Super0Fluffy Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Wanted to know if there is indeed a way to make this work. I've tried a few times to remake this and still cant make it work. My builds are a lost cause so I'm asking you the forums for help. Any thoughts and suggestions are welcome.
Banana Man Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 There's probably no better secondary for energy blast, so, it can totally work! What issues are you having? 1
Super0Fluffy Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Banana Man said: There's probably no better secondary for energy blast, so, it can totally work! What issues are you having? It's mostly trying to find the balance. End to Damage ratios mostly because I'm in a spot where I've picked a few powers that were not slotted right, at least that's what it feels like to me. I wind up running out of End in mid fight, or I have more than enough but I'm doing pitiful damage. Plus power choices. Normally I don't use blasters, more of a melee player, so this is new to me. I've tried slotting my blaster with some of the powers I would typically pic for a scrapper or brute, fighting and leadership, but again I'm not sure if it should be applied to a blaster.
ninja surprise Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 What level are you? If you're not at level 22 using level 25 SO/IOs with an EndRedux in each attack you're still just going through growing pains. /Fire eventually gets an endurance recovery power, then things get easier. 1
Super0Fluffy Posted April 18, 2020 Author Posted April 18, 2020 3 hours ago, ninja surprise said: What level are you? If you're not at level 22 using level 25 SO/IOs with an EndRedux in each attack you're still just going through growing pains. /Fire eventually gets an endurance recovery power, then things get easier. This is my third attempt at the build, which is currently level 24. This is the second highest I've gotten this build to, the highest being 35. Dont have enough cash to get SO's at the moment, but I'll keep what you said in mind when I get the money.
Banana Man Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) Early game or before you're tricked out with IOs, your core powers are probably gonna be -cauterizing aura (sustain, free damage) -fire sword circle (big damage aoe) -combustion (wide aoe) -energy torrent (fast cast aoe, you can use explosive blast if you're having trouble getting torrent to hit enough targets, but it's a slower cast for roughly the same damage, though with a higher target cap and bigger aoe) -burn -consume can probably help with end You're basically an aoe machine. Once you hit 50, start getting IOs and incarnates, you can proabably start running hot feet for even more free aoe damage, slot burn with the -resist proc, do good single target damage with the snipe, procced out burn, and fire sword (power burst is pretty bad, dps wise). I'd slot the KB to KD IO in your energy blast AoEs. Explosive blast might be better than combustion at that point, especially if you have a high recharge build. I threw this together real fast and it's not perfect, I also haven't made a PvE build in like a year, but here's a decent all-around pve build. 45ish% def to the common damage types, 50% damage bonus to all once you get the passive from assault hybrid, roughly 100% recharge before hasten once you get the passive from ageless. I'd recommend degen for interface. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1481;680;1360;HEX;| |78DA6D945B4F13511485CF69A7624B0B85520A72B32D142C306D01355E4954F0019| |A10497C6D8676522621EDA414B51A4DFC07DE12135B2EEA8BA8F1171113E39389A0| |EF04EBEEACDD42AC934EBF9975F63E7B9D7D6626F9E096FBCBEDA7B3427A6EAE69E| |BEBA91BF45FD40B8EA49635D2A276B4D0D9C772EA8E96CBEA19752EA717B2250407| |EB63CB1BA6992F14D579A3A0A7925ACE3037D6B4A291CF09D7523EBFA62E9BBA9E7| |15B978BBA661AB96C57FD26A317D6570D33B5A217358F25CE1BD9D52285F4CE9946| |5AAD97486AE9DAD4B5EB520FF91AA5F3A2A81F55FAD121EE1D2B8AF8A00891700AD| |B2EF323A87C024F7D06EF53B4448E43BEB163AC0C9EAE303741D716731B0C518BEC| |C895F67181F999611A73B03BC79ECDD22E71576BB55AA6A0B9A7C1C119F0EC79E60| |530F11D3EB5A8104E89F99C7E69692BA4B5B2D61A44DD34691EEE81670B73746E83| |FD3BCCB75CF31D28C9543B7B6DB73A6927A50333CB8E29ACB63340C200