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Thanks for the input! I dont need to be the highest damage tank by any means, but savage melee was very underwhelming. I just tested dark/ice and it is better damage overall. I like the sustain and that i am virtually unkillable, but still a little slow on clear speeds. I haven't had any experience with bio or rad armor - i may play around with those a bit and see what i can come up with.

tested this build on test, and the survive ability was great with obscure sustenance, but the damage output was very underwhelming. tested on some PI radio missions and nothing died. I Think i am going to try fire or ice out. Leaning toward ice since i have a shield/fire tanker already.

Any recs on SM? I started building this toon on test after you suggested it but I didn't finish getting the IOs in. I was going to test out the attacks and see which ones I liked.

I know it is a good heal but i thought obscure sustenance was preferred since DA is so end heavy. From what i could find on the forums it seems like most builds take obscure sustenance since it was released. I actually don't know how to get on the test sever. I am sure that is on the forums somewhere - i will look into that and give it a whirl.

I am looking for some feedback on a new dark/savage tanker i am cooking up. I know dark is very sturdy and now has some tools to help with endurance. I am not sure if i should be building for more layered defense or what. For Savage, i honestly have no idea what powers are worth it. I saw some builds with no shred, i hear hemorrhage is not good but the damage looks great. Honestly just not 100% sure what the play style is but it seems cool. Any/all feedback welcome. Here is what i have so far: Hero Tanker Build plan made with Mids Reborn v3.7.14 rev. 3 ────────────────────────────── Primary powerset: Dark ArmorSecondary powerset: Savage MeleePool powerset (#1): SpeedPool powerset (#2): LeapingPool powerset (#3): FightingPool powerset (#4): Force of WillEpic powerset: Psionic Mastery ────────────────────────────── Powers taken: Level 1: Dark Embrace A: Unbreakable Guard: +Max HP3: Unbreakable Guard: Resistance3: Unbreakable Guard: Resistance/Endurance5: Unbreakable Guard: Endurance/RechargeTime40: Steadfast Protection: Resistance/+Def 3%42: Gladiator's Armor: TP Protection +3% Def (All) Level 1: Savage Strike A: Superior Might of the Tanker: Accuracy/Damage5: Superior Might of the Tanker: Damage/Recharge7: Superior Might of the Tanker: Accuracy/Damage/Recharge7: Superior Might of the Tanker: Damage/Endurance/Recharge9: Superior Might of the Tanker: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge9: Superior Might of the Tanker: Recharge/Chance for +Res(All) Level 2: Murky Cloud A: Unbreakable Guard: Resistance11: Unbreakable Guard: Resistance/Endurance11: Unbreakable Guard: Endurance/RechargeTime13: Unbreakable Guard: RechargeTime/Resistance42: Unbreakable Guard: Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime Level 4: Shred A: Fury of the Gladiator: Accuracy/Damage13: Fury of the Gladiator: Chance for Res Debuff15: Achilles' Heel: Chance for Res Debuff15: Touch of Lady Grey: Chance for Negative Damage17: Obliteration: Chance for Smashing Damage17: Perfect Zinger: Chance for Psi Damage Level 6: Obsidian Shield A: Unbreakable Guard: Resistance19: Unbreakable Guard: Resistance/Endurance19: Unbreakable Guard: Endurance/RechargeTime21: Unbreakable Guard: RechargeTime/Resistance Level 8: Hasten A: Invention: Recharge Reduction Level 10: Obscure Sustenance A: Theft of Essence: Healing23: Theft of Essence: Healing/Recharge23: Theft of Essence: Accuracy/Healing25: Theft of Essence: Accuracy/Endurance/Healing25: Theft of Essence: Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge27: Theft of Essence: Chance for +Endurance Level 12: Death Shroud A: Scirocco's Dervish: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance27: Scirocco's Dervish: