Flare Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 A few people were asking for my build so here it is. EDIT: Finalized this build, I don't plan to go back and change anything at this point, it is complete. Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Mireille: Level 50 Natural Arachnos Widow Primary Power Set: Fortunata Training Secondary Power Set: Fortunata Teamwork Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Medicine Villain Profile: Level 1: Swipe (A) Superior Spider's Bite - Accuracy/Damage (34) Superior Spider's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime (45) Superior Spider's Bite - RechargeTime/Global Toxic (45) Superior Spider's Bite - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge SpeedLevel 2: Strike (A) Superior Dominion of Arachnos - Accuracy/Damage (3) Superior Dominion of Arachnos - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (3) Superior Dominion of Arachnos - Damage/Endurance/Recharge (5) Superior Dominion of Arachnos - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge (43) Superior Dominion of Arachnos - Recharge/Chance for -Dmg and Terrorize (43) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal) Level 4: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (5) Recharge Reduction IO Level 6: Tactical Training: Maneuvers (A) Reactive Defenses - Defense (7) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance (7) Reactive Defenses - Endurance/RechargeTime (42) Reactive Defenses - Defense/RechargeTime (42) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance/RechargeTime (43) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage Level 8: Follow Up (A) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage (9) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance (9) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (11) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (11) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance/Recharge (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up Level 10: Boxing (A) Disorient Duration IOLevel 12: Dominate (A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold (13) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge (13) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage (37) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge (37) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold (50) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge Level 14: Spin (A) Armageddon - Damage (15) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge (15) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge (36) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage (37) Superior Avalanche - Recharge/Chance for Knockdown Level 16: Lunge (A) Hecatomb - Damage (17) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge (17) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (31) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge (34) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative) (36) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal) Level 18: Tough (A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance (19) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance (19) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime (31) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP Level 20: Weave (A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance (21) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance/Recharge (21) Shield Wall - Defense (29) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All) (50) Shield Wall - Endurance/Recharge Level 22: Foresight (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance (23) Luck of the Gambler - Defense (23) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed Level 24: Mind Link (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance (25) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge (25) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge (27) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge (29) Red Fortune - Defense Level 26: Indomitable Will (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% (27) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) Level 28: Injection (A) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/ToHit DebuffLevel 30: Aid Self (A) HamiO:Golgi Exposure (31) HamiO:Golgi Exposure (40) Interrupt Reduction IO Level 32: Psychic Wail (A) Obliteration - Damage (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge (33) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (34) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage (45) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 35: Mask Presence (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge SpeedLevel 38: Aura of Confusion (A) Coercive Persuasion - Confused (39) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Recharge (39) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge (39) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Recharge (40) Coercive Persuasion - Contagious Confusion (40) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Endurance Level 41: Tactical Training: Leadership (A) HamiO:Cytoskeleton ExposureLevel 44: Tactical Training: Assault (A) Endurance Reduction IOLevel 47: Field Medic (A) Recharge Reduction IO (48) Recharge Reduction IO Level 49: Total Domination (A) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Recharge (50) Lockdown - Accuracy/Recharge Level 1: Brawl (A) EmptyLevel 1: Prestige Power Dash (A) EmptyLevel 1: Prestige Power Slide (A) EmptyLevel 1: Prestige Power Quick (A) EmptyLevel 1: Prestige Power Rush (A) EmptyLevel 1: Prestige Power Surge (A) EmptyLevel 1: Sprint (A) EmptyLevel 1: Conditioning Level 2: Rest (A) EmptyLevel 