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Capella

Capella

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I am trying to figure out why my brute, while softcapped to S/L, capped to S/L resists, and hits like a mule, is bleeding endurance. I have an EM/Inv tank without these issues, but he's built around Kinetic Combat sets. Any ideas?

 

Thanking you in advance, here's Gigantine.

 

Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.1.25
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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Energy Melee
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Energy Punch

  • (A) Absolute Amazement - Chance for ToHit Debuff

Level 1: Resist Physical Damage

  • (A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
  • (3) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
  • (3) Unbreakable Guard - RechargeTime/Resistance
  • (5) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (5) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
  • (7) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 2: Temp Invulnerability

  • (A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
  • (7) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
  • (9) Unbreakable Guard - RechargeTime/Resistance
  • (9) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime

Level 4: Bone Smasher

  • (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
  • (40) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
  • (40) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
  • (43) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 6: Kick

  • (A) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 8: Build Up

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (11) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (11) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
  • (13) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge

Level 10: Resist Elements

  • (A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
  • (15) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
  • (15) Unbreakable Guard - RechargeTime/Resistance
  • (37) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime

Level 12: Hasten

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (13) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 14: Dull Pain

  • (A) Numina's Convalesence - Heal
  • (37) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
  • (39) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
  • (39) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance
  • (46) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 16: Whirling Hands

  • (A) Superior Brute's Fury - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (17) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (17) Superior Brute's Fury - Recharge/Fury Bonus
  • (19) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
  • (19) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
  • (21) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal)

Level 18: Combat Jumping

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (21) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 20: Resist Energies

  • (A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
  • (25) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
  • (25) Unbreakable Guard - Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (37) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (40) Impervious Skin - Status Resistance

Level 22: Unyielding

  • (A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (23) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
  • (23) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
  • (39) Unbreakable Guard - Endurance/RechargeTime

Level 24: Tough

  • (A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
  • (42) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
  • (46) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (50) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP

Level 26: Total Focus

  • (A) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage
  • (27) Superior Brute's Fury - Damage/Recharge
  • (27) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (29) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage
  • (29) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
  • (31) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)

Level 28: Invincibility

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (34) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
  • (36) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
  • (36) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
  • (36) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 30: Weave

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (42) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 32: Energy Transfer

  • (A) Superior Blistering Cold - Recharge/Chance for Hold
  • (33) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  • (33) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage
  • (33) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance
  • (34) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (34) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 35: Super Speed

  • (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure

Level 38: Super Jump

  • (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure

Level 41: Tough Hide

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 44: Electrifying Fences

  • (A) Bombardment - Damage
  • (45) Bombardment - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (46) Bombardment - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge/Endurance

Level 47: Ball Lightning

  • (A) Bombardment - Damage
  • (48) Bombardment - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (48) Bombardment - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge/Endurance
  • (48) Bombardment - Chance for Fire Damage

Level 49: Static Discharge

  • (A) Bombardment - Damage
  • (50) Bombardment - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (50) Bombardment - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge/Endurance

Level 1: Brawl

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

  • (A) Empty

Level 1: Fury 


Level 1: Sprint

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Snarky

Snarky

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I am away from my comp that has mids.  But I will say that i saw at least six powers slotted with unbreakable guard.  There is a “rule of 5” whereas any set bonus can only be used 5 times (even from different sets!)

 

You may want to look up Hyperstrike’s write ups on Invulnerability Armor.  It is the gold standard for Invul in my opinion.  Seriously the bedrock of many bulletproof builds

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If you are regularly using Static Discharge, Ball Lightning, and Total Focus back-to-back then you are sucking down approximately 45 End with a single use of those three powers. You're feeling, hard, the trade-off of proc'ing out Total Focus. Personally, it does enough damage on it's own to justify not proc'ing it out and slotting it with a set to get some End Reduction in there. Then add in the End 'crash' from Hasten and, when timing isn't in your favor, you're losing, literally, more than half your Endurance within just a few seconds.

 

I would strongly suggest re-thinking the build approach in terms of:

  • Removing procs from Total Focus and putting a 'proper' set in with End Redux.
  • Respec into Energy Mastery for Superior Conditioning and Physical Perfection.

Your Recovery jumps to 3.28/s doing the Mu-to-Mastery swap without putting anything in those empty slots. A quick glance says that filling those now freed up slots may well bring your S/L Res back to where they were with Mu powers. 

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Capella

Capella

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Thank you all so much--I'm going to first try out changing the build but keeping Mu, as it is part of the character's concept. If that doesn't work, I'll drop it for Energy Mastery. I will also post my changed builds and how they are performing.

 

 

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Hyperstrike

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As you've noted, your build is rather piggy on End.
Also, you have NOT grabbed your Accolades yet.
You also haven't looked into an Alpha.  Suggesting Cardiac.
Also, as noted, you've exceeded Rule of 5 on your Resist sets.
This looks like a derivative of my Invuln framework.
There's several reasons why all three of the passive "Resist X" powers use Reactive Armor.
A: Passive, so they suck no end.  So you can load up on maximum set Resist without worrying about resting consumption.
B: Shores up your Defenses.

With a slight rework.
 

