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I have never played a sentinel or the ninjitsu set and was wondering if anyone has a build I could take a look at? Trying to figure out a decent def/resist build with mystic flight. Looked around and found only one build at lvl 50 that was not workable. Thanks

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Here's mine, which may be the unusable lv 50 one you were talking about: 

 

There's a lot of wiggle room in this combo to make it yours, but what I focused on was building a character that was versatile, with control elements and durability to help offset its lower damage output compared to a Blaster. The key things I did which I personally like are:

-The build has two heals, a recovery power, and softcapped positional defenses.

-Mystic Flight

-I slotted Umbral Torrent to do KD rather than KB, and also give a chance to crank recharge.

-Blackstar up every 25 Seconds.

-Soul Mastery gives a Cone Immob as on top of Darkest Night, which work extremely well together by locking enemies in place in the radius of Darkest Night where they have a damage and respectable (though I wish I could have made it more subtantial) -ToHit Debuff. 

-Antiumbral Beam, Gloom, and Abyssal Gaze give a continuous 1-2-3 Single Target Chain.

-Umbral Torrent, Dark Obliteration, and Soul Tentacles make a continuous (though at closer range than I'd like) 1-2-3 AoE chain.

 

If you want to pump the damage, the first thing I would do is trade out Gloom for Dark Blast. Dark Blast's power is *incredibly* low, but it triggers Offensive Opportunity, which should be helpful. I went for Gloom because I prefer the attack, but I'm considering chancing it for the sake of the mechanic. 

 

 

I'm sure others could either improve on this build or make something better, but I hope it gives you a starting point or something to consider!

 

 

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Level 50 Magic Sentinel
Primary Power Set: Dark Blast
Secondary Power Set: Ninjitsu
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Gloom -- Dcm-Acc/Dmg(A), Dcm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Dcm-Dmg/EndRdx(17), CldSns-%Dam(40), Dcm-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dcm-Build%(50)
Level 1: Ninja Reflexes -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(33), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(34)
Level 2: Danger Sense -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(25), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(25)
Level 4: Umbral Torrent -- OvrFrc-Dam/KB(A), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(15), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End(43), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg(43), OvrFrc-Dmg/End/Rech(46), FrcFdb-Rechg%(50)
Level 6: Shinobi-Iri -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(7), Ksm-ToHit+(13), Clr-Stlth(48)
Level 8: Abyssal Gaze -- SprOppStr-Rchg/+Opportunity(A), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), SprOppStr-Dmg/Rchg(9), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg(11), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 10: Kuji-In Rin -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 16: Seishinteki Kyoyo -- PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg(A), EffAdp-EndMod/Rchg(17), SynSck-EndMod/Rech(48)
Level 18: Antumbral Beam -- SprSntWar-Rchg/+Absorb(A), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg(19), SprSntWar-Dmg/Rchg(40), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 20: Kuji-In Sha -- Prv-Heal/Rchg(A), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(21), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(21), Prv-Heal(23), Prv-Absorb%(23), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(37)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(50)
Level 26: Life Drain -- Apc-Dam%(A), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Apc-Acc/Rchg(27), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Apc-Dmg/Rchg(29), TchoftheN-%Dam(31)
Level 28: Bo Ryaku -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 32: Blackstar -- Arm-Dam%(A), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Arm-Acc/Rchg(33), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Arm-Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Dark Obliteration -- SprFrzBls-Rchg/ImmobProc(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(36), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg(37), CldSns-%Dam(37)
Level 38: Soul Tentacles -- Rgn-Knock%(A), Rgn-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(39), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(42), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(42)
Level 44: Tactics -- GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(45), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(45), GssSynFr--ToHit(45), GssSynFr--Build%(46), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Darkest Night -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Aim -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Opportunity 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- IntRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(5), Mrc-Rcvry+(5)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PwrTrns-+Heal(A), PwrTrns-EndMod(3), PrfShf-End%(3)
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon 
Level 50: Void Core Final Judgement 
Level 50: Degenerative Core Flawless Interface 
Level 50: Banished Pantheon Radial Superior Ally 
Level 50: Rebirth Core Epiphany 
Level 50: Assault Core Embodiment 
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27 minutes ago, Triuman said:

Thanks for a place to start. The one I was referring to was not this it had flight 6 slotted , 5 in health some were 7 slotted and had pretty much 0 def. Just had no clue on where to go with Ninjitsu.