Accuracy/Damage29: Scirocco's Dervish: Damage/Endurance Level 14: Combat Jumping A: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed21: Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) Level 16: Vicious Slash A: Superior Gauntleted Fist: Accuracy/Damage31: Superior Gauntleted Fist: Damage/RechargeTime31: Superior Gauntleted Fist: Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime31: Superior Gauntleted Fist: Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime33: Superior Gauntleted Fist: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime33: Superior Gauntleted Fist: RechargeTime/+Absorb Level 18: Boxing A: Touch of Death: Accuracy/Damage42: Touch of Death: Damage/Endurance Level 20: Tough A: Impervium Armor: Resistance/Endurance33: Impervium Armor: Resistance/Recharge34: Impervium Armor: Resistance/Endurance/Recharge37: Impervium Armor: Endurance/Recharge37: Impervium Armor: Resistance Level 22: Blood Thirst A: Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control: Chance for Build Up Level 24: Rending Flurry A: Superior Avalanche: Accuracy/Damage34: Superior Avalanche: Damage/Endurance34: Superior Avalanche: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance36: Superior Avalanche: Accuracy/Damage/Recharge36: Superior Avalanche: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge36: Superior Avalanche: Recharge/Chance for Knockdown Level 26: Oppressive Gloom A: Invention: Accuracy Level 28: Hemorrhage A: Superior Blistering Cold: Accuracy/Damage39: Superior Blistering Cold: Damage/Endurance39: Superior Blistering Cold: Accuracy/Damage/Endurance39: Superior Blistering Cold: Accuracy/Damage/Recharge40: Superior Blistering Cold: Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime40: Superior Blistering Cold: Recharge/Chance for Hold Level 30: Soul Transfer A: Doctored Wounds: Heal/Recharge Level 32: Savage Leap A: Armageddon: Damage43: Armageddon: Damage/Recharge43: Armageddon: Damage/Recharge/Accuracy45: Armageddon: Recharge/Accuracy45: Armageddon: Damage/Endurance45: Armageddon: Chance for Fire Damage Level 35: Weave A: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed46: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Endurance46: Luck of the Gambler: Defense46: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Endurance/Recharge Level 38: Dominate A: Gladiator's Javelin: Accuracy/Damage43: Ghost Widow's Embrace: Chance of Damage(Psionic)48: Gladiator's Javelin: Chance of Damage(Toxic)48: Apocalypse: Chance of Damage(Negative)48: Decimation: Chance of Build Up Level 41: Harmonic Mind A: Performance Shifter: Chance for +End Level 44: Cloak of Darkness A: Luck of the Gambler: Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed50: Shield Wall: +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)50: Reactive Defenses: Scaling Resist Damage Level 47: Super Speed A: Blessing of the Zephyr: Knockback Reduction (4 points) Level 49: Taunt A: Perfect Zinger: Accuracy/Recharge ────────────────────────────── Inherents: Level 1: Brawl (Empty) Level 1: Gauntlet Level 1: Sprint (Empty) Level 2: Rest (Empty) Level 1: Swift (Empty) Level 1: Health A: Numina's Convalesence: +Regeneration/+Recovery29: Miracle: +Recovery37: Panacea: +Hit Points/Endurance Level 1: Hurdle (Empty) Level 1: Stamina A: Performance Shifter: EndMod50: Performance Shifter: Chance for +End Level 1: Blood Frenzy Level 47: Speed Phase Tanker (Dark Armor - Savage Melee)with shred and hem.mbd

Here is my take on it. Someone helped me with this a while back (can probably find the thread). Very sturdy. You want to get all the +psi resistance uniques slotted, and build for that since it is a major hole. I went with energy mastery and physical perfection and still needed cardiac. Probably should look to fill the no heal issue by going Rebirth as your destiny. I am not capped at S/L resistance, but my other resistances are higher across the board. Tanker (Shield Defense - Fiery Melee) - 2025.mbd

