Requesting help for a Whips/Pain Mastermind build

[Penguin]

I know that petless Masterminds are generally seen as quite weak, but I want to see just how far this can be pushed in performance. The build type I'm looking for is something to work similar to a scrapper with a bit of support mixed in. Ideally, the three whip attacks should be the primary sources of damage, with absolute minimal usage of other attacks like Cross Punch. I'm not sure if this is possible to be viable, but I'd still like to see what can be done with min/maxing.

[StrikerFox]

A whip attack chain is doable. Cor-Lash-Cor-Crack-repeat, does't need a lot of recharge to run. As long as Crack Whip's recharge is 4.9s or less, the chain will be seamless. 

[Penguin]

That's true and definitely a good start. My main issue is that I'm not very familiar with sets, certainly not enough to min/max.

 

[Penguin]

Another note: if anyone reading this is willing to make a build in Mids for this, please do! I'd love to see what someone who knows what they're doing can make for this concept!

 

[plainguy]

This is going to be your road block.. Endurance.. I Power level all my Petless and semi petless ( last pet only ) mastermind builds. 

I tried doing it the old fashion way but I got to 28 and just couldn't handle the frustration of it.  Incarnates is what balances it out.  

 

This is my Merc Pain I am still working on.. It was Contra Game Theme.. Bill Rizer and Lance Bean was the Pet.. 

 

Edited because I had unleash potential on so it inflated numbers.. Don't like posting a build like that as it appears false.

 

Also I think Unleash Potential has changed.. So the MIDs numbers are incorrect.. 

 

If you could also get Smash and Lethal maxed along with range that would be good as well. 

As you can see endurance is an issue. 

1.48 use over 2.58 recovery.. Recovery should be 3 points over use.. So it should be 1.48 over 3.48 at a minimum. 

The unique IOs get you some added endurance but it is not added in the MIDS numbers..  But still not close to 3.48...  
You need World of Pain Perma.. If you could do it without hasten that would be good as well this way WOP could be auto.. But I cannot figure it out ATM..

Ideally you would want Range/Melee or Smash /Lethal with S/L resistance cap and it would be kick good. I can do this on trick arrow and they are fun builds..

Look at my signature as it links to my petless thread. Maybe you can peel some ideas off that as well.  

 

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Level 50 Natural Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Mercenaries
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Force of Will
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Burst -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(25), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 1: Nullify Pain -- DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx(A), DctWnd-EndRdx/Rchg(39), DctWnd-Heal/Rchg(40), DctWnd-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(40), DctWnd-Heal(40)
Level 2: Slug -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(5), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 4: Soothe -- Mrc-Heal/Rchg(A), Mrc-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mrc-Heal(36)
Level 6: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 8: M30 Grenade -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(9), Artl-Dam/Rech(9), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(11), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(13), Artl-End/Rech/Rng(15)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(11), LucoftheG-Def(48)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(36), StdPrt-ResKB(50)
Level 16: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(17), LucoftheG-Def(23)
Level 18: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(19), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(19), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(21), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(21), GssSynFr--Build%(23)
Level 20: Suppress Pain -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(37), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(37), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(37), NmnCnv-Heal(39), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(39)
Level 22: Mighty Leap -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(42)
Level 24: Equip Mercenary -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 26: Commando -- ExpRnf-Acc/Rchg(A), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg(27), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx(27), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), ExpRnf-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(29), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(31)
Level 28: World of Pain -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(33), Ags-ResDam/Rchg(34), TtnCtn-ResDam/Rchg(34)
Level 30: Super Speed -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel(42)
Level 32: Tactical Upgrade -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Project Will -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(43), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 38: Dark Embrace -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(42), RctArm-EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 41: Oppressive Gloom -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(48)
Level 44: Unleash Potential -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-Def/Rchg(45), Rct-Def/Rchg(45), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(45), RechRdx-I(46), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 47: Painbringer -- HrmHln-Heal/Rchg(A), HrmHln-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Anguishing Cry -- ShlBrk-%Dam(A), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(50)
Level 1: Supremacy 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Heal(3)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(3)
Level 30: Speed Phase 
Level 22: Takeoff 
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 26: Commando 
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Edited July 14, 2021 by plainguy

[carnalchaos]

Just ran a Moonfire task force with a petless MM that used the whip attacks and fighting pool.  We were 4 missions in before I realized he was petless!

 

He was really great, made me roll a demon MM just for the whips.  Vas'xxxx something on Exceslior.

[plainguy]

On 7/26/2021 at 11:42 PM, carnalchaos said:

Just ran a Moonfire task force with a petless MM that used the whip attacks and fighting pool.  We were 4 missions in before I realized he was petless!

 

He was really great, made me roll a demon MM just for the whips.  Vas'xxxx something on Exceslior.

I usually run solo don't want to cause any static.. 

[Crysis]

@plainguy is the crazy petless MM.  I’ve tried it and ended up respeccing into full MM builds it as I just didn’t like the feel of playing a MM minus pets.  
 

But to the Endurance issues, I just stocked up on recovery serum, the Survival Amplifier, refreshed my base recovery empowerment buff frequently and also took a secondary (three different ones for three different builds) like Kin, Time or Cold for the +End.  On Cold, Heat Loss slotted up on a high recharge build is dang near as powerful as Destiny Ageless by itself.  Endurance was very manageable that way.  The Victory Rush power is also useful.

 

Endurance isn’t a huge issue in HC due to all the buffs available from different sources.

Edited August 6, 2021 by Crysis

[SmalltalkJava]

On 7/14/2021 at 3:24 PM, plainguy said:

You need World of Pain Perma.. If you could do it without hasten that would be good as well this way WOP could be auto.. But I cannot figure it out ATM..

This won't help you make WOP perma.  but you can use this to make hasten and WOP auto fire.  I use this trick on several of my toons for various skills + hasten.  It works beautifully

 

 

[plainguy]

9 hours ago, SmalltalkJava said:

This won't help you make WOP perma.  but you can use this to make hasten and WOP auto fire.  I use this trick on several of my toons for various skills + hasten.  It works beautifully

 

 

amazing 

 

Thank you

[Penguin]

I didn't notice this got revived. Thank you all for your advice.