Ninjutsu is a pretty friendly set to slot. It goes off of positional (Melee, Ranged, AoE) defenses, so you can focus on the buffs which get them to softcap and then leave room for other sets. 

 

Once you hit softcap, I would focus on Recharge and Recovery until you hit close to Perma-Hasten. That'll help get your heals back online faster as well as help you recover endurance more swiftly with Seishinteki Kyoyo once it comes off of cooldown. After that, I'd bump resistance and damage. 

 

Musculature works really well as the Alpha for Sentinels because it helps bump their naturally low damage.

 

I would go for either Degenerative or Diamagnetic for the Interface. Diamagnetic can help you double-down on the ToHit and ass -Regen to help you handle bigger baddies, while Degenerative gives -HP debuff procs and added Toxic damage. YMMV, but those are the two I'd recommend.

 

For Destiny, I would grab Rebirth for added healing. Again, YMMV. 

 

For Judgment, I went with Void Radial, but either Void works. It's basically a second cast of Blackstar. What's not to like?

 

For Lore, I went with the Banished Pantheon, but you can honestly grab anything there. They should all be fine. 

 

For Hybrid I chose Assault, but you could probably go for Melee if you believed you were going to spend a lot of time here. 

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21 minutes ago, Mercurias said:

Ninjutsu is a pretty friendly set to slot. It goes off of positional (Melee, Ranged, AoE) defenses, so you can focus on the buffs which get them to softcap and then leave room for other sets. 

 

Once you hit softcap, I would focus on Recharge and Recovery until you hit close to Perma-Hasten. That'll help get your heals back online faster as well as help you recover endurance more swiftly with Seishinteki Kyoyo once it comes off of cooldown. After that, I'd bump resistance and damage. 

 

Musculature works really well as the Alpha for Sentinels because it helps bump their naturally low damage.

 

I would go for either Degenerative or Diamagnetic for the Interface. Diamagnetic can help you double-down on the ToHit and ass -Regen to help you handle bigger baddies, while Degenerative gives -HP debuff procs and added Toxic damage. YMMV, but those are the two I'd recommend.

 

For Destiny, I would grab Rebirth for added healing. Again, YMMV. 

 

For Judgment, I went with Void Radial, but either Void works. It's basically a second cast of Blackstar. What's not to like?

 

For Lore, I went with the Banished Pantheon, but you can honestly grab anything there. They should all be fine. 

 

For Hybrid I chose Assault, but you could probably go for Melee if you believed you were going to spend a lot of time here. 

Appreciate the advice

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Some things to caution/consider: 

 

1) Dark Blast vs Gloom isn't necessarily a big positive.  The value here is going to depend a lot on global recharge because in general Gloom > Dark Blast.  Offensive Opportunity by itself isn't worth that much of a DPS increase.  It often ranges in the low single digits (+3 to 6 overall DPS).  

 

2) Life Drain as a heal is hot garbage, and frankly isn't worth the pick most of the time.  Gloom's base damage-per-activation is higher than Life Drain.  With enough recharge you can chain cast Gloom, Abyssal Gaze, and Antumbral Beam.  So Life Drain is optional.  It can be a fun power though, and it can also benefit from various damage/utility procs from various sets.  

 

3) You do want defense (melee, range, aoe) at, or very close to, 45%.  Dark Blast as a set includes a good bit of -to hit which can help pad things out for you.  Still, the more +defense you can build the better off you are.

