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They'd need to add that in, too, wouldn't they? I'm not saying it would be impossible, but I feel like part of the issue with these 'generic one size fits all' is that it inherently just becomes a blur. The blatant favoritism showed to those who died before HC is very easily rectified.

...and I've discussed why I feel the favoritism angle is not a helpful angle because it's outright already being shown. We may not be owed them, but when one is not given addressing concerns, and those concerns continue to exist? Sorry, I'm going to keep addressing them until they are and I don't care if I don't have a piece of paper that says 'I.O.U. One Dev Response.'

It's a valid opinion from everything I've said 🙂 That said, I also don't see the value in going quiet personally. I get seeing it as pointless to do more than speak your peace and move on, but that's not where I stand! That said, you've got a damn fine point. It is the internet, but I feel like the REASON it becomes like that is because people accept it. If someone is rude, abusive, nasty, unhelpful, etc... I've administrated forums. I still administrate discords. There are tools to solve these problems. There are helpful, and unhelpful, ways to address community strife. I don't feel like we really need to make room for people who are making a place unpleasant. I feel like at a certain point you show them the door. Who you show the door, how you show them the door, and when, says a lot about the values of a community. Choosing not to do so is a choice that can, unfortunately, show a lot.

It's always there, but I swear I wasnt able to buy badges before december...

I'm going to drag things back a little bit here, if you'll forgive me doing so. The fact that long, carefully thought out posts, or even short responding to the community reps for HC that aren't smiling and nodding are not receiving reaction while what's being responded with is at best inconclusive is more my concern with this thread. I do take issue with the entire memorial system, but I'm going to keep getting private messages from people telling me why I shouldn't bother not for any reason that they feel I'm wrong... ...but because there is a fundamental trust issue with what counts for civil conversation and what is actually listened to and I continue to see more and more of why. Edit: I tried to write both "I'm continuing" and "I continue" at the same time and it lead to a horrible abomination against the English language. As a published author, sometimes a gal's gotta fix these things. The edited portion is in bold.

If your dad, or your mom, played the game then I would be pushing every bit as hard for both of them. Suggesting possibilities that even those suggesting in authority don't believe they can guarantee is not a satisfactory first step. We've done it before. We can do it again.

Huh, I mighta missclicked on something or the like, or I'm just not seeing it now. I'll be fine with either. Dunno where that came from. I'll cop to that. That said? If I was simply talking nonsense from grief I don't believe that anyone would be agreeing with me besides the similarly grieving. But that has not been the case. Again, the homecoming staff are welcome to dismiss discussion on this topic and make it clear they aren't willing to discuss my responses to their rationale, but until they do, and possibly even after, I intend to continue to carry on discussing this. You can attempt to psychoanalyze my actions, but I'll make it a bit easier for you after I go through the DSM with my therapist tomorrow and get a diagnosis. For the moment, I'd appreciate avoiding that. 🙂

This is such a good point. Being able to hadoken is SO COOL, and imho, should be something everyone wants to take... but you aren't going to be using it to range your opponent. Not how the game works.

Troll 🖤 I'm going to (politely, and with due respect to your point) request not continuing posts like this juuuuuust to keep the talk going? But I want you to know you're seen, and appreciated. 🥰

It might be silly, but what I'd love most of all is for it to be easier to create in game maps, so you can have an AE that leads in to "now go to /enterbasefrompasscode THISARC-THESENUMBERS" after someone drops a portal, and bam, same room. The praetorian tiles are super useful, but I think all of them would work pretty well for this! Just sharing a thought 🙂

Just clipped this part to keep the post short, buuuut... Thank you. Sincerely. Your support as this situation has gone along has been very appreciated. You've articulated this really well in a jovial way that I don't trust myself to do right now. I appreciate it a lot. Thank you for trying to look out for me. 🙂 I value that you've had these frustrations to the point you've given up. Maybe if I'd been as active on here as you have I'd be in the same boat by this point! I certainly can't argue with what you've said as far as how I would feel about it. But City of Heroes, and the homecoming shards specifically, are important to me. I've told stories, made friends... it's been one wild ride and I've loved it. I want to keep on loving it for a long time. My only intention was to follow through on what people in game were telling me they wanted. I had no idea the experience would go like this... and Maybe I'm more stubborn than sensible. This would not be the first time it was suggested... ...but I care. I care, and I believe it's worth being stubborn about.

Sounds neat to me 🙂

Witnessing disruptive behavior is a good way to not want to engage. I'm going to note: look at the original thread I posted. A lot of people basically only posted there because they believed that was a good idea. I cant ascribe intent behind why they don't post anywhere else, but not everyone has the time, endurance, or inclination to continue these interactions.