AD90C67C1| |8B3F9D8499797D9055EA5513FBBF0EFA24A7799E82356C089F7BC42767385A2039C| |139880D69360AADC9518188C838F28BA97BDF41ED82C7F677E30F7C187B5E718F3D| |AFBB8F660F9FF1E4A1435C03B3470C8B504D61FFC83FB61AE13E13A919FE02C650D| |B1FFA10A766D62139CDC626E3377C0C7141DE27AA159D4095F439D30D70DB38FE12| |3E665F009658D70EE88C07C11098EDA9876A602461DE0A1578831F4CD31C67B78CE| |C56C65BAC1A887D90676D3FE8FF3B331CEB9B12361F5E03A4185279BFA0DFE637BC| |CAF60869ED0383F6D71CEEF574EBCB9CFE0B1ED39F315E87DC17C090695FAAB5BAD| |2E441BF9D5A8F2EF7721DEA4249A94E92665A649596C529694C6D743484B717A1BD| |F84EABE8B46F9FD9493783F7F1D6B5206D111F75D74E1E064FC18E27F9FD45E63E7| |177C045EF95F24FBEB16| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| Edited April 18, 2020 by Banana Man 1
Camel Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 19 hours ago, Super0Fluffy said: This is my third attempt at the build, which is currently level 24. This is the second highest I've gotten this build to, the highest being 35. Dont have enough cash to get SO's at the moment, but I'll keep what you said in mind when I get the money. At level 24 I would recommend Hasten as your first power pick from the pools. With basic IOs, a Force Feedback +recharge proc or two (one mandatory in Energy Torrent and Explosive Blast) you can practically eliminate most lower level recharge issues. It would put Consume on a quicker timer and help with end issues. Unfortunately, not many low level builds have enough sustain to fuel a barrage of attacks for a long period of time. Energy/Fire is going to be an AoE powerhouse with +recharge procs going off all the time and end heavy AoE attacks being spammed. It’s going to eat your endurance one way or another unless you get an Ageless. 1
Super0Fluffy Posted April 19, 2020 Author Posted April 19, 2020 4 hours ago, cazden121 said: At level 24 I would recommend Hasten as your first power pick from the pools. With basic IOs, a Force Feedback +recharge proc or two (one mandatory in Energy Torrent and Explosive Blast) you can practically eliminate most lower level recharge issues. It would put Consume on a quicker timer and help with end issues. Unfortunately, not many low level builds have enough sustain to fuel a barrage of attacks for a long period of time. Energy/Fire is going to be an AoE powerhouse with +recharge procs going off all the time and end heavy AoE attacks being spammed. It’s going to eat your endurance one way or another unless you get an Ageless. Interesting. Gonna have to make note of getting into Ageless. Thanks alot for the input. 1
Super0Fluffy Posted April 19, 2020 Author Posted April 19, 2020 11 hours ago, Banana Man said: Early game or before you're tricked out with IOs, your core powers are probably gonna be -cauterizing aura (sustain, free damage) -fire sword circle (big damage aoe) -combustion (wide aoe) -energy torrent (fast cast aoe, you can use explosive blast if you're having trouble getting torrent to hit enough targets, but it's a slower cast for roughly the same damage, though with a higher target cap and bigger aoe) -burn -consume can probably help with end You're basically an aoe machine. Once you hit 50, start getting IOs and incarnates, you can proabably start running hot feet for even more free aoe damage, slot burn with the -resist proc, do good single target damage with the snipe, procced out burn, and fire sword (power burst is pretty bad, dps wise). I'd slot the KB to KD IO in your energy blast AoEs. Explosive blast might be better than combustion at that point, especially if you have a high recharge build. I threw this together real fast and it's not perfect, I also haven't made a PvE build in like a year, but here's a decent all-around pve build. 45ish% def to the common damage types, 50% damage bonus to all once you get the passive from assault hybrid, roughly 100% recharge before hasten once you get the passive from ageless. I'd recommend degen for interface. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1481;680;1360;HEX;| |78DA6D945B4F13511485CF69A7624B0B85520A72B32D142C306D01355E4954F0019| |A10497C6D8676522621EDA414B51A4DFC07DE12135B2EEA8BA8F1171113E39389A0| |EF04EBEEACDD42AC934EBF9975F63E7B9D7D6626F9E096FBCBEDA7B3427A6EAE69E| |BEBA91BF45FD40B8EA49635D2A276B4D0D9C772EA8E96CBEA19752EA717B2250407| |EB63CB1BA6992F14D579A3A0A7925ACE3037D6B4A291CF09D7523EBFA62E9BBA9E7| |15B978BBA661AB96C57FD26A317D6570D33B5A217358F25CE1BD9D52285F4CE9946| |5AAD97486AE9DAD4B5EB520FF91AA5F3A2A81F55FAD121EE1D2B8AF8A00891700AD| |B2EF323A87C024F7D06EF53B4448E43BEB163AC0C9EAE303741D716731B0C518BEC| |C895F67181F999611A73B03BC79ECDD22E71576BB55AA6A0B9A7C1C119F0EC79E60| |530F11D3EB5A8104E89F99C7E69692BA4B5B2D61A44DD34691EEE81670B73746E83| |FD3BCCB75CF31D28C9543B7B6DB73A6927A50333CB8E29ACB63340C200AD90C67C1| |8B3F9D8499797D9055EA5513FBBF0EFA24A7799E82356C089F7BC42767385A2039C| |139880D69360AADC9518188C838F28BA97BDF41ED82C7F677E30F7C187B5E718F3D| |AFBB8F660F9FF1E4A1435C03B3470C8B504D61FFC83FB61AE13E13A919FE02C650D| |B1FFA10A766D62139CDC626E3377C0C7141DE27AA159D4095F439D30D70DB38FE12| |3E665F009658D70EE88C07C11098EDA9876A602461DE0A1578831F4CD31C67B78CE| |C56C65BAC1A887D90676D3FE8FF3B331CEB9B12361F5E03A4185279BFA0DFE637BC| |CAF60869ED0383F6D71CEEF574EBCB9CFE0B1ED39F315E87DC17C090695FAAB5BAD| |2E441BF9D5A8F2EF7721DEA4249A94E92665A649596C529694C6D743484B717A1BD| |F84EABE8B46F9FD9493783F7F1D6B5206D111F75D74E1E064FC18E27F9FD45E63E7| |177C045EF95F24FBEB16| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| There's an error message while importing the build. It partially opened but there are gaps in the build.
Frostweaver Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 You need to download the Mid's patch... I forget where the update is, but 'update this' in mid's is not connected to anything... You have to download the newest volunteer patch manually. Can someone else recall where it is? 1
Camel Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) Here's a build I think I would run if I made this Blaster. Defenses aren't great, but the damage is pretty ridiculous. Proud of my slotting on Cauterizing Aura, Acc, Dmg, Heal and End Mod are all above 80% with some in the red values! Every Attack has a damage proc outside of Cauterizing Aura, Hot Feet and Explosive Blast, the latter of the two having utility procs in knockdown and +recharge. Ring of Fire, Fire Sword and Sniper Blast round out your ST attack chain with the occasional Power Bolt needed for lower levels. AoE is stupid good, I would probably open up with Bonfire + Energy Torrent to knock down the entire mob and begin getting +recharge procs to get your long recharge AoEs off cooldown. Then Nova + Burn + Fire Sword Circle. At this point, the entire mob is probably dead (lets be real, it is dead), BUT, if they aren't, thrown in an Explosive Blast and get even more recharge and rinse and repeat. The whole time that AoE rotation is happening, Cauterizing Aura and Hot Feet are dishing out 100's of damage. Whew... Things will literally melt and flop around like sautéed onions. I went with Sorcery for Rune of Protection to round out some resistance and mez protection. Has a considerable amount of uptime with all the +recharge procs going off. Hero Plan by Hero Hero Designer 2.23https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic BlasterPrimary Power Set: Energy BlastSecondary Power Set: Fire ManipulationPower Pool: SpeedPower Pool: ConcealmentPower Pool: SorceryPower Pool: FightingAncillary Pool: Flame Mastery Hero Profile:Level 1: Power Bolt -- HO:Nucle(A)Level 1: Ring of Fire -- Dvs-Acc/Dmg(A), Dvs-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Dvs-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), GldJvl-Dam%(46), TraoftheH-Dam%(46)Level 2: Fire Sword -- Hct-Dmg(A), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Hct-Acc/Rchg(5), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Hct-Dam%(9)Level 4: Energy Torrent -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(27), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(31), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), PstBls-Dam%(31), FrcFdb-Rechg%(34)Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7)Level 8: Sniper Blast -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Apc-Acc/Rchg(11), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Apc-Dam%(13)Level 10: Fire Sword Circle -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(13), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(19), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25), Obl-%Dam(27)Level 