CraterLabs Posted Wednesday at 10:58 PM Posted Wednesday at 10:58 PM In the Your Personal Blog alignment Tip for Rogues, which becomes the "Stop the Blogger's Reign of Terror" mission, there are three heroes being held captive by Freakshow. I've tried running the mission twice now, and each time when I rescue the last hero, the blogger doesn't spawn because I've not technically saved all the heroes (which is fair because they, like... died). This level of gritty realism about the tricky nature of hostage scenarios has some potential, but not good for this mission. ๐ ย ย I've included this screenshot of the map. "Short-Cut" is my Rogue, with Leo Knight and Snow Maiden being the two rescued heroes on the map, and I *think* the red arrow is representing the dead hero/failed objective because no one's there, though I could also see it somehow being where the map wants to spawn the blogger. ย it's worth noting that when I tried this mission yesterday, the heroes are spawning at levels *way* below mine, like 18 or something while I was 51 and the Freakshow were all level 50. LeoKnight only survived yesterday because he was level thirty-something, and also an Elite Boss instead of just a regular boss, so he had some durability. I didn't see if the one who died today also spawned at low level, he died pretty much right when I rounded the corner (I was playing it safe with the other two and pulling aggro with teleport powers to draw them away. I'm guessing that I'll be able to finish the mission if I draw them away from possibly harming the captives, and I'll be trying that in a sec, but thought I should report this now while the mission's still incomplete.) 1
Rudra Posted Thursday at 12:00 AM Posted Thursday at 12:00 AM (edited) There are multiple bug report addressing this that explain what is going, but I'll explain again anyway. ย First, if you know the heroes are weak and vulnerable, which you can check beforehand by clicking the heroes and seeing they are grey, then it is time to draw the enemies away from the hostages. And that includes any enemies not part of the hostage spawn. If the enemies aren't anywhere near the hostages, the hostages won't take damage from AoEs being thrown at you, the hostages will survive. ย Second, that red arrow on your map is not a marker for the third hostage, dead or alive. It pops up on most maps after you have defeated all foes on the map. So you can ignore that extra arrow. The missing hostage would show up as a green arrow just like the other two. The missing hostage is not shown because like you said, that hostage died due to AoEs. ย (Edit: And yes, if you clear the map of all mission entered generated spawns and no other spawns have been generated, the map often treats itself as cleared for posting that arrow even if not all the required spawns have been spawned. Now if Flambeaux and her guards were to have spawned? Then that arrow would be present plus additional red arrows showing where her spawn is.) ย Edited Thursday at 12:11 AM by Rudra
Ridiculous Girl Posted Thursday at 04:49 AM Posted Thursday at 04:49 AM yeaaaaaah... i reported this back in 2019. @Faultlineย is there any way to solve this easily? making the hostages unkillable at least? because it a frequent bug, in relation to alignment missions.ย ย this is so old it's picking fights on the playground and stealing lunch money from baby heroes. ๐ย ย ย "I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours" the Cheshire Cat "Ce n'est rien de mourir; c'est affreux de ne pas vivre" (It's nothing to die, it's terrible not to live) Jean Valjean "ูุทู ุงูู ุฑุก ููุณ ู ูุงู ููุงุฏุชู ู ูููู ุงูู ูุงู ุงูุฐู ุชูุชูู ููู ูู ู ุญุงููุงุชู ูููุฑูุจโ (Home is not where you were born, home is where all your attempts to escape cease.) Naguib Mahfouz
Rudra Posted Thursday at 05:25 AM Posted Thursday at 05:25 AM (edited) I would rather it didn't change. This is one of the few instances where players are asked to think and not just charge in. Snow Maiden is a level 10-18 generic hero, Strongheart is a level 10-20 generic hero, and LeoKnight is a level 21-33 Longbow EB. They should be at risk from high level Freakshow. ย Edit: If you want a warning added? Sure, I can support that. I won't support changing the hostages to be invincible. I like having at least one mission where you have to evaluate the hostage's safety and act accordingly as a hero. ย Edited Thursday at 05:38 AM by Rudra 1
Ridiculous Girl Posted Thursday at 11:30 AM Posted Thursday at 11:30 AM 6 hours ago, Rudra said: Edit: If you want a warning added? Sure, I can support that. I won't support changing the hostages to be invincible. I like having at least one mission where you have to evaluate the hostage's safety and act accordingly as a hero. mission fail upon hostage death would be pretty entertaining... ๐ "I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours" the Cheshire Cat "Ce n'est rien de mourir; c'est affreux de ne pas vivre" (It's nothing to die, it's terrible not to live) Jean Valjean "ูุทู ุงูู ุฑุก ููุณ ู ูุงู ููุงุฏุชู ู ูููู ุงูู ูุงู ุงูุฐู ุชูุชูู ููู ูู ู ุญุงููุงุชู ูููุฑูุจโ (Home is not where you were born, home is where all your attempts to escape cease.) Naguib Mahfouz
Hedgefund2 Posted Thursday at 12:00 PM Posted Thursday at 12:00 PM Mission failure would be better than nothing.ย As is you're simply stuck, unable to proceed which is not an acceptable outcome, period. ย I have a vague recollection of this that it had been fixed, maybe it was on test and never pushed live.ย Maybe I'll get my CB rights revoked for mentioning that but it's also possible I'm misremembering (though I'm pretty dang sure there was a fix)
Rudra Posted Thursday at 05:05 PM Posted Thursday at 05:05 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, Ridiculous Girl said: mission fail upon hostage death would be pretty entertaining... ๐ ย 5 hours ago, Hedgefund2 said: Mission failure would be better than nothing.ย As is you're simply stuck, unable to proceed which is not an acceptable outcome, period. Mission failure would result in bug reports of the mission being a guaranteed fail, and so incompletable, slowing down progress on the tip bar to getting the morality. ย Edit: Also, you aren't stuck. You can reset the mission and knowing that the hostages can die preventing mission completion, take steps to keep them from dying. ย Edited Thursday at 05:12 PM by Rudra
lemming Posted Thursday at 05:39 PM Posted Thursday at 05:39 PM 5 hours ago, Hedgefund2 said: Mission failure would be better than nothing.ย As is you're simply stuck, unable to proceed which is not an acceptable outcome, period. ย I have a vague recollection of this that it had been fixed, maybe it was on test and never pushed live.ย Maybe I'll get my CB rights revoked for mentioning that but it's also possible I'm misremembering (though I'm pretty dang sure there was a fix) One of the devs wanted to document all the missions that had hostages that could die before rescue flagged.ย Especially ones that left you in limbo.ย I looked around yesterday but couldn't find the thread. 1
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