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Anything would suffice, lol. It wasn't a gotcha question.

People can't fucking read. Or they can't retain what they read. It's weird. I gave you a list of reasons why someone might play this game that don't have to do with loot. You upvoted it. A lot of people are into aspects of the game, but not all of it. Some things are a lot of fun, and some things are tedious time sinks to be avoided. The community is like a spinning spiral galaxy. The diehards are in the hub in the center. The game for these people is a lifestyle. If they're being honest, they would continue playing indefinitely even if there were no more development. Not only that, but they are hostile to any major change. If the game is still here in another 20 years, those remaining will be as hostile to any change in the reward structure as they are now. Moving away from the hub, you get into the arms of the spiral--people that still enjoy playing but have a more tenuous relationship with it. They might have real life time constraints that they contend with. Or they might not like features like the auction house or low level content. A proposal that makes (some thing) free is aimed at people like this--not the ones in the hub who will continue doing the same things they always do until something stops them. I submit that for the health of the game, the move is to try to keep the people in the arms from floating further away from the hub. To this end, you offer concessions. Things like free powers. Double xp that is available all the time. Making travel powers available earlier as well as adding ones that you can get from the vendor. Things that wrecked aspects of the initial coh game design because the majority of the playerbase found those aspects tedious. It is cool to do that.

The thing being discussed was the possibility of making things free. I argued on the "pro" side. To do this I had to explain and defend my interests (making planned lvl 50 builds with good enhancements) against people like Tidge, who denied that grind was a thing, argues that people should be content just playing normal content, etc. I think if he doesn't like making these types of characters (same as the people that stop leveling at 40) then it sets his objections in context. It was really a straightforward question--which set unexpectedly set him off. He said "you first" so I did. Still no answer from Tidge. It suggests that he thinks there's something damning about the answer. Otherwise, it's not important--as you can see other people have chimed in here about how many character they have.

Right so you can monitor and manage different stacks of loot. But you can't manage to count your 50s--just reading off a list from the character select screen. I didn't know how many I had either--it took me a whole minute or two to check.

Tidge when it comes to money: Tidge asked about how many 50s he has: "It's honestly not something I think about. To me, they are characters and not possessions." LOL

Yeah I get it. It's like the parent that can't remember how many kids they have...

If you can't answer a basic question like, how many 50s you have....I doubt it. It is funny though.

Does it? I didn't graduate HS until the late 80s and didn't regularly engage in online forums until the 2000s. Which means what exactly? You want to know how many I have? I have about 50 lvl 50 characters. Of those, I believe 14 are fully kitted out. This refers of course to Homecoming, not earlier iterations of the game. The question is not a flex. I don't care how many 50s you have, although it's amusing to see you drag your feet answering. How much time you spend playing and what you do with the time imo speaks to people's priorities as players and it informs their feedback on the forums.

Why is is such a hard question Tidge? It's just a number.

This came on the heels of the "is it time to make SOs free" thread. That one featured the same kind of intransigence. A bunch of people just saying no. But there was someone that suggested a discount to the upgrade costs. So from a haggling perspective, it was interesting to see if the most extreme position--"make stuff free"--would result in some sort of constructive engagement. It didn't imo, which isn't surprising, but it was still interesting to read the responses.

Lol dude wtf? What was that post? Hahahahahaha. FWIW I do strip 50s that I don't use. And I can certainly use "clever" strategies to get stuff to put in a new character. But all this big brained posturing is moot if the assumption is that you're sinking huge amounts of time into the game. Of course you're going to have a cave full of merits if you're doing that. No shit. But is that the reasonable baseline for player engagement to assume when having a discussion like this? Also, Tidge...how many 50s do you have por favour? Would also be interesting to know how many are kitted out.

Do you have a rough estimate of how many 50s you have? Are those pages full of 50s or mostly not? What this tells me is that you play this game a lot and a great deal of time is spent playing the same characters repeatedly. If we had to characterize each other in terms of addiction--you are clearly the addict here, not me. I've played this game on and off since it came back, but nowhere near every day, let alone on the same character. I often will go months without logging in, because I don't have time, I'm playing another game, or some other reason. I know there are a lot of people in this community that are like this--they are only interested in this game or this is the only game their computer will run. The aging players that are all-in on formulas that date back to the retail days are a niche subset of video game players. It's not the players who want to kit out some concept build that are unusual in the broader scheme of things.

