battlewraith

Did you ever actually watch this series?

To anyone trying to understand why things happen, circumstances are always relevant. Despite a lot of questioning on your part , all I've seen here is that the streaming numbers for Ironheart, despite the show being dropped with little promotion, beat everything else on Disney+ at the time. This suggests that the show outperformed expectations. Ok, show me some data that shows advertisers pulling their ads because of the show's performance. Something that's not just a figment of your imagination. I've done a lot of searches on why Ironheart wasn't renewed. There actually has been no cancellation notice or renewal. What scant discussion I could find seems to indicate that Disney is moving away from standalone shows. If true, that would be an example of circumstance, which you think is irrelevant. Hilarious. I guess Captain Marvel beating things like the first two Ironman movies and most of the Captain America movies is a reflection on the quality of those movies as well eh? I dunno, have you seen what happens? I thought that Batman movie was great, but the development of the sequel has been tortured. It's now been pushed off until 2027, which is not good. Particularly since this was planned to be a trilogy. Weird example to bring up.

You have so little to run on that you're arguing about a specific word choice. By all means, tell me how you really feel about this steaming turd. Lol why don't you look it up if you think that matters. I'm not here to try to make your argument for you. Where Ironheart ended up in the charts is relative. The fact that it charted is not. It indicates that a substantial number of people watched. Disney doesn't have to air that second season. They could scrap it and rework the series. Or write it off altogether. You know, the things people here suggested the studio do with Ironheart. You have a double standard going here that you can't seem to acknowledge. Ironheart performed well, but didn't get renewed. Daredevil performed poorly but will still have the second season. Everything related to the production and release of these shows is contingent on a variety of business decisions and other factors. I BEG YOUR PARDON. Where did I say it would've been a raging success? Looks like you're making stuff up--seems a bit hypocritical. The point I made earlier was this: "my observation is that, despite being shelved and having minimal promotion, people watched the show. Given this data point, a more reasonable conclusion is that they should have released the series earlier, in closer proximity to the Black Panther movies, and it would've performed better." When companies are making more profits, they spend more. A second season of Ironheart doesn't equate to a raging success, any more than a second season of Daredevil will. Times have changed. Superman and Fantastic Four, both well executed, well intentioned successful superhero movies have made less money respectively than Thor: Love and Thunder.

I'm drawing a conclusion based on what you've said and your commitment to dragging this argument out. It's exactly what I just said. It performed better than everything else on Disney+ at the time. It made the Nielsen top ten list when it debuted. Daredevil: Born Again was released a couple months earlier and failed to chart during the entire course of its run. However, Daredevil will have will have a second season despite it's performance being the worst for Marvel streaming shows. I think that alone pretty much guts your vision of how things work. No it's just your baseless speculation. Another good example is the Tron franchise. Tron Legacy was a mild financial success. The studio was disappointed that it didn't kick off a new major franchise on a par with Pirate of the Caribbean. Nonetheless, they greenlit a sequel with the same lead actors and director. Then Tomorrowland bombed and the studio changed its mind, deciding instead to focus on things like the MCU. Now, 15 years later when cape films aren't as lucrative, we are getting another Tron movie.

LOL umm no, but you did describe it as a steaming turd of a show. Those things tend to go together. We were talking about streaming numbers, which were good. It out performed other shows on Disney+. The fact that it didn't get a second season doesn't negate that fact. As the article I posted indicates, other factors at the studio affect how and when they roll out shows. The decision not to continue Ironheart may have been made before the show even aired, in light of other priorities going on at Disney, and not reflective of how well the show was actually received.

If I'm being honest here, I think you hate this "steaming turd of a show" so much that it's warped your thinking. My "offensive" here was simple, yet diabolical. I swooped in and pointed out that the week it debuted on Disney+ that it was the most streamed thing on the platform. People did watch the show. Ghost was actually the one to state that it did well on the platform. I ran with it. Oddly enough, you didn't grill him on what his definition of "did well" was. Moreover, if you think that maybe it didn't do well, go ahead and explain why. Apparently now on a videogame forum chat thread, we not only need to acknowledge that numbers can be fudged, but also have to provide market research. Knock yourself out. If hype, advertising. and proximity to the movies have an influence on a show's success, then you've just restated the reasons why the show didn't do as well as it might have. You boldly assume that, since you hate this show then the Disney execs must have agreed with you. In actual reality, there are other reasons why the show was held up: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-star-wars-tv-shows-movies-slowdown-1235326681/

No it's just a very typical exchange on these forums. I said that it did well on Disney+ and after argument and reminders that this data can be fudged we all seem to be on the same page that--yes, it did well on Disney+. Huzzah. I think that's a bit too reductive to be the bottom line. Disney shelved the series for three years and did minimal promotion, at least according to what people have stated here. Under those conditions, it seems to have performed very well. Which goes back to my earlier statement--if the studio had handled the series better, it probably would've performed better and maybe gotten a second season.

Sure, maybe. But I'm trying to make sense of your contribution here. The claim was that people didn't watch the show. According to Disney, they did. Now, unless someone actually wants to argue that Disney is not to be trusted on this--that's it. The claim is wrong. As far as I can tell, nobody here is claiming that Ironheart did gangbusters compared to other popular shows, just that it did well. So the lists that were provided are irrelevant to the point, other than to indicate what numbers Disney is giving which you can just google. I'm not taking issue with your background or perspective on numbers. I'm taking issue with this: Okay, so......... What am I supposed to do with this? Is it just a generic PSA that can be applied to any figures coming out of the entertainment industry (or any other industry for that matter)?