12: Aim -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), RechRdx-I(46)Level 14: Stealth -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(15), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(17), Rct-ResDam%(17)Level 16: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A)Level 18: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)Level 20: Cauterizing Aura -- Arm-Dmg(A), EffAdp-EndMod(21), EffAdp-EndMod/Acc(21), TchoftheN-Heal(23), TchoftheN-Acc/Heal(23), HO:Nucle(25)Level 22: Spirit Ward -- Prv-Absorb%(A)Level 24: Rune of Protection -- TtnCtn-ResDam/Rchg(A), TtnCtn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(43)Level 26: Explosive Blast -- SprDfnBrr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprDfnBrr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), SprDfnBrr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), SprDfnBrr-Rchg/+Status Protect(40), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(42), FrcFdb-Rechg%(42)Level 28: Consume -- EffAdp-EndMod/Rchg(A), EffAdp-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(29), PrfShf-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(29)Level 30: Boxing -- Empty(A)Level 32: Nova -- Arm-Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Arm-Acc/Rchg(33), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Arm-Dam%(34), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(34)Level 35: Burn -- SprBlsWrt-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsWrt-Dmg/Rchg(36), SprBlsWrt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprBlsWrt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprBlsWrt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprBlsWrt-Rchg/Dmg%(37)Level 38: Hot Feet -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(39), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(40)Level 41: Bonfire -- OvrFrc-Dam/KB(A), RechRdx-I(50)Level 44: Fire Shield -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(45), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45), UnbGrd-Max HP%(45)Level 47: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(48), RctArm-ResDam(48), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(48)Level 49: Weave -- LucoftheG-Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(50), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)Level 1: Defiance Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Clr-Stlth(A)Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(3), Mrc-Rcvry+(3)Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A)Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve Level 0: Portal Jockey Level 0: Task Force Commander Level 0: The Atlas Medallion Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon Level 50: Pyronic Core Final Judgement Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany Level 50: Assault Core Embodiment ------------ Edited April 19, 2020 by cazden121 1
ninja surprise Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Forums are funny. OP: I'm level 24 and can't afford SOs. Replies: Here's level 50 builds with every proc, purple, super-rare, and AT IO in the game. Super0Fluffy - if you have some time you can make some money by going into the /ah, look for level 50 - 54 SOs, bid about 10k on 'em, then sell them to the matching origin store for max inf. If you ran TFs go to a merit vendor and trade the merits for enhancement boosters. Those sell for about 1.5 mil. You can also browse the /ah for cheap recipes and sell them to a store (typically bid 1k and sell for 15k, etc) It takes a while, but if you bid in the evening and log back in the next afternoon you'll usually have purchased a lot of stuff to sell, and then you're on the way to cash-flush. Edited April 24, 2020 by ninja surprise 1 1
Rathulfr Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 On 4/17/2020 at 8:47 PM, Super0Fluffy said: Dont have enough cash to get SO's at the moment, but I'll keep what you said in mind when I get the money. What's your global handle, @Super0Fluffy? I'm willing to help out a fellow Energy Blaster. I've got a few of them myself. Unfortunately, I haven't played a */Fire Blaster since retail, so I have no idea how to build one or offer advice on leveling one up. 1 1 @Rathstar Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer
Rathulfr Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) I'll take a stab at a simple starter build that you might try and others can improve upon. This is a "hover blaster" build: all ranged, no melee. It emphasizes hovering up and over your targets to attack them safely from range. This is actually contrary to many */Fire builds, which are more geared toward "blapping" in melee. I'm sure someone else will post a blapper build, at some point. If you want to play a blapper, ignore me completely (LOL). The build below includes SOs and minimum level IOs that offer key procs. I know that you probably can't afford those IOs right now: I just put them there as placeholders for your consideration. Feel free to ignore the IOs and just slot them with the appropriate SOs, instead, until you get some cash and can start buying attuned versions of the IOs. Spoiler Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.7https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Super0Fluffy: Level 31 Magic BlasterPrimary Power Set: Energy BlastSecondary Power Set: Fire ManipulationPower Pool: SpeedPower Pool: FlightPower Pool: LeapingPower Pool: Fighting Hero Profile:Level 1: Power Bolt -- Dmg(A), Dmg(3), Dmg(3)Level 1: Ring of Fire -- Acc(A)Level 2: Power Blast -- Dmg(A), Dmg(5), Dmg(5)Level 4: Hasten -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(9), RechRdx(9)Level 6: Power Burst -- Dmg(A), Dmg(11), Dmg(11)Level 8: Sniper Blast -- Dmg(A), Dmg(13), Dmg(13)Level 10: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Flight(15), Flight(15)Level 12: Aim -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), RechRdx(17), RechRdx(17)Level 14: Fly -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)Level 16: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(19), DefBuff(19)Level 18: Kick -- Empty(A)Level 20: Cauterizing Aura -- EndMod(A), EndMod(21), EndMod(21)Level 22: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ImpSki-Status(23), GldArm-3defTpProc(23)Level 24: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), DefBuff(25), DefBuff(25)Level 26: Explosive Blast -- Dmg(A), Dmg(27), Dmg(27)Level 28: Consume -- EndMod(A), EndMod(29), EndMod(29)Level 30: Build Up -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(31), RechRdx(31)Level 32: Nova -- Dmg(A), Dmg(33), Dmg(33)Level 35: Burn -- Dmg(A), Dmg(36), Dmg(36)Level 38: [Empty] Level 41: [Empty] Level 44: [Empty] Level 47: [Empty] Level 49: [Empty] Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)Level 1: Defiance Level 1: Quick Form Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx(A)Level 2: Rest -- EndMod(A)Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Flight(A)Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(7)Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump(A)Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(7)------------ Edited April 24, 2020 by Rathulfr 1 1 @Rathstar Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer
Super0Fluffy Posted April 25, 2020 Author Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Rathulfr said: What's your global handle, @Super0Fluffy? I'm willing to help out a fellow Energy Blaster. I've got a few of them myself. Unfortunately, I haven't played a */Fire Blaster since retail, so I have no idea how to build one or offer advice on leveling one up. Mine is @JamesNapalm, thanks very much! Edited April 25, 2020 by Super0Fluffy
Rathulfr Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Super0Fluffy said: Mine is @JamesNapalm, thanks very much! In game Email sent! 1 @Rathstar Energy/Energy Blaster (50+3) on Everlasting Energy/Temporal Blaster (50+3) on Excelsior Energy/Willpower Sentinel (50+3) on Indomitable Energy/Energy Sentinel (50+1) on Torchbearer
Frostweaver Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 On 4/24/2020 at 11:38 AM, ninja surprise said: Forums are funny. OP: I'm level 24 and can't afford SOs. Replies: Here's level 50 builds with every proc, purple, super-rare, and AT IO in the game. Snark. It's amazing to me that an entire generation is incapable of real humor or even meaningful irony. The post was perfectly appropriate for the original OP question.
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