A lot of the discussions on this forums recently hinge on vocal players that simply cannot relate to other people being different. You don't see what the rush is to do something.....so? Should everything revolve around people like you or should this be an actual community with disparate viewpoints? You never answered the question about how many 50s you have. That would give people an idea of what your pacing is like.

Ozzy's response to the testing: "The only gene I know anything about is in Kiss."

Would like this option too.

To be honest it doesn't. I don't bother posting there. But if someone starts a discussion taking issue with the culture of the forum, I'll chime in. Because I have a similar perspective and still engage with this community. I think that's hitting the nail on the head. There is a contingent of players that view teardown of ideas as a game. Telling them to dial down the dev time litany is like nerfing their t9 and buffing the enemies. I was responding to someone else who mentioned hubris. On these forums, people will say something like: "I'm tired of dealing with people's stupid ideas over and over again." And then accuse people of hubris for not listening to them. I know you keep making the same point about saying something and then moving on. It's good advice--unless you're dealing with human beings and how they actually are.

So you're jumping tracks again. No one is forcing you to do this. I'm allowed to do that. None of that is in question. None of that is the point of the criticism. And it's already been answered earlier in the discussion. I'm perfectly fine handling online feedback. I have nobody on ignore, and kind of pity people that do. Once Rudra complained to me about me and it was heartbreaking. Need I say more? Also, the purpose of all such boxes is to provide a degree of anonymity, if not from the recipient of the suggestion then to the randos present in the area--thus cramming slips of paper into a box (prior to digital versions).

Except you know the game will not be adjusted around their lack of understanding. The devs do things according to their agenda. So the frustration you gave and received was for what exactly? The constant insistence that there is little dev time to spend on big changes seems to go hand in hand with this fear that some fanciful idea presents an existential threat to the game if forum regulars aren't there to dismantle it. Actually it seems very different. A suggestion box is a way to submit anonymous feedback so that people won't get backlash from coworkers, etc. This is like having a bunch of people standing around the box and demanding you answer their criticisms, even though they have no say in the matter. If you refuse to do that, apparently it's hubris.

This community is so old, and so crotchety that almost everything is "beating a dead horse" the minute you open your mouth. You just don't realize it yet. Simply put, the issue for me is what purpose the suggestions forum serves. If it's an aid to development then I think it's demonstrably horrible. A small tweak or proliferation of an existing power gets mentioned and then 4 years later something gets implemented. Maybe. If it's about player engagement and community it seems unnecessarily bad. A band of grognards lurks in the shadows to tear apart ideas that are too fanciful or impractical (or that they just don't like, let's not forget). This is drives away bold ideas, which in my view is a loss. No impact on the game, but makes that subforum stale and dreary. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the mods/devs/whatever to tweak things. Change the name of the subforum to something like "minor improvements". Or suggest to the usual suspects that they simply lighten up. It might be fun to speculate about a unicorn themed AT. Fun.....there's that word again....

Niceness died in the wake of your foul memes sir. 🫠

Well despite subsisting on vodka and cocaine for years, he lasted long than Bowie, Prince, and a whole bunch of other people. And he went out with a banger show, so well done Ozzy!

The patrol xp rage was a psyop to throw us off the trail.

So...the devs have very little time or resources to implement changes, so they spend time logging on to personal accounts to remind people that they don't have time? Is Rudra a dev? Is that the shocking reveal?

Some cool kids told me that the way to play the game is to go all in on damage and pop purples whenever you actually need a defense. In other words, whenever you're actually fighting something. So I was toying with the idea of doing a theme character that is a drug addicted superhero nepo-baby. I would only slot damage procs and then pop fatty insps to get me through. This proposal would stand in the way of me hypothetically every possibly pursuing this idea. So I must respectfully decline. Actually I don't care, let's do it. Guzzle some more cough syrup and give us more thoughts.

Idea police, arrest this man He talks in maths, and balance is his fix He's like a human Hammi-O. Idea police, arrest this girl Her harping about dev time is making me feel ill And we just wanted to party This is what you get This is what you get This is what you get Calling Widower Idea police, I've given all I can It's not enough, I've given all I can It's still full price for SOs For a minute there I lost the thread, I lost the thread Phew, for a minute there I lost the thread, I lost the thread For a minute there I lost the thread, I lost the thread Phew for a minute there They locked the thread, they locked the thread