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift (A) EmptyLevel 2: Health (A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb (46) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance (46) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery (48) Miracle - +Recovery Level 2: Hurdle (A) EmptyLevel 2: Stamina (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod (46) Endurance Modification IO (48) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End Level 50: Agility Radial Paragon Level 50: Melee Core Embodiment Level 50: Cimeroran Core Superior Ally Level 50: Rebirth Radial Epiphany Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface ------------ ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1527;708;1416;HEX;| |78DA6594594F135114C7EF74A69696964576CBD62A142894D625418D12849645AA2| |4127C51CB4D3B8109B583D322FAE837308608BE49D4075F7CF1CD4FE29760718D06| |B51EE67FD292CCA4CDEFDEFF59E69C337726FD64CAFF61FAD9B8509A27F3B258CC4| |C5832BB5A308B99BB46CEDCF4DC92A50D4BE65521444DDAB074239FD73DB409D9E6| |CCA2258D82515889A54CABB45190255991828BBA7CB8695A6B276D2C09DF8269E66| |377D6753D17B097296365B54451D8A5F59C91350ABADFDECDEB72FD386172DDC8C6| |9692138B9979FDB1214BABB29049CB6249B79EB6534943F47FED177C955591D7844| |868225400871F314D70D2476E8AED2B448B626BBB7E9644D9AD6CA9B6E67AC9DC06| |B51D70E815734DD80CD35C54E453D428348D99A47BB96173BBF71177EA8079080E7| |E617EE5BCDFC037549387633DCBC857239959D09763EAE0E07B974D856AF2A21FE1| |8DC3B645F96AB9C7DA29F8F953CC59F0DC3473064C24C1B7141BE0D8C018B4BACBC| |C2BE0D9ABCC6B9C6317F37E47B1F51C5BDF0F5B43843900760F82A128E7E0D9AAD4| |472366A0367EC75C4EFF60FE02BB7FF3F321DF26F86A4D2968CDB3CC39B0F326989| |801677D380214E36A69C059686D66F2D918279F36CEDBE683D65ECBF48367026067| |1D98A2980E3E131DC7C15DE4739EEBA53A83FC6C8235D07A48EB82E6EA1A2368AAE| |8B62944248859ECD01C7B788E3D479853EF1FE65FE63F9EA340DEE132F6D7A99E30| |9FF930F77583B43ECED7770F7EFDF7990F9819302299CBE00CC50E70BE814BA8779| |AB4286BD1106A7E4E3788E11E4A8CDF8951E636F513675B7C829FCB4FE4EFD42AEF| |33FDE812430E25EE50120EE58243B9E850E61DCA6DADF285282F68952F83506CABB| |7411C4FD7B6EE51CF8A72D27A505554650F5D8D84984B98FCE81C31A2897D47F461| |5571292F308B915E9EDB36F647AD04AEEE5398D65C8BB7A5AA7F6CAAAE3F9F58FF0| |73837F822| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelRaines Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Travel Powers? Last I looked Redside wasn't too friendly to those without some vertical movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share Posted May 11, 2019 I don't usually bother with travel powers on my builds, I find ninja run + sprint to be fast enough for me and temp powers for when you can't get over something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockpick Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Looks good and expensive. How are you finding the endurance issues? How is the DPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Vector Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 How do you do damage? You barely have any attacks, and many of the attacks you have aren't particularly well slotted (some aren't slotted at all). What's your attack chain? Why are you just randomly taking lunge with no other claws attacks? I'm sure you enjoy this build, but I can't recommend it to anyone else, especially for the resources that go into this. I'd strongly suggest someone who wants their widow to be highly survivable to forget the fighting pool and get medicine/aid self and, if you have powers headroom, field medic, instead. Also, to take and slot attacks before patron pools in the 40s. The build below is what I'm working toward for my fortunata. Depending on your personal preferences in the below, you can swap the order of injection/aid self with mask presence, assault, or confuse pretty easily. The build achieves softcapping vs incarnate tohit with its alpha slot active, perma-hasten/ML, and enough dps to solo an AV without a -regen power. And then yummy psy wail every 40 seconds, and CC roughly comparable to a mind controller. Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Natural Arachnos Widow Primary Power Set: Fortunata Training Secondary Power Set: Fortunata Teamwork Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Sorcery Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Medicine Villain Profile: Level 1: Swipe -- SprSpdBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprSpdBit-Rchg/Global Toxic(42), SprSpdBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), SprSpdBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43) Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A) Level 2: Strike -- SprDmnofA-Acc/Dmg(A), SprDmnofA-Rchg/DmgFear%(42), SprDmnofA-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), SprDmnofA-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), SprDmnofA-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mk'Bit-Dam%(46) Level 4: Tactical Training: Maneuvers -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(5), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(5), RedFrt-Def(7), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(7), RedFrt-EndRdx(19) Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A) Level 8: Follow Up -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(9), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), GssSynFr--Build%(17) Level 10: Indomitable Will -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), UnbGrd-Max HP%(48) Level 12: Lunge -- Hct-Dam%(A), Hct-Dmg/Rchg(13), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Hct-Acc/Rchg(15), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(15), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17) Level 14: Spin -- Arm-Dam%(A), Arm-Dmg/Rchg(19), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Arm-Acc/Rchg(21), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(23), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(23) Level 16: Mystic Flight -- WntGif-ResSlow(A) Level 18: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31) Level 20: Tactical Training: Leadership -- HO:Cyto(A) Level 22: Foresight -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), LucoftheG-Rchg+(29), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(31), Rct-ResDam%(50) Level 24: Mind Link -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(25), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(25), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFrt-Def(27), LucoftheG-Rchg+(29) Level 26: Mask Presence -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A) Level 28: Tactical Training: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 30: Confuse -- MlsIll-Acc/Conf/Rchg(A), MlsIll-EndRdx/Conf(50) Level 32: Psychic Wail -- ScrDrv-Dam%(A), ScrDrv-Dmg/EndRdx(33), ScrDrv-Dmg/Rchg(33), ScrDrv-Acc/Rchg(33), ScrDrv-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34) Level 35: Total Domination -- GldNet-Acc/Hold(A), GldNet-Acc/Rchg(36), GldNet-Rchg/Hold(36), GldNet-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(36), GldNet-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(37), GldNet-Dam%(37) Level 38: Aura of Confusion -- CrcPrs-Conf(A), CrcPrs-Acc/Conf/Rchg(39), CrcPrs-Conf/Rchg(39), CrcPrs-Acc/Rchg(39), CrcPrs-Conf/EndRdx(40), CrcPrs-Conf%(40) Level 41: Aim -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 44: Dominate -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(45), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(45), BslGaz-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(45) Level 47: Injection -- SphIns-Acc/ToHitDeb(A) Level 49: Aid Self -- IntRdx-I(A), HO:Golgi(50) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- UnbLea-Stlth(A) Level 1: Conditioning Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A) Level 2: Health -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(46), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(48), Mrc-Rcvry+(48) Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A) Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(3), PrfShf-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(3), PrfShf-Acc/Rchg(34), PrfShf-EndMod/Acc(37), PrfShf-End%(40) Level 50: Agility Radial Paragon Level 0: Born In Battle Level 0: High Pain Threshold Level 0: Invader Level 0: Marshal ------------ ------------ @Flux Vector Formerly from Virtue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 Mu lightning/lunge combined with a few fillers are more than enough for single target, I should add follow up admittedly. Lunge is good on it's own as an opener out of stealth, why would lunge be bad on it's own without other claw attacks? I was originally specced into medicine but found it to be just not necessary. Honestly I didn't put a ton of thought into the build in terms of enhances as I quickly put it together after not being able to find a single decent widow build. I've been fully slotted for a while now and honestly haven't run into anything in the game that's given me much trouble. I've tanked every tf without issue and can solo AVs as well. I've found Aura of Confusion and Total Domination to just be completely useless when everything dies before mass cc is necessary. I personally dislike spin spam widows since it's all I ever see and the 2 cones i have work nicely with eachother. Isn't softcap 45%? The resists help a lot as well. Your build looks a lot better thought out and I would definitely recommend it over mine to most players but I wanted to try to do something a little unique, and I personally find it very satisfying to play, the only slight issue I have is endurance management can get a little rough but mu lightning static discharge helps a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Vector Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Mu lightning/lunge combined with a few fillers are more than enough for single target, I should add follow up admittedly. Lunge is good on it's own as an opener out of stealth, why would lunge be bad on it's own without other claw attacks? I use "enough dps to solo an AV without -regen, a reactive interface, or lore pets" as the benchmark of good single targeted damage, because of how I stood there and brawled a war walker to death in the Lambda trial ~8 years ago with no enhancements in it and a tier 4 reactive interface. It worked, but that doesn't mean I'd call brawl on autofire a viable attack chain or "sufficient" single target damage hehe. (I was testing my theory about how they assigned rewards in iTrials). As for lunge - widow claws didn't receive the "redraw animation fixes" that most/all other weapons-type attacks received. You lose some dps every time you have to pop out your claws, so you don't want to mix attack types at all on fortunatas (night widows have special claws-out animations for mind blast and psychic scream; fortunatas do not, but even NWs don't want to use patron attacks or pool attacks alongside claws because they will lose dps). Even one of the best ranged attacks in the game (Gloom) doesn't really improve the dps of a widow who's running claws otherwise (it's a godsend to ranged fortunatas though). That's also why I don't take Shatter Armor despite its being pretty popular with widows back on live - it should be about a 17% dps increase from -res, but when I tested it on a pylon back in the day it gave more like a 7% increase because there's a double weapon draw causing dead time in the chain. 