are minions "teammates"?

[Papaschtroumpf]

Dome powers like Grant Invisibility or Vengenace apply to teammates. does that include minions? 

Could I stealth a mission by granting invisibility to minions and having them follow me on passive? (or even defensive)

Do my minions benefit from the Vengeance buff (I'm assuming I can;t use Vengeance on a dead minion though, that would be too easy)

 

[Redlynne]

2 hours ago, Papaschtroumpf said:

Some powers like Grant Invisibility or Vengenace apply to teammates. does that include minions?

Grant Invisibility yes.

Vengeance no.

2 hours ago, Papaschtroumpf said:

Could I stealth a mission by granting invisibility to minions and having them follow me on passive? (or even defensive)

You'll need to have another power granting them stealth above and beyond Grant Invisibility in order to do this.  Grant Invisibility gets them "halfway" to being able to not draw aggro.  Without a second power to supplement Grant Invisibility, they can still get too close and draw aggro ... but with a second power supplementing they can stand right next to hostile foes and not be noticed ... so it really depends on what you can get from your secondary/team.

 

It occurs to me that no one has really tested what would happen if combining a Stealth proc IO in either Group Fly (Stealth effect only lasts while toggled on) or Team Teleport (Stealth effect lasts for 120s after teleporting) or even Inertial Reduction from Kinetics (Stealth effect lasts for 120s after use) and then combining THAT with Grant Invisibility to achieve "double stacked stealth" effects for yourself AND your pets.  The question is whether the Stealth proc effect gets shared out to everyone affected by the power(s) or if the Stealth proc effect only affects the caster.  Some research on this point may be required for an answer.

 

In a lot of cases though, the simplest way to handle this is to dismiss the Pets, use "stacked double Stealth" effects on yourself, "ninja" the mission to where you want to be (presumably at the end) and then resummon them nearby to where you want to fight ... thereby sidestepping the whole question of "herding cats" during the trip to your destination.

2 hours ago, Papaschtroumpf said:

Do my minions benefit from the Vengeance buff (I'm assuming I can;t use Vengeance on a dead minion though, that would be too easy)

They can be buffed by Vengeance, but they can't be the $Target you use to cast Vengeance.  You can only use Vengeance on a (and I quote) ... DeadLeaguemate ... which for all practical purposes means defeated PCs only.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Redlynne

[Papaschtroumpf]

Oh, so they do get buffed by vengeance. Neat!

 

I think stealth (the individual power) doesn't stack with a stealth IO (e.g. in sprint). You need SS or steamy mist or... to provide the "2nd half" but don't know about the group flavor. 

[Redlynne]

2 hours ago, Papaschtroumpf said:

I think stealth (the individual power) doesn't stack with a stealth IO (e.g. in sprint). You need SS or steamy mist or... to provide the "2nd half" but don't know about the group flavor.

Actually, Stealth (the power) DOES stack with a Stealth IO (slot wherever most convenient for your build).

It was also just tested and found that Grant Invisibility DOES give "full invisibility" (no extra buffing required) to Pets in this other thread.

[Papaschtroumpf]

Woot awesome. I agree in most cases you can dismiss and respawn but I have been in TFs were there isn't an out of the way spot, so you port in and start fighting. Harder to do as a MM.

[tidge]

My Bots/Traps MM used Grant Invisibility quite a lot on the Bots on low level solo runs (*1). My recollection is that they were 'good boys' and didn't draw aggro while passive.

 

(*1) That toon ran many blue-side Aaron Thiery (Atlas Park) arcs specifically for Door Buster and detours into Perez Park to fight Hellion bosses (badges, drops). The (3) bots would be hit with Grant Invisibility to get past the Perez Park spawns I wasn't interested in engaging.

[Dixa]

all teammates are minions imo.