 

4) You started off asking for something fairly specific (X and Y sets plus Mystic Flight).  Unfortunately, not that many people post builds in this subforum.  My recommendation is to do two separate searches.  One search for nin and one search for dark.  You should be able to cobble together a build by looking at how others have constructed their characters.  That should work even if they aren't doing specific things like taking Mystic Flight (which as a power doesn't require anything for slots).  Dark Blast and Nin have some synergy with the debuff plus defense.  That said, there isn't so strong a synergy here that a specific path exists.  You can build Nin to soft-cap or get really close.  You can do that with *any* primary.  You can get a consistent set of damage out of Dark and that isn't unique to using Nin, at all.  

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20 hours ago, oldskool said:

Some things to caution/consider: 

 

1) Dark Blast vs Gloom isn't necessarily a big positive.  The value here is going to depend a lot on global recharge because in general Gloom > Dark Blast.  Offensive Opportunity by itself isn't worth that much of a DPS increase.  It often ranges in the low single digits (+3 to 6 overall DPS).  

 

2) Life Drain as a heal is hot garbage, and frankly isn't worth the pick most of the time.  Gloom's base damage-per-activation is higher than Life Drain.  With enough recharge you can chain cast Gloom, Abyssal Gaze, and Antumbral Beam.  So Life Drain is optional.  It can be a fun power though, and it can also benefit from various damage/utility procs from various sets.  

 

3) You do want defense (melee, range, aoe) at, or very close to, 45%.  Dark Blast as a set includes a good bit of -to hit which can help pad things out for you.  Still, the more +defense you can build the better off you are.

 

4) You started off asking for something fairly specific (X and Y sets plus Mystic Flight).  Unfortunately, not that many people post builds in this subforum.  My recommendation is to do two separate searches.  One search for nin and one search for dark.  You should be able to cobble together a build by looking at how others have constructed their characters.  That should work even if they aren't doing specific things like taking Mystic Flight (which as a power doesn't require anything for slots).  Dark Blast and Nin have some synergy with the debuff plus defense.  That said, there isn't so strong a synergy here that a specific path exists.  You can build Nin to soft-cap or get really close.  You can do that with *any* primary.  You can get a consistent set of damage out of Dark and that isn't unique to using Nin, at all.  

I asked for x and y due to not being familiar with nin or sentinel. Thanks for all the advice.

 

 

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I have a dark/nin i was considering respeccing but i find it difficult to fit epics in on them as it means giving up a lot of power pools or primary attacks. I couldn't play it without hasten/ss/cj as i love the mobility. If you have to have mystic flight in it purely for travel or were you planning on using it as a hoverblaster? It eats end up so i feel like you'd have to take hover and switch between them when fighting. I tried making a build with epics but it meant dropping leadership and speed so your to hit and recharge aren't great but if that doesn't bother you.....:

 

 

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DARK NIN MYSTIC: Level 50 Magic Sentinel
Primary Power Set: Dark Blast
Secondary Power Set: Ninjitsu
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Dark Mastery