7% isn't worth how clunky it feels and losing other powers I like better to me - YMMV there ofc. Finally, the claws attacks just vastly outperform the ranged attacks statistically. I was originally specced into medicine but found it to be just not necessary. Honestly I didn't put a ton of thought into the build in terms of enhances as I quickly put it together after not being able to find a single decent widow build. I've been fully slotted for a while now and honestly haven't run into anything in the game that's given me much trouble. I've tanked every tf without issue and can solo AVs as well. Yes, the game has a pretty low bar statistically speaking to be pretty good. And like I said, I don't doubt that it works for you. But for the money you spent you can do better still. The reason to take aid self over fighting is that weave is redundant - you cap out without it - and tough only adds about 25% resistance to smashing and lethal damage, but widows have the 2nd-lowest hp pool in the game (tied with controllers, above masterminds) so the value of that resistance isn't very high. Your defense is doing way more work for you than Tough is, and you've got better melee attacks than boxing/kick/cross punch native to your own sets. So at that point, you might as well grab different powers. Instead, with aid self and a soft-capped character you can leverage the anti-one-shotting code by keeping yourself at full hp and then when you're hit by something serious (for example an AV with total focus, or even just a +leveled longbow warden with knockout blow), it drops you to 1 hp instead of killing you. Then you're making a gamble, but it's a good gamble, that you can heal back to 100% before you're hit hard again; aid self ensures that you're not in DOT or 'feather tap' range of death before you get back up to max. You can do it with greens, but on +4x8 you'll run out fairly fast, and if you're solo vs an AV you won't have a source of new drops. The Rebirth destiny is good here too but even running that I find there's just no real fully-equal substitute for having aid self, especially with how nicely it fits in to a build. I've found Aura of Confusion and Total Domination to just be completely useless when everything dies before mass cc is necessary. I personally dislike spin spam widows since it's all I ever see and the 2 cones i have work nicely with eachother. The real AOE in my build is psychic wail and a judgement. You have one of those available for 2 out of 3 spawns in a team, or one every spawn solo. Everything that's susceptible to being AOE'd down is gonna be, and then you're into the mop-up where you're using your single target on a boss. You use the followup-lunge-strike-swipe chain, if you have extra targets you replace swipe with spin in that chain to AOE while focusing the biggest thing still around with your single target. You'd never just spam spin unless you are lazy. Total dom and aura of confusion are very useful powers, though they aren't strictly necessary (neither is confuse, or assault, or mask presence really... they're icing and everyone likes icing, right?) and I don't usually use them the way a controller or dominator would - as a primary team-oriented defensive power. Instead they both hold some useful sets for their bonuses and provide my answer to fortunata not having Elude like night widow does. Instead I can use them reactively when I need to stop -def cascade failures by making things stop attacking me until the debuffs expire. The other option for that is escaping and breaking line of sight to delay more attacks coming in, and that looks weak and is unworthy of a <Megamind> SUPER villain! </Megamind> Isn't softcap 45%? The resists help a lot as well. Your build looks a lot better thought out and I would definitely recommend it over mine to most players but I wanted to try to do something a little unique, and I personally find it very satisfying to play, the only slight issue I have is endurance management can get a little rough but mu lightning static discharge helps a bit. 45% is the softcap to ordinary pre-Praetoria content. Incarnate tier enemies (Dark Astoria, iTrials, Tin Mage and Apex TFs, etc) have a higher base To-Hit of 64% as opposed to the ordinary enemy's To-Hit of 50%; and therefore the softcap vs them is 59% instead. Going over the normal content softcap also helps to partially counter -def debuffing and enemies who have To-Hit buffs like the PPD. This is another place where confuse, aura of confusion, and total dom come in really handy, some incarnate enemies also have some kinds of autohit or effectively autohit damage or more To Hit buffing on top of that. Making them quit attacking, or attack each other, is way more effective than 25% smashing/lethal resists in my opinion. There's a similar mechanic at work with Arachnos's tarantula mistresses, they have a very nasty -def power that I have never seen miss. @Flux Vector Formerly from Virtue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 Well, like I said i've tanked near everything in the game including things like apex tf and had almost no issues. EDIT: Refer to OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honoraryorange Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Looking at this build it seems like End usage would be kind of insane. Even just doing Follow Through, Strike, Lunge you're going to run out pretty quick with all those toggles. How do you manage it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimiHisakawa Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Honest advice. Everything you want to do here is great, but you would get better results as a Night Widow instead of Fortuna Fortunata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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