I appreciate it @wRECk69. I mainly wanted to see what epic he had used and check some of the slotting. I have an ice/cold/mace i was respecing to Ice Mastery to get Hoarfrost. I ended up basically increasing defenses (was already soft capped to S/L and Ranged) and resistances across the board, maintained my existing recharge, added a heal, and kept my proc'd out attack chain. I feel like it is final form. Here it is if any are interested. |MBD;24687;1617;2156;BASE64;| |G25gACwKbBuZfSeOBuYtPTK/LkW69kzaVHk0Va0wdxn/YaxAlzG7WXS6+jptkvLoZSl| |Ae1elX/gXZv5U36b1ZO3ZltOOqP2SoMNgAW57P7//tdfUoRW1+FZG2LoKvTBbYHIhnM| |D7T3XXZXOqgB2gJpQa8PhK8WfVu9Oyq8uJqyMQQlWmKuIWZMfsAl0/Onk7dMkUiyKlo| |lu3PlirhVFGfmzw47oGJN+jhfN7XuY1QA9pdQteSZjAu7EBo7o4a+rvEQ5aSKP2XBYQ| |uJe2rl+ZxCP2Ko8GtSlF5NTnS3oD9bP6E1YtaBjOFvLij9/TFssdnvVxmuwX3fcyn72| |vaVoElW6fqGz9PM4c0qyqO47oIPK7hvdAHxDgCoe4DlKfEtiWNvdY3/UYwMvLSatYOS| |ttUvWsdMM0s+o3sCX9YZMKmHZ/k+Lc7GqDoXVM77aWSTpVJhZu5t6SPN1PryS3drhW4| |3djPrK4Krda0qpcb/sS3lvT03Y+dbe45r5bV4+wGwGrT/VKRbN4s6/cDxJXB71xmjkF| |yyPvasajUS1gyZjq8jlktKBz2Z1QtQ2DWm4aWeV0stdJ/xu03IIGGnxXbWFyQ4PwB9+| |efWj5UesusCesgZodkfSA/+Aqa2GQ1uy/Vf95xlvjpYBAEXjbeClQoBi8PfDbMXsrLm| |ttYoXNR9gZVw23gwsi9xKVpww3UnhwPuld95fTmAwxL3YJPguD0G9RRVIFVOBMjpEad| |aSg7YRow1s/b4EOUvTeC4RjBbTbHXNhUP/HeslZhszTQJMuSliNlsc+WJN2jwmrkwZB| |bF4QCbzIdmI2GU0I2Fd4tqwjRLMtrpCxOB6ZtKSxy5ex8HwoYtczNxHO28wHF3V7tmJ| |Mxg2UD+IvzvIklbNgrMUdGJ6lG0omRAk1zUwujXj73PF9eAA/oI2/V7gXGd8EW1J3tA| |C4DQ4j6EV5CJdHUsdPqFhCnpNtuJccViYXje09JG5ZnqlbkT6iVW7PopsMfyXZfAR3N| |Bap89/N8s76vRIyvwdr8juB8N2dMCbtnwAqgDl8jMlmjCeOikUJ7BbPvgOXy72KUDpm| |9x2X2OVDOeWk75zaFyjEO2cDxgCQHLQowuWnMCorZabN8phTIWpdlVvvBCjJmHi3PlF| |fUUbFR6dflLuwFiG9v4wrnnHiJA8v34jDwxy6zbkLPDA8XajIFLs4/NfxxLq/g0Ssny| |mlCkHpR+CL0ixPqH0xGMgkG8ahqBODdJAz1cr50XBvEvXdDCVYYu0+zr5PRC/p5H5N7| |gEul3mVRv+JBrlHbYO2UI6kV0tCSwGMIkAraZCZBk6/CecT6G8xeTWx6EGk7KZG5Ldq| |EdsnJWzPBxsEZ68Mi6VFS2Xi4UWp8vPDMTgMPDA8v628g5dBY0MLUfG54Ms4/OuRe6S| |98jqMwCMUIfAEngkCWkGRrbPnLp7CC4X7ednoAe+fChQFAQsGJF6/qJa05RISdldwUV| |XXbFuIax64snamuc4SwFzca0fzKpny40NByYZ/xPw2XomkvL1/6U2Mt3sOgRIOZKIM7| |qAKPBN4skBV6KVANehl8MkhJba1KsQ5bvd93Utg2xZkbXcfWeBxchaZwPc/dkCXFs0n| |BFySuj7BzceEmFaNBUdEy5kkVUhuWMBCyrp/NvENDw//gbGQywbghpI9HeoDGeEDGeE| |DGUPLQPXg+Bv4CXEFfKHmNd/jQcF4JZXdzKOqoQSlaopJGYYPgRur0iuHwyhE/k01Ig| |QE+1UWiB5u3QtMpzGFRDUINyAEZPd0a2vQQjMWF6/OcYZnPROBA8P5nzTtKcZJ4vZkR| |cJ69sKHJlxdQl0BjMKHgboOcEtu0NvNmxD2GJ4NfM603i0lp9w6gpKuQs4rIvdLtQGR| |YLwyGDIDBfDGfIa3beGdKWw53YbebHanHwxyCdTMKq4YIPXHguNGYpTXo0o4N+qohbF| |WtvQez+CXNoIVZ3Pl0n4UDbMrxOpH5dYjXwIoQurb8taarYM3ZCNa+7paAxL91akjU6| |NS3Lv39DenumMo3HQAa93yRcU5GCW4azraC2+dahB9cdm4g+PwdOR/XWfxFGPH69WfQ| |2+GQVxBnQdDuwaI5xJr+zn05URzO3t58V1fJLfrHMaF42fQ2RNWW3RQnmPjIay0cPDl| |Rj1U23PSdvEO|