It was not directed at you, on purpose, to avoid this exposition. I don't disagree with anything you said about the numbers. I question the rhetorical goal of what you're saying. There is a cultural trend to be skeptical of data sources: scientific research, medical data, government statistics, etc. Skepticism is generally good. We shouldn't just take everything on faith. However, this current trend generally amounts to a vague dismissal of information based on insinuation. Someone said that people didn't tune in for this show. The list indicates that a substantial amount did tune in. That's a pretty simple claim. It doesn't matter to me that some, all , or none, of the figures on that list may have been exaggerated. The only case that would be relevant is if Disney decided to fabricate an audience for a show they left on the shelf for 3 years and did little to promote. You cared enough to write all of that based on someone referencing the list.

They wouldn't, unless some executive at Disney had a deep emotional commitment in a Disney+ show pulling ahead of Trainwreck: Poop Cruise. This is 2025. When people are confronted with a specific data point they don't like, they will often launch a vague, generalized attack on the source of the data. "I'm not saying this company lied (because then I'd have to show evidence), but companies do lie about these sorts of things."

Again, no clue what you're on about. Yes, and my observation is that, despite being shelved and having minimal promotion, people watched the show. Given this data point, a more reasonable conclusion is that they should have released the series earlier, in closer proximity to the Black Panther movies, and it would've performed better. You still would've hated it, but maybe it would've garnered a second season.

The reason I watched this show is because my wife wanted to watch Andor season 2, so we subbed Disney+ (which we now no longer have). Saw some ads, so I thought I'd give Ironheart a shot. So this "my precious Disney" stuff--I have no clue what you're going on about. I watched Loki, Agatha, and Ironheart. That's it. And I thought the point of this thread was Ironheart. I strongly suspect that you've consumed more Disney product than I have. I labelled it bitching because it is. This show didn't appeal to you so you think maybe it should've been scrapped and started over. I don't think you were really the intended audience for this show. Eventually, I think you will get over it. God speed.

If it was the most streamed thing on Disney plus, then obviously people were tuning in. And this was, by your account, with no build up or promotion until about 1 week before. Did it make your top ten list? No. Did any other superhero series? Lol no. I thought people were done bitching about this show weeks ago. With all this enduring hatred, they must've done something right.

And yet it was the most streamed thing on Disney+ the week it debuted. Letting it sit on a shelf until there was substantial superhero fatigue was most likely the real mistake.

The last big discussion on this topic revealed that, not only did maybe 1% of suggestions see any action, the ones that did took years for that to happen. The first example that Googly found for me took 5 years to be implemented. And this is assuming that the change that happened was actually related to the suggestion made years earlier and didn't have some parallel development. Regardless of what the devs can do or should do--the defense of the status quo here is exactly like a cult mentality. The god on the hill doesn't communicate with us directly. But he lets us know that he hears our prayers. Our roles as the chosen ones is to weed out heretics (ie people with bad ideas, people that don't do research, people that just need to be told to fuck off, etc.). We--the miniscule subset of forumgoers that camp the suggestions forum (mostly Rudra)--are the weathervane. We hold ourselves to represent what everyone wants. Our piety is rewarded when, some day, a change happens that vaguely resembles something we asked for and we feel that warm glow of affirmation that comes from assuming that we were the reason for it.

So, episode 4.... The cutest depiction of a chestburster ever?

A failed boomer mentality referenced in a 40+ year old ad used to justify why we can't change the rules for a TF in an old video game. It just doesn't get any worse/better than that.

https://soranews24.com/2025/08/22/japanese-household-cleaner-maker-releases-survival-horror-scrubbing-game-on-steam/

The third episode ended on a gruesome note.

Every class that has some sort of intelligent pet summons should have that sort of control. The idea of excluding doms from this as some sort of balance tactic is ridiculous. Do something more to help controllers if necessary, but don't consign doms to having stupid pets as if this is somehow helping. It's especially irritating in light of everyone having powerful incarnate pets available that have this control scheme, but doms still can't direct imps or whatever.

It seems to me that anti-knockback bias goes back to the days when teams would be relying on toggle powers with anchors, like radiation infection. You'd be fighting a tough group and then someone would knock your anchor away from it--sometimes sending it into another group. Maybe it's not as big a deal anymore since those anchor powers aren't as popular?

This is actually the most horrific aspect of the show for me. The conceit is that the hybrid synths have been mind swapped--as if the mind were something akin to a soul that could be moved from one housing to another. The kids were sacrificed in order to create synthetic replica minds with immortal bodies. This suggests a scenario where the deluded, vulnerable, or talented, if not the whole human race, could be enticed to commit suicide in favor of the creation of synthetic dopplegangers.

Anyone watching this? I'm actually not a big fan of the franchise, but the primary creative behind this is Noah Hawley who did Legion, among other things. I watched the first episode, which was promising. The main points of interest for me were: 1. The Earth is under the control of a handful of large corporations. A Weyland-Yutani ship bringing back alien specimens crash lands on a city controlled by another corporation that is developing technology for mind-swapped synthetic people. It's unclear how much of the narrative will involve conflict between the two corporations but it has already led to some deaths in the first episode. 2. A bunch of specimens were brought back, not just some face-huggers and a xenomorph.

It fell prey to toxic bullshit. It was a pretty good show with likable characters and it was a short season--only 6 episodes. I think the elements introduced in that season would've gelled in a second. When I first heard about Mephisto being the big bad, it really seemed like a random choice of villain. Having seen the whole thing, I think Ironheart as a series is the MCU doing a variation of Faust.

Human beings are social animals. Some people are just looking to have a conversation. The consensus seems to be that KM sucks, so this seems like a good topic to have a chat about and not encounter hostility. But alas, twas not to be.