Sincerely? I cant blame you, and as someone else who's lost someone important to them who played? I am so sorry. I'm sorry for how these topics sound like they've caused you stress and grief. I didn't know Punchy, but they clearly meant a lot to a lot of people. I hope their memory can live on indefinitely. That is a really awesome tribute--sincerely. 🙂 Customizable NPCs would be great for us who've lost someone special, and just... think of the base ideas. Seriously. It's endless. Adding anything into the game by default would probably be risky. Even text can inject some bad things. However, it could work like a .ogg file dropped into the right folder in a base: essentially, something that's very easily modded in by user-applied resources thanks to modified base assets, etc. The statues are DEFINITELY just character models with a texture (then made into a solid entity, but you get what I mean) so something like this should, theoretically, be possible... and it would be pretty neat! Honestly, customizable "All Spectrum" NPCs, like the ones used to show off outfits in icon? Hanging a costume is a time honored tradition for heroes. I'd love this. I still feel like all of this should be additional to the continued external memorials, but all of this? I'm down with this. Again... I am really sorry for your loss, and I hope that over time the pain has gotten a little easier to deal with.

I completely respect that! 🙂 Honestly, I don't blame you from where I sit right now. The 20+ people who showed up with holdtorches however are the community that I'm here to represent, because frankly I don't blame anyone who doesn't see this as worth their time. Unfortunately, I'm a very stubborn woman! 🖤 No, I completely concur. However I stated things, or however my intent was? Legit? Sorry that I implied that. It would be stupid. It can create additional harsh feelings so I'd recommend tempering it? Because while I agree, that's the kind of talk that can quickly get moderation for being seen as stirring the pot when you're just making a valid point... But I don't think you should be moderated against or anything. If people had one before, there hasn't been any technical reason why it couldn't be done in the future. The reasons why that have been stated are, I feel, insufficient. Favoritism is a problem, so... why not just make sure everyone is respected and valued post life for their efforts to make this game something worth being a part of beyond responding to an LFG message of "ITF lf7m pst" Thank you for responding!

I appreciate your recommendation and concern. However, I would also recommend that if you believe I am simply belligerently grieving and do not have any real points that you simply not engage and report my behavior as abusive.

I do not believe this is the dismissal of anything I've said that you think it is. This is proof that they did not simply maintain the circumstances of the past. This situation is not what was required to happen. The source code was handed out. Those previously invested could well have scattered to the winds. If they did not, and chose to be a part of ongoing community efforts outside of a very small server, then this changes the situation by virtue of not being the same circumstance. I feel that's tautological, but there we go. I outright stated the illegality of the circumstance. I'm very well aware for it. I am also, however, stating something that's been very clear to a lot of people in this community for awhile: though this is essentially the continuation of pirate server days, much as you said, it's somewhat bizarre to act as an opaque monolith towards the community. I respect protecting one's self. However, that's not really the point here. So, let's say that you make something for someone else's benefit. Let's say that they then ask for something. They see it's been done before, for other people, but you insist to not play favorites, you wont be doing it anymore. I uh. yeah, I'm sorry, there's flaws here. HC could do that, but they haven't, and while they don't, it should be treated as what it is. It really feels like whenever someone wants to dismiss the idea that someone thinks something is a good idea or naturally flows from the circumstances they're called entitled. It's like people who say other people are entitled think they're entitled to pretend that no circumstances exist outside of the small bit they're nitpicking. They don't need us, but they want a community or they wouldn't have bothered. While they do, that means that the community is assumed to have some degree of consideration. Or entitlements.

I am disagreeing with this stance, disagreeing with its backing points, and the options presented to supposedly get around this situation are often either impossible or miss the point entirely. You don't have to see the value of me continuing to discuss this, but I do. It's me saying that if you don't see the value in a conversation, chiming in to say it more than once doesn't present any additional value and you'd be better off doing something else for your own sake. The thought might be more clearly articulated as "I appreciate that you believe at this point this aspect of the discussion holds no more value. I would recommend allowing it to continue without your participation, as others, at least myself do, as I will be continuing this conversation in this direction."

How is "dont harrass people with bases" a new policy. Finding a new way to tell someone where they can shove it is something any social experience needs to deal with. One of these options was literally stated to be theoretically impossible. It also makes additional work for our support staff. It kinda feels like you're deciding where this effort is more valuable as though it were a neutral, inescapable thing when it is not. I can do them right now. That's why I didn't make a thread about them! 🙂 It already isn't reserved solely to those people. I'm sorry, but I don't see the point in responding to every post you make to just restate what's already been said, so I will not be in the future.

There's definitely a lack of active listening, reading, and then respectfully showing a complete understanding in a response. I believe some of my posts have been read, but it's hard to not feel like an awful lot of them haven't been. As I stated before: I believe this is important. If you don't, and you believe other means would be more productive? I would politely request that you leave the discussion so that those who would continue to discuss it to be able to. No one is stopping you from making your point, and walking away any more than they're stopping me. 1) We have multiple tributes already existing in game that did not require base work and can be seen by people who don't even know how to use a base code. 2) We have tributes in game content that are official and can be found without effort if you chose the right tutorial. 3) I have, in fact, been attempting to go out of my way with positivity towards others in game since their passing. However, I posted to discuss a respect that has already been paid to others. Favoritism already exists here, and pretending it doesn't benefit the past with this policy doesn't benefit anyone.