ah, i did not know this. Thanks for the info. I have a fire/dark/dark at 50 with full sets, but no incarnates yet. I just came back to the game a few weeks ago and haven't played this toon but from what i remember he was very endurance hungry and I was going to have to go cardiac most likely to help with end issues. I will let Uun in weigh on if dark or soul is better at this point since i haven't played with the set since the changes.

You may be better off going dark mastery instead of soul. the version of soul drain you get has a much shorter cool down and can basically be perma.

the latest version. I actually just uninstalled and reinstalled but still couldn't open it. *EDIT* Just tried again and it opened.

I wasn't able to open this. I have an ice/cold that is fully kitted but was making some tweaks and wanted to compare to this. If anyone has it please post!

I have a fire/dark I had planned to respec to this build but never got around to it. Maybe worth giving it a shot. Probably not the most optimized - i didnt quite get to softcapped range as i desired, but high resistances and you have mez protection with the sorcery pool. |MBD;23289;1401;1868;BASE64;| |G/haACwKbBuZfSeOBqZwRy6+jsjaUPnVCHLJAyjdqbBVda/aYsqjcSBM23X3RzIgG+Q| |TjKZZdLr6Oqd4PqVkOKI/1c9praw923LaEWe/JLQYLMDXv//f3tyJ0ZGqzris09mZSa| |uN0l7qd//HNQWKVXSFRlXhcKJq8UbNfdAVSLCoDWrx7gsJhAxnN2n34u0sUBYsMPuOz| |bAoa1T09NaGtVpKRr413DjUEPklLbfvz78NO6T+FqdYT6D7kSNm++K8Ej8uxwqpaOEe| |BO7O1t9PJnnEXuXR6E1poMWmbKBhfrZxwqrFwrBexDMXv6VcrpSHnWFCxw0PVLY+Trq| |BjKkuG0dKgOjHR5tDzHOf52HEdTWVcE5uTm7C9UjPqp5jbLFqtts8OuJ7R+ywtja8pJ| |9qP2cdsn/Ydpne64aKxXV9hlW9Nu6Z1m37Fp9OtjSf3VrPFNe/sURDF6Nl7/A+211Am| |xm2mT76nt75bLsRsHqoV5qUmdezZj+l7P9yMCo2laB750nVnJvr78suoOu2r4wW68ob| |CVXbMGjmumKVDoV40/8GvU+gYavX32L/V9S1/cynJwd7Pjf7On7BGgZ1TqTX/CdV1sI| |Q7YLfVv3nmGCbDwKCIoJdfBAEKCbYm7CT+u2out1vXDBxfD4lDjjX0grOpXGvUPBZGG| |TJXO3jeecpvXbq1gBusVFIAC/CCpTgK6gehDW89N3Bk5YnWHWLG2KOVxec5ss4/EPBH| |VetsCISGKGLIgYwRpO9kjAb4KD2dERX4Q6qpxHFTVxG+BY1+shqvFksOs3OJuEA9yLx| |K2N09XTfcYldjmVU+hHcukJ2Iob0n5meQBY18CThv+Rjz5fLe8yPdjEOMw1Z0xgiKZC| |LJQJ99JLL4WAyfvinBuHq8gtacgFcQ8w1bISZ3KKVROySIrQe4HEP+XxyUfos8KB4sq| |37q/Oj+W3xfCpioNUq9z4OzoJ5LDBQANbJOs3NX2/Z6zjJpWTVcAAslKsQDUqP2oZSi| |OQsL5/vY0xWUgqUIIPdQhqvlJ7mUvkHygv4UHz/gZbyEC6PpAe/oGI6LPmILVmScrC8| |s36vhLhfXTpzLHu4AsaEtvikcPa1EhzpEzTFpXPAyXuqzvsg9T1oYInKcpSElYMLDEN| |0UkwBE+i0mEZFcknSGT171LWsBziozvKU2DUUomIr6R4oaQ0DosOQMITAQt6AZ1GmMw| |jfetR3lvSCYqpAgIFi5FKR+foP8sO6v4OU/b73thNh7tsV1A/5j71VrBSEmHxhDDftn| |JzFFZIIKWACbeGtbe2VtOfSyTFG4EPxuWvbn5YXqKtoj+Tt7fS9BvFiqw/gRszme9ng| |e9kho1PeFFgmw3+1a2NM94DxUcUFPPjRYIOGBcU70eAeq7mFAJRSK2aam1ugg05WjYF| |3bzNsv+nVUtBwrIX6K36mc4oxV0p6rZIpP1yS5/lKZmSXmMCIQBaJAxgThvCFFryP5z| |O4x+LAR4QGFr8SYvpX0hQaxugWCsj0KmSWqAz0thb5pBcf2sIKuIfYu4bg3uBxcpaj+| |GSkK3nmtgKXpJajzzq5Wy1FQwEwUIx5jPedE/ZGEP1EYpcmS55iwwDt8kklkZu8JcDV| |ZhTYQ+zOpOah4GXQYJHUCSsiEVGgBJlaJaHxijH5SchUVMAh7ny8Au9MYUuab+t3uMk| |PBqUEOlFk5+vV7mg5Jqwt7Q6z/Wga0R5b1e6g8t4BBn/qyL3/KbcgolxEf1ArxMrdJx| |s5AodQg/u3gf49zqecnVhG/vaX6dgxFGt7q/U8ye5x2qMvCe6KiEtzH9xDz9dTPMV4o| |P0+N9CVtXOqzfwKOnLDIxnzGslZNCYLqUZ+UccBShfNzR6o7r6ayPstBrTv|

Bingo. This is the way.

In the other thread asking about water vs storm people are going crazy with the water jet slander. Saying to skip it, it isn't good, it's disappointing, etc. it's the best single target damage in the set and has an insta recast feature. If you don't take it your single target damage is severely gimped. To each their own, I guess. 🤷‍♂️

My mids wont let me increase the level of my IOs using the shift + or whatever the shortcut is. I have to set them all to +5 with the drop down menu haha. I don't have them all like that in game, just hasten and the end reduction in against all odds. This is a fair point. I got those last two purple sets and have been playing the toon and he definitely performs better with those sets. I really underestimated those set bonuses and procs. that said, any feedback on incarnates would be welcome. I currently have a t3 cardiac but not sure if that is the best route.

