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What's the conventional wisdom on which is better to chase? My gut says +res simply because /Regen has one +res power (which gets to ~16%) but no native +def. I'm also finding +res set bonii are far easier to come by, which is also pushing me in that direction, Does that jive with others' experience? (Water primary if that's relevant.)

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Personally, I like to not aim for either exclusively, and instead get the best "bang for your buck" option for individual slots. Which translates to ~20% def to all (steadfast, gladiator, weave, CJ, maneuvers, full gaussian set), 8% res to all and rising (Shield Wall, Reactive defenses), probably 30-40%ish S/L res through Tough and bonuses and some decent F/C res through purple sets and winter sets.

Building this way gives you a lot of potential upside with powers like Barrier, purple and orange inspirations, team buffs, and so on.

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3 hours ago, nihilii said:

Personally, I like to not aim for either exclusively, and instead get the best "bang for your buck" option for individual slots. Which translates to ~20% def to all (steadfast, gladiator, weave, CJ, maneuvers, full gaussian set), 8% res to all and rising (Shield Wall, Reactive defenses), probably 30-40%ish S/L res through Tough and bonuses and some decent F/C res through purple sets and winter sets.

Building this way gives you a lot of potential upside with powers like Barrier, purple and orange inspirations, team buffs, and so on.

^ This is the conventional wisdom for Regen regardless of AT.  The answer is not about what is mutually exclusive, but instead what helps the most without compromising too much offense. 
 

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Something like this? (No purples or winters cause I'm a po'boy!)

 

Hero Plan by Hero Hero Designer 2.23
https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer

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Splash Damage: Level 50 Natural Sentinel
Primary Power Set: Water Blast
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Ninja Tool Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Aqua Bolt

  • (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
  • (39) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (39) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (39) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 1: Fast Healing

  • (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
  • (46) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance

Level 2: Water Burst

  • (A) Opportunity Strikes - Accuracy/Damage
  • (3) Opportunity Strikes - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (3) Opportunity Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (5) Opportunity Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (5) Opportunity Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (31) Opportunity Strikes - RechargeTime/Chance for Opportunity

Level 4: Quick Recovery

  • (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
  • (17) Performance Shifter - EndMod
  • (17) Endurance Modification IO

Level 6: Hydro Blast

  • (A) Sentinel's Ward - Accuracy/Damage
  • (7) Sentinel's Ward - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (7) Sentinel's Ward - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (9) Sentinel's Ward - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (9) Sentinel's Ward - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (31) Sentinel's Ward - RechargeTime/Chance for +Absorb

Level 8: Hover

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  • (23) Karma - Knockback Protection
  • (37) Freebird - +Stealth

Level 10: Instant Regeneration

  • (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
  • (11) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
  • (11) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
  • (36) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime

Level 12: Reconstruction

  • (A) Numina's Convalesence - Heal
  • (13) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
  • (13) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
  • (15) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance
  • (36) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 14: Whirlpool

  • (A) Annihilation - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (15) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (36) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (37) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 16: Tidal Forces

  • (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
  • (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
  • (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
  • (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
  • (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
  • (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance

Level 18: Water Jet

  • (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
  • (19) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
  • (19) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
  • (21) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (21) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (31) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 20: Integration

  • (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
  • (23) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
  • (25) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
  • (25) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime

Level 22: Dismiss Pain

  • (A) Miracle - +Recovery
  • (46) Preventive Medicine - Heal
  • (50) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance

Level 24: Hasten

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (34) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 26: Steam Spray

  • (A) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage
  • (27) Annihilation - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (27) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (29) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (29) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (37) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 28: Resilience

  • (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
  • (45) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
  • (45) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
  • (45) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
  • (50) Unbreakable Guard - RechargeTime/Resistance
  • (50) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP

Level 30: Fly

  • (A) Flight Speed IO

Level 32: Geyser

  • (A) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage
  • (33) Annihilation - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (33) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (33) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (34) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (34) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 35: Second Wind

  • (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge

Level 38: Moment of Glory

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  • (40) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage
  • (40) Reactive Defenses - Defense/RechargeTime

Level 41: Combat Jumping

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 44: Kick

  • (A) Empty

Level 47: Tough

  • (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (48) Aegis - Resistance
  • (48) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (48) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge

Level 49: Tashibishi

  • (A) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 1: Brawl

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

  • (A) Empty

Level 2: Rest

  • (A) Empty

Level 4: Ninja Run


Level 2: Swift

 

Edit: Dunno why Stamina and Health aren't showing in the export. Anyway, they are:

Stamina: (A) P'Shift +end, (43) P'Shift endmod

Health: (A) RgnTiss +regen, (40) Pnc +hp/+end, (46) Nmn +reg/+rcv

  

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So many alts, so little time...

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I have a 50 water/rad Sentinel. No special IOs.