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Oooh.  Pretty!: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Energy Melee
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Energy Punch -- SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), SprBrtFur-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(3), SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(5), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7), GldArm-3defTpProc(9), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(9)
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(11), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(11), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 4: Bone Smasher -- SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBrtFur-Dmg/Rchg(17), SprBrtFur-Rech/Fury%(17), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19)
Level 6: Kick -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A)
Level 8: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Resist Elements -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(21), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(21), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 14: Dull Pain -- Prv-Heal/Rchg(A), Prv-Absorb%(25)
Level 16: Whirling Hands -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(25), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(29)
Level 18: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31)
Level 20: Resist Energies -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(31), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(31), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 22: Unyielding -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(33), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(50), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 24: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(33), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(34), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 26: Total Focus -- SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg(A), SprUnrFur-Dmg/Rchg(34), SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprUnrFur-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), SprUnrFur-Rchg/+Regen/+End(37)
Level 28: Invincibility -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(37), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(37)
Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(39), Rct-ResDam%(39)
Level 32: Energy Transfer -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(39), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(40), SprBlsCol-Rchg/HoldProc(42)
Level 35: Tough Hide -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(42)
Level 38: Electrifying Fences -- SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx(42), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(43), SprFrzBls-Rchg/ImmobProc(45)
Level 41: Ball Lightning -- OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg(A), OvrFrc-End/Rech(45), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End(45), OvrFrc-Dmg/End/Rech(46), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(46)
Level 44: Static Discharge -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(46), Artl-Dam/Rech(48), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(48), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(48), Artl-End/Rech/Rng(50)
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), RgnTss-Regen+(13), Mrc-Rcvry+(15)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(15)
Level 1: Energy Focus
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
Level 50: Born In Battle
Level 50: High Pain Threshold
Level 50: Invader
Level 50: Marshal
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Hello Capella,

 

I looked at the builds posted. Agreed with the previous comments about end consumption. Also, turn the yellow dot on kick off, it skews your recharge. I would not slot kick with anything, the FF feedback proc won't proc often and it a waste of 2mil inf in that slot.

 

S/L and energy damage are pretty common endgame so I looked at shoring those defenses up. Even though fire/cold defense is easy to get via winter IO sets, they are not as common and you'll be ok not having high defense against those types for the majority of content.

 

Builds also tend to suffer offensively when you build very defensively. Damage isn't really the issue here, it's accuracy against higher cons. You can simulate your to-hit against +4s by going to options -> configuration -> Exemping & Base Values and setting the base to hit to 39. Then look at the accuracy field for your bread and butter powers to see if it's 95% or higher, as 95% represents your maximum chance to hit a +4 mob. For this reason every one of my builds tend to slot a kismet +acc and a lot take tactics if they are not using a lot of purple sets. There are other alternatives as well, LOTG gives a good 9% ACC bonus at 4 slots and I've often resorted to that on my defense armor builds that lean heavily into procs.

 

Typical invul builds shoot for some sort of softcap with 1 foe in invincibility and that's usually good enough. Of all the attacks from energy melee, Energy transfer is the best candidate to proc because it doesn't cost end, that gives you a little more kick into an otherwise very defensive build.

 

This is my draft of the build. Softcap to S/L/E/N with 1 foe in invinciblity, enough acc to hit +4s for most ST powers. The AoEs aren't going to be spammed against one target, but with 3-4+ foes in invincibility they will also have 95%+ chance to hit.

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.2.17
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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Level 49 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Energy Melee
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Energy Punch -- SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(3), SprBrtFur-Rech/Fury%(3)
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(5), RctArm-ResDam(5)
Level 2: Bone Smasher -- SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg(A), SprUnrFur-Dmg/Rchg(11), SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), SprUnrFur-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), SprUnrFur-Rchg/+Regen/+End(15)
Level 4: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Ksm-ToHit+(15), Rct-ResDam%(17)
Level 6: Build Up -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 8: Whirling Hands -- Arm-Dmg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Arm-Acc/Rchg(19), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Arm-Dam%(21), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(21)
Level 10: Resist Elements -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(23), RctArm-ResDam(23)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 14: Super Speed -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 16: Unyielding -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(25), RctArm-ResDam(27), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 18: Total Focus -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(29), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(29), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(31), SprBlsCol-Rchg/HoldProc(31)
Level 20: Resist Energies -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(31), RctArm-ResDam(33)
Level 22: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(33), RctArm-ResDam(33)
Level 26: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(34), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), LucoftheG-Def(34)
Level 28: Invincibility -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), RctRtc-Pcptn(36), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(36)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(36), LucoftheG-Def(37), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 32: Energy Transfer -- SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBrtFur-Dmg/Rchg(37), SprBrtFur-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), HO:Nucle(39), Hct-Dam%(39), PrfZng-Dam%(39)
Level 35: Tough Hide -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(40), ShlWal-Def(40), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(40)
Level 38: Temp Invulnerability -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(42), UnbGrd-Max HP%(42), UnbGrd-ResDam(42)
Level 41: Dull Pain -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(43), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(43), Prv-Heal/Rchg(43), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(45), Prv-Absorb%(45)
Level 44: Mu Lightning -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(46), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(46)
Level 47: Ball Lightning -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(47), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(47), Ann-ResDeb%(47)
Level 49: Electrifying Fences -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(49), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(49)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- UnbLea-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(7), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(7)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PwrTrns-EndMod(9), PwrTrns-+Heal(9)
Level 1: Energy Focus
Level 14: Speed Phase
Level 50: Born In Battle
Level 50: High Pain Threshold
Level 50: Invader
Level 50: Marshal
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
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Liberty, Torchbearer, Excelsior, Everlasting

Jezebel Delias

Level 50 Fire/Elec/Mace Blaster

 

I am the Inner Circle!

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Capella

Capella

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Nemu,

 

I came back to this topic for my new brute, Supremor. I never thanked you for the build--I certainly appreciate your work and insight. Thank you!

 

Go LEGION and Sisterhood!

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Snarky

Snarky

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12 hours ago, Capella said:

Nemu,

 

I came back to this topic for my new brute, Supremor. I never thanked you for the build--I certainly appreciate your work and insight. Thank you!

 

Go LEGION and Sisterhood!

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