Perma Lightform without Hasten?

[Captain Fabulous]

Is it possible? And if so, how much +recharge do you need? Yeah, I could do the math but I'm lazy and I figure someone knows the answer off the top of their head LOL.

[Luminara]

18 hours ago, Captain Fabulous said:

Is it possible?

 

Yes.

 

18 hours ago, Captain Fabulous said:

how much +recharge do you need?

 

With 91.78% Recharge Reduction slotted in Light Form and 151.25% global +Recharge, the recharge time is 87.46s.

 

Spiritual Core Paragon drops it to 79.4s.

[Captain Fabulous]

@Luminara
I'm thinking 151.25% is tough to get to without Hasten. 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Captain Fabulous

[Hedgefund]

Perma anything is cooldown/duration - 1 (ignoring activation atm for simplicity).

 

300 / 90 -1 is the recharge ultimately needed, that's 233.33%.

 

Let's say you slot to ED cap of recharge within LF of 95%, now you're at 138.3% remaining. 

 

Now let's assume you slot the max of 5 ultimate recharge bonuses for 50%, now at 88.3% lef.  (I'd go 3 purples and split Superior Essence Transfer into 2 sets of 3)

 

It shouldn't be too difficult to sneak in 2 gargantuan bonuses of 8.75% for 17.5, now at 70.5% (NOT making Kheldians Grace superior may be the call here).

 

Let's assume 5 LotG for 37.5% now you're at, 33 remaining.

 

I'm going to stop at this point, there are various bonuses of 7.5 and 6.25 remaining.  If you use Panaceas in 2 of your heals, then 3 of the 6.25% bonuses and "Bob's your uncle" (not counting activation).

 

Note, this is just AN example of a roadmap to no Hasten/perma LF, there are other combinations, of course, something else may be more effective.  I also didn't check on how many slots this takes.

 

Personally, I'm currently playing a PB with playstyle of "stay in non-human forms except to buff and nuke" and having LF and Hasten on 2 very different cycles becomes quite annoying, especially if the action gets hot and heavy.  So I certainly get the appeal of a no-Hasten perma LF build.  

[Captain Fabulous]

16 minutes ago, Hedgefund said:

Perma anything is cooldown/duration - 1 (ignoring activation atm for simplicity).

 

300 / 90 -1 is the recharge ultimately needed, that's 233.33%.

 

Let's say you slot to ED cap of recharge within LF