This is good feedback. I updated the build to match what you said, and added two pieces of blessing of the zypher to super speed at level 50 to give more ranged defense. I was teamed with a marine defender the other day and they said their shifting tides was doing almost 100 damage a tick 6 slotted for damage. I am not sure if anyone has played with this, but that seems like it may be worth re-arranging slots to get that damage cranked up on a toggle power.

I made my first tanker ever and i went with shield/fire. I have him nearly IO'd out - i am still missing the Armageddon set in combustion. I searched the forums pretty heavily and could not find a build for this combo (i am sure one exists but i couldnt find it). I have been running +4/x8 content and still struggle. I feel like i lack damage. I can fight for a while but then i start taking hits eventually and just get worn down over time. From what i have read, i should be able to handle this content pretty easily. Looking for feedback on this build and what could be changed to make it better. For incarnates, i figured Cardiac for the alpha, but not sure past that. Tanker (Shield Defense - Fiery Melee)- forum updates.mbd

Hi everyone, I just completed my first tanker and have him mostly IO'd out (i am missing two purple sets). He is a shiled/fire tank and i am looking for some feedback. I understand that i should be able to pretty easily do +4/x8 content, but i seem to struggle a bit. Here is the build. I do not have any incarnate slots built yet. The two sets i am missing are the set in combustion and shield charge. I feel like i probably need more procs in but then i am giving up good set bonuses. Any feedback would be appreciated. Tanker (Shield Defense - Fiery Melee)- forum updates.mbd

@HellsFury here is the build. Hope it performs for you! Corruptor (Water Blast - Marine Affinity).mbd

Primaries, I would say ice, fire, and water are all very good damage sets. Secondaries of course there is kin for very high damage buffs. More debuff focused sets I would say cold, rad and dark (I am a bit biased, I have 3 lvl 50 /cold corrs). Honestly, pretty much anything is serviceable. Play around with some sets and find something fun.

Good point. You can't tell which set pieces I actually use from the picture. I left this morning going out of town and won't be home till Monday, but I will definitely post it for you.

Could you post the downloadable file? I can't get this to open in mids.

i threw this together this morning. I haven't played this set yet, so keep that in mind. Some powers i am not sure if they are worth it. For example, Brine seems pretty lackluster to me. I would probably replace it with a travel power. I am sure a lot of people will take the Levithan for theme reasons. I tried one with Dark but didnt have enough room to get dark consumption and spirit drain and make everything else work together. With all the force feedback procs you should see that going off a lot (i have a water/cold that makes use of a lot of the +recharge procs and they go off very frequently). Shoal Rush, though kind of lack luster on the surface, reminds me of infrigidate in the sense it is an absolute proc monster and will hit hard, especially since the base recharge is 15 seconds. I wish i had an extra slot to get an accuracy in there but it should still connect most of the time. Anyway, just another idea on how you could build.

I will try to throw one together tomorrow. I just got the mids update today and was looking at the set. I have been leveling my first tanker (all 50s I have are corruptors) and have played with a lot of /marine affinity toons since the update. They seem very strong while leveling. Great team buffs. Idk how they will perform at 50 since they seem to lack heavy debuffs but definitely seem fun. Made leveling a breeze.

Did some retooling this morning. I still don't think it is as good as what i posted in my most recent post. Tried getting the most out of spirit drain and moving some stuff around, but it just isn't nearly as good across the board. I think i am going to build toward this and then can tweak once i am 50 and see how it feels. I have most of this already except for the two purple sets. I can use some lesser sets in the mean time to get a feel for it. I did move some slotting around to maximize resistance. I think it should be pretty sturdy.