• Mozart wrote his first concerto at 17. 
• Blaise Pascal wrote a treatise on vibrating bodies at age 9.  
• Enrico Fermi published his first scientific papers at age 19 and earned his doctorate at 21. 
• Isaac Newton wrote his paper on the Binomial Theorem at age 22. 
• Albert Einstein published his Annus Mirabilis at age 26. 
• Alan Turing became a fellow at Cambridge at 24 and published his "On Computable Numbers" paper at age 24.  

Surely Riri Williams - super genius - is at least on par with some of them?  I can list many more if you like.  By the way, none of those examples needed to turn to crime either.  Also, I'm not "miffed" she hasn't already made millions.  I find it poorly written that someone of her talents and intellect decides to waste her opportunities, of which there would be many open to her... many that wouldn't be available to anyone else.  Yes, I don't like to see people waste their potential and blow their opportunities.

 

8 hours ago, battlewraith said:

Stark was born wealthy.

 

So what?  How did his money help him when he created his first armor?  Stark built the miniature arc reactor and that armor in cave from literal scraps.  His money had nothing to do with it and was of no help to him there.

 

8 hours ago, battlewraith said:

That's good. It was a dumb question. And you didn't like the answers.

 

It was the answer that was dumb and evasive.  I already know the answer - you don't like other people offering criticisms of things that you like, and it's very clear that no amount of criticism, no matter how minor, is acceptable for you.  

Edited Thursday at 11:20 AM by Excraft

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, Excraft said:

 

I don't "scorn" the writers or the show.  You'll note I've said the show wasn't all that bad and there's just one or two parts I find badly written.  I just don't find the writers work on parts of this series well done and fleshed out.  Is that ok with you?  

 

 

 

Apparently the word “bad” is not allowed in any MCU related thread.

 

The hell with your opinions, because they are wrong!

 

 

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

I'm right! (about minor thing or analogy)

 - NO!  I'm right (about the same thing)

You're stupid and can't read

 - And you are a poopyhead 

 

That's what these threads read like.  Can we do better, please.

 

Also:

 

https://clip.cafe/stand-by-me-1986/what-are-you-s15/

 

Edited Thursday at 01:20 PM by GM_GooglyMoogly

[TTRPGWhiz]

So lock it.

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

3 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

So lock it.

No.

[TTRPGWhiz]

Then create an actual Block button. 

I know y'all are volunteers, but god damn, are you terrible at forum moderation. This thread has been a trainwreck for weeks, and the people who post the most are doing nothing but sniping at each other. 

Do better or let someone who knows what they're doing take over.

[battlewraith]

10 minutes ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

That's what these threads read like.  Can we do better, please.

 

They read like opportunities for people who don't like the MCU to vent (generally the same people). 

1. The thread is started by someone who has no intention of watching it.

2. Many of the replies are from people who think it looks bad and have no intention of watching it (or congratulate themselves for dodging a bullet because their favorite influencer said it was bad).

3. Some people will claim that it was ok, but will nonetheless relentlessly hammer some point that they think is unacceptable. 

4. Obligatory complaining about "we're not allowed to say anything bad."

 

I'm not sure what better looks like under these conditions.

[Ghost]

11 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

They read like opportunities for people who don't like the MCU to vent (generally the same people). 

1. The thread is started by someone who has no intention of watching it.

2. Many of the replies are from people who think it looks bad and have no intention of watching it (or congratulate themselves for dodging a bullet because their favorite influencer said it was bad).

3. Some people will claim that it was ok, but will nonetheless relentlessly hammer some point that they think is unacceptable. 

4. Obligatory complaining about "we're not allowed to say anything bad."

 

I'm not sure what better looks like under these conditions.

Umm, the thread title is “Ironheart Trailer”, which we have all seen and all have opinions on.

 

We should be able to give our opinion without having to worry about being told “you’re wrong!”

 

Wouldnt you at least agree with that?

 

 

Edited Thursday at 01:53 PM by Ghost

[TTRPGWhiz]

5 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

They read like opportunities for people who don't like the MCU to vent (generally the same people). 

1. The thread is started by someone who has no intention of watching it.

2. Many of the replies are from people who think it looks bad and have no intention of watching it (or congratulate themselves for dodging a bullet because their favorite influencer said it was bad).

3. Some people will claim that it was ok, but will nonetheless relentlessly hammer some point that they think is unacceptable. 

4. Obligatory complaining about "we're not allowed to say anything bad."

 

I'm not sure what better looks like under these conditions.

I especially like when one of the Grognards of the Apocalypse accused (I'm sure "sarcastically") a couple of other posters of being "paid shills". No brainrot there whatsoever.

I guess we can just say whatever we want as long as it comports with the worldviews and opinions of the mods. It was one of them who first mentioned Critical Drinker, after all. I would never have known who that person was without a mod bringing them into the convo (in the exact same way as other CD boosters; "he said it's bad so now I don't have to watch it"). Also why things like "woke mind virus" aren't considered political. 

[TTRPGWhiz]

16 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Umm, the thread title is “Ironheart Trailer”, which we have all seen and all have opinions on.

 

We should be able to give our opinion without having to worry about being told “you’re wrong!”

 

Wouldnt you at least agree with that?

 

 

If you can find a single instance in this thread of anyone saying that an opinion is wrong, I will send you money.

[battlewraith]

15 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Wouldnt you at least agree with that?

 

I don't think that is how these forums work generally speaking. If I go to suggestions or even general discussion there will be an abundance of people who will gleefully inform me that I'm wrong if I make a suggestion about the game that they don't agree with. 

 

 

[ZacKing]

30 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

Then create an actual Block button. 

I know y'all are volunteers, but god damn, are you terrible at forum moderation. This thread has been a trainwreck for weeks, and the people who post the most are doing nothing but sniping at each other. 

Do better or let someone who knows what they're doing take over.

 

I really don't think insulting volunteer forum mods is a good thing to do and isn't going to result in the outcome you're hoping for.  If anything, Googly has been fair in handling this thread.  Like it or not, as much as you and a couple of others want to lament about "a few posters complaining", there's also the other side of the coin with "a few posters" feeling the need to post nothing but glowing reviews and loving anything and everything that gets put in front of them.  Nobody is right or wrong and they're just opinions.  But if I'm going to be honest, soon as someone says something that isn't lavish praise of the latest Marvel flick, they're jumped all over.  The same people being attacked here are also the same people who have repeatedly said that others are welcome to their opinion. 

 

By the way ... I also notice that whenever something positive is said about a comic film or TV show, you're mysteriously silent about it and have nothing to say.  That's very telling.

 

34 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

Some people will claim that it was ok, but will nonetheless relentlessly hammer some point that they think is unacceptable.

 

What's wrong with saying that there's parts of the story that they don't like and thought could be better?  I honestly don't get it.  

[ZacKing]

36 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

I'm not sure what better looks like under these conditions.

 

What might look better is you actually saying "I disagree with you, but can respect your opinion" instead of relentlessly hammering others over any objection, no matter how insignificant or slight.  Some people here don't like that Riri turned to crime to fund her projects.  Other than that, it seems like they like the show otherwise.  What's wrong with that?  

[ZacKing]

28 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

I especially like when one of the Grognards of the Apocalypse accused (I'm sure "sarcastically") a couple of other posters of being "paid shills". No brainrot there whatsoever.

 

No offense, but maybe take a step back and read what you wrote here.  You're being just as insulting as you claim others are being to you.  If you liked Ironheart, that's great.  I'm happy for you.  I hope they continue her story so you can enjoy the character more.  I won't begrudge anyone who didn't like it though.  That's their prerogative.