 

Water blast - looks good

* Whirlpool - I slot slows and -def. Primary to keep mobs grouped while AOE-ing

 

Regen

* Moment of glory is very situational. I personally would drop it for weave. A power that will constantly provide defense.

 

Night Pixie on Excelsior

Introduction to Arachnos Widows - Night/Blood/Fortunata

 

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2 hours ago, KaizenSoze said:

Regen

* Moment of glory is very situational. I personally would drop it for weave. A power that will constantly provide defense.

 

I put MoG at the end of my Regen builds to mule Steadfast Protection +3% Defense (or a LotG +7.5% Global Recharge).

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Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting

Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior

Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable

Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer

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On My Fire/Regen Sentinel (50+1 atm), I decided that since I couldn't cap either defense or resistance, I'd just lean into more recharge, recovery, and regen.  I figure I'd just do my best to heal my way through the damage, rather than avoid/absorb it.  I did take Hover, Leadership, and Fighting to get as much def/res as possible, but even then it's not much of those.  I 4-slotted Kick and Tough for the defense bonuses in Kinetic Combat and Unbreakable Guard, respectively.

 

This is the build I'm working towards (I still need to earn more Inf/Merits to get the best enhancements):

 

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.962
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Wrathfire: Level 50 Science Sentinel
Primary Power Set: Fire Blast
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Flares

  • (A) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage
  • (3) Devastation - Damage/Endurance
  • (3) Devastation - Damage/Recharge
  • (5) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (5) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (7) Devastation - Chance of Hold

Level 1: Fast Healing

  • (A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
  • (7) Numina's Convalesence - Heal
  • (9) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
  • (50) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance

Level 2: Fire Blast

  • (A) Apocalypse - Damage
  • (11) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
  • (11) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (13) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (13) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
  • (15) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 4: Quick Recovery

  • (A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
  • (15) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
  • (17) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
  • (17) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (19) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
  • (19) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance

Level 6: Blaze

  • (A) Superior Opportunity Strikes - Accuracy/Damage
  • (21) Superior Opportunity Strikes - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (21) Superior Opportunity Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (23) Superior Opportunity Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (23) Superior Opportunity Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (25) Superior Opportunity Strikes - RechargeTime/Chance for Opportunity

Level 8: Hasten

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (25) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 10: Instant Regeneration

  • (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
  • (27) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb
  • (27) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
  • (29) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (29) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
  • (31) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance

Level 12: Hover

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  • (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 14: Fly

  • (A) Flight Speed IO

Level 16: Dismiss Pain

  • (A) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration

Level 18: Blazing Blast

  • (A) Superior Sentinel's Ward - Accuracy/Damage
  • (33) Superior Sentinel's Ward - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (33) Superior Sentinel's Ward - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (33) Superior Sentinel's Ward - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (34) Superior Sentinel's Ward - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (34) Superior Sentinel's Ward - RechargeTime/Chance for +Absorb

Level 20: Integration

  • (A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
  • (34) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge
  • (36) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
  • (36) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
  • (36) Panacea - Heal
  • (37) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance

Level 22: Assault

  • (A) Endurance Reduction IO
  • (37) Endurance Reduction IO
  • (37) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 24: Tactics

  • (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
  • (39) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
  • (39) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance

Level 26: Rain of Fire

  • (A) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage
  • (39) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance
  • (40) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (40) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (40) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  • (42) Superior Frozen Blast - Recharge/Chance for Immobilize

Level 28: Resilience

  • (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
  • (50) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 30: Maneuvers

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  • (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (43) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 32: Inferno

  • (A) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage
  • (43) Superior Avalanche - Damage/Endurance
  • (43) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (45) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (45) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (45) Superior Avalanche - Recharge/Chance for Knockdown

Level 35: Kick

  • (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
  • (46) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
  • (46) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
  • (46) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 38: Tough

  • (A) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP
  • (48) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
  • (48) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
  • (48) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime

Level 41: Weave

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  • (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 44: Second Wind

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 47: Moment of Glory

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 49: Afterburner

  • (A) Flight Speed IO

Level 1: Brawl

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

  • (A) Celerity - +Stealth

Level 2: Rest

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 1: Health

  • (A) Miracle - +Recovery

Level 1: Hurdle

  • (A) Jumping IO

Level 1: Stamina

  • (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
  • (9) Performance Shifter - EndMod

Level 1: Swift

  • (A) Flight Speed IO

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Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting

Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior

Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable

Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer

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Great thoughts, thanks for all the replies. The MoG comments do make sense, I'll likely push it to 47/49 to mule a LotG.

 

@Rathulfr, I'll prolly use parts of your build as a template to see where I can squeeze in those higher defenses, and push my regen numbers a bit more too.

 

30 levels down, 20 to go!

@Cutter

 

So many alts, so little time...

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