Fire/???

[schrodingercat]

So I have a fire/bio I got up to 40 that shreds face. I love her. But she is the glassiest cannon imaginable. My only

real defense is kill it before it kills me, which is fine until i run into a big old pile of debuffs and taste dirt. I ran her bumped up and tricked out on test and could only comfortably handle 3/5, but it was slow due to the lack of good aoe. Single target though? Wow!

 

So I want to continue my face shredding journey but I need AOE to handle it. Was thinking rad for proc bomb, or maybe ice for icicles? Stone has brimstone which can crit and does have great layered defense outside of granite plus recovery/recharge too. Shield as well, with shield charge.

 

Does anyone have any ideas or good fire/ combos that they've enjoyed with the new change to fire melee? Do you worry about aoe or just erase bosses with single target smashes?

 

Edited January 31, 2023 by schrodingercat

[aethereal]

I've played a lot of Bio and while I agree it isn't super strong defensively, it feels like you're underselling it here.  You might want to just tune up your existing character's mitigation.  While I don't personally like to proc bomb DNA Siphon, it also can help you with AoE.

 

If you want a solid set for mitigation with some AoE punch, there's always shield.

 

The epics can also shore up your AoE.  Probably the power move is Mu Mastery for ball lighting while retaining access to a snipe, but Fireball from fire mastery is obviously satisfying for a fire character.

[Erratic1]

What are your defensive values at?

[schrodingercat]

1 hour ago, Erratic1 said:

What are your defensive values at?

Definitely not high enough because I need a respec and don't do any IO'ing until 50. I made a mids build cobbled off another bio build. I should post that!

[schrodingercat]

4 hours ago, aethereal said:

I've played a lot of Bio and while I agree it isn't super strong defensively, it feels like you're underselling it here.  You might want to just tune up your existing character's mitigation.  While I don't personally like to proc bomb DNA Siphon, it also can help you with AoE.

 

If you want a solid set for mitigation with some AoE punch, there's always shield.

 

The epics can also shore up your AoE.  Probably the power move is Mu Mastery for ball lighting while retaining access to a snipe, but Fireball from fire mastery is obviously satisfying for a fire character.

Thanks for the idea! I know my ST chain is devastating, so I wasn't considering using a snipe. I may just go fire for theme 🙂 was also considering proc bombed caltrops for the soft aoe terror and breathing room

[Erratic1]

53 minutes ago, schrodingercat said:

Definitely not high enough because I need a respec and don't do any IO'ing until 50. I made a mids build cobbled off another bio build. I should post that!

 

Playing around in Mids myself and while I had S/L Def up to 40% but I decided to back off that a bit because there were other bases to cover in light of the lack of DDR.

 

What follows is not presented as any sort of be all, ultimate build. More of a quickie, get the numbers in a reasonable place thing:

 

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Edited January 31, 2023 by Erratic1

[roleki]

Don't suppose you have the Defense/Survival amplifiers to tide you over until you can IO the IOs?

[aethereal]

Or just get your IOs.  I feel like we often get this mentality of "I'm not satisfied with my character, what should I do, PS: I don't want to slot it with IOs."

 

Like, if you're just farming up to 50, don't slot!  But if you're playing single-player and enjoying the experience except that your character is underpowered, then, like, my dude.  Just start buying your IOs!

[schrodingercat]

9 hours ago, aethereal said:

Or just get your IOs.  I feel like we often get this mentality of "I'm not satisfied with my character, what should I do, PS: I don't want to slot it with IOs."

 

Like, if you're just farming up to 50, don't slot!  But if you're playing single-player and enjoying the experience except that your character is underpowered, then, like, my dude.  Just start buying your IOs!

 

I have never made a farmer and usually fund my habits by running task forces - which are a great way to see if i like a character. So I usually run around in level 35 invention origins with the various uniques slotted (performance shifter, miracle, the 3% defs). I did run it on test with fairly basic slotting and it did fairly well. its just hard to clear a big spawn one mob at a time and survive sometimes!

[schrodingercat]

11 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

 

Playing around in Mids myself and while I had S/L Def up to 40% but I decided to back off that a bit because there were other bases to cover in light of the lack of DDR.

 

What follows is not presented as any sort of be all, ultimate build. More of a quickie, get the numbers in a reasonable place thing:

 

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thanks! I had come up with this and it was nice to have something to compare to.

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[Erratic1]

1 hour ago, schrodingercat said:

 

thanks! I had come up with this and it was nice to have something to compare to.

 

 

Two suggestions:

• Try your build on the test server where you can put together the finished product for a minimal time investment.
• On my Bio brute at least, Parasitic Aura is a very handy survival tool. It is one of the few armor T9 really worth having.

[schrodingercat]

i actually did go ahead and build it on test and swapped parasitic for evasive maneuvers. evasive is great for debuff diving or someone who can do aoe control as their alpha strike since the defense lasts right up until you do something - hopefully long enough for all the nasty first attacks to fire off and miss. but fire has none of that fun stuff! just smashy burning. i love parasitic too, not the least because it lets me contribute to av fights a little more than just big dps by debuffing regen a little. 

 

I was able to do arachnos at 3/6 before it just got too slow. Even if i nearly one shot each mob, thats a lot of mobs to one shot in order to clear a spawn. Is it satisfying still? Yes! But I worry I'll be killing one mob at a time while the rest of the team evaporates the entire spawn.

[aethereal]

Parasitic Aura doesn't debuff Regen; I think you're confusing it with DNA Siphon, which does.