I believe that if someone believes someone else in the community is acting abusively they can file a support ticket. If I made a base that was solely created to harass another player, and someone reported it, I don't believe that I should expect to be able to use "It was a private base!" Slippery slope is a fallacy. Either something is right, or it's wrong, and you can specifically nix out bad possibilities as they arise or with special caution. This is often used in order to prevent something that isn't wanting now by claiming the worst is inevitable, when it clearly is not. Then I have a simple solution: Make it for everyone. I'm cool that you like that solution. However, it has been suggested that possibility may be outright impossible. Therefore, to pretend that the only solution that exists is one that may not exist is not exactly something that I appreciate! 🙂 I'm sure you can understand where I might be coming from with this.

I want to be clear: I'm as happy to argue for everyone in the community receiving this treatment. I am however responding directly to what's being said, too. If it's someone's discretion, then let me talk to them. Saying it's someone else's decision that is off over there without room for wiggling is the same as saying no one's listening. At no point have I wanted unfair treatment solely for my friend. In my experience, if you want X, and you see that in the past to get X it happened because of Y, and Y applies, you attempt Y even if you would prefer Z.

Seeing the link to this thread at the end of one of Widower's post, I decided to click. I only speak English, but I have experience with Mac OS technical support (I was apple certified and handled heavy customer support at high levels of proficiency during launches of 10.5 and 10.6, and while I may not know every last detail of it I have so much experience learning more on the fly in a busy call center environment that would be made much less stressful being able to type and not speak! 🙂 ) I have experience in Linux, and while I'm not perfect at it, I would be very happy to run a linux distro on one of my machines to be able to troubleshoot issues and perform additional troubleshooting tests and assistances. For the forseeable future? Availability is something I have in spades! I've been highly involved in roleplay in City and outside of it, and while I may not be the best at creating bases or AE maps I have extensive knowledge of both systems. Me posting here might... uh... come off as a bit nonsense. "Aren't you constantly complaining elsewhere?" I believe it's up to the community to improve things they see as issues, and if I'm not willing to put in the effort to do what I can for that, weeeeeeell... It's an awful lot of talk. So. Consider my hat way over there, in the ring.

Suggestion: If these hurdles are so difficult that you feel the need to specify their theoretical impossibility, yet memorial NPCs have already been made in game... Why, might I ask, is one off the table and the other offered as the only path forward? Ascendant being added to Steel Canyon did not require additional impossible coding. Adding a fan from pre-beta days to be in the tutorial was possible. What is to stop homecoming from considering these memorial requests now, and then, at a future time, remove them and allow for the community to do so instead?

You did not attempt, nor did you by accident succeed, at insulting me--promise! 🙂 The word entitlement, imho, is given a bad reputation. I do feel I am entitled to things, that we are entitled to things. We will likely, and often, disagree on these things. But I would say that in this instance, what I'm attempting to discuss is important and I feel like we as a community deserve, and at the very least should be entitled to, something different than what has been offered. I'm also going out of my way to type in a way that while less conversational, hopefully leaves less room for misinterpretation. This does make it seem a bit self important, but there's a reason I've been emphasizing community. I don't just want any of this for me. I want the things I've discussed for us. You may very freely disagree, and insist I do not speak for you and I will not argue or try to convince you that I do. I do sincerely wish I could be more playful, jovial, and straightforward with this, but if someone comes at me with corporatese I've kinda learned you have to respond in it to be taken seriously. FWIW, I don't talk like this in casual conversation. Promise. This is a very fair point! However, I would like to emphasize: I don't feel like the benefits of HC being HC matter without its community. Being devs and GMs for an empty, dead game with no one logging in isn't really anyone's goal there. I do not desire a lack of volunteer memorialization. I simply believe that they are only one part of what makes homecoming matter to them, or to us. The server is payed for by our donations. They are donated, yes, with no expectation of authority, but to pretend that means that there's no buy in, that it's not a community effort, feels to me like it misses the point. If they want it to be just for their family and friends, they could afford much cheaper server architecture and would have no needs of crowdfunding support, official licenses, etc. We have to judge this setup for what it is, not the theoretical it could be. I don't think any of them are heartless either. If I felt no one did care, then I wouldn't be wasting my... finger breath? I don't know what to call it, but the endurance of my fingers. Respect, and thanks, can be delivered at the same time as criticism. I'm only bothering to continue this discussion because I respect those putting forth these efforts and I feel that a reasonable dialogue has merit and value. Thank you. I appreciate the time you took to express yourself, and the kindness and empathy you showed in making sure that even if you feel my methods or goals may be astray, you still value me as a human being. That feels so dry and detached, but it's sincere.