Hero Profile:
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Level 1:    Dark Blast            SprOppStr-Rchg/+Opportunity:50(A), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(3), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(3), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(5), SprOppStr-Dmg/Rchg:50(5), SprOppStr-Acc/Dmg:50(7)
Level 1:    Ninja Reflexes            LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP:50(7), ShlWal-Def:50(9), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx:50(9)
Level 2:    Gloom                Apc-Dam%:50(A), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(11), Apc-Acc/Rchg:50(11), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(13), Apc-Dmg:50(13), CldSns-%Dam:30(15)
Level 4:    Umbral Torrent            FrcFdb-Rechg%:50(A), SuddAcc--KB/+KD:50(15), Bmbdmt-+FireDmg:30(17), Bmbdmt-Acc/Dam/Rech/End:50(17), Bmbdmt-Acc/Rech/End:50(19), Ann-ResDeb%:50(19)
Level 6:    Abyssal Gaze            SprSntWar-Rchg/+Absorb:50(A), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(21), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(21), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(23), SprSntWar-Dmg/Rchg:50(23), SprSntWar-Acc/Dmg:50(25)
Level 8:    Hover                LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), Ksm-ToHit+:30(33), BlsoftheZ-Travel:50(34), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx:50(50)
Level 10:    Danger Sense            LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), Rct-ResDam%:50(25), Rct-Def:50(27), Rct-Def/EndRdx:50(27)
Level 12:    Dark Obliteration        SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx:50(29), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(29), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg:50(31), SprFrzBls-Rchg/ImmobProc:50(31), PstBls-Dam%:50(31)
Level 14:    Shinobi-Iri            LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(33), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx:50(33)
Level 16:    Kuji-In Rin            HO:Ribo(A)
Level 18:    Seishinteki Kyoyo        PrfShf-End%:50(A), PrfShf-EndMod/Rchg:50(34), PrfShf-EndMod:50(34)
Level 20:    Kuji-In Sha            Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx:50(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg:50(36), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), Prv-Heal/EndRdx:50(36), Prv-Heal:50(37)
Level 22:    Mystic Flight            BlsoftheZ-Travel:50(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB:50(43)
Level 24:    Spirit Ward            Prv-Absorb%:50(A)
Level 26:    Rune of Protection        Ags-ResDam/Rchg:50(A), Ags-ResDam:50(40), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43)
Level 28:    Bo Ryaku            GldArm-3defTpProc:50(A), UnbGrd-Max HP%:50(39), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(39), UnbGrd-ResDam:50(40), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx:50(40)
Level 30:    Kick                Empty(A)
Level 32:    Blackstar            Arm-Dam%:50(A), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx:50(48), Arm-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Arm-Dmg:50(50)
Level 35:    Tough                StdPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(A), Ags-Psi/Status:50(37), Ags-ResDam:50(37), Ags-ResDam/EndRdx:50(39)
Level 38:    Weave                LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(43), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx:50(45)
Level 41:    Netherworld Tentacles        Artl-End/Rech/Rng:50(A), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng:50(42), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech:50(42), Artl-Dam/Rech:50(42), Artl-Dam/End:50(46), Artl-Acc/Dam:50(46)
Level 44:    Netherworld Grasp        GldJvl-Acc/Dmg:50(A), GldJvl-Dam%:50(45), GldJvl-Dam/End/Rech:50(45), GldJvl-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech:50(46), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%:50(50)
Level 47:    Aim                RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 49:    Darkest Night            EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 1:    Brawl                Empty(A)
Level 1:    Opportunity    
Level 1:    Prestige Power Dash        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Slide        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Quick        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Rush        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Prestige Power Surge        Empty(A)
Level 1:    Sprint                Empty(A)
Level 2:    Rest                Empty(A)
Level 4:    Ninja Run    
Level 2:    Swift                Flight-I:50(A)
Level 2:    Health                Pnc-Heal/+End:50(A)
Level 2:    Hurdle                Jump-I:50(A)
Level 2:    Stamina                PrfShf-End%:50(A)
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I've been theory crafting a bunch of sentinels recently, including dark/ninj.  I've found the best #s by going proc heavy and using psi epic for extra attacks w/ practical lower cds and mind link to make hitting softcap def easier.  Abyssal gaze, life drain and dark oblit are all able to take on multiple dmg procs and it really boosts the overall dmg output siginificantly. I take dark blast over gloom (though gloom has the better DPA) to get the extra dmg from opportunity.  Intuition radial paragon alpha is a nice choice for the dmg/hold/-tohit. Build is a few seconds shy of perma hasten but w/ any team buffs it should be easily attainable.  Barrier for destiny would probably be best for the added dmg resis and extra def to counter debuffs, as heals and +end shouldn't be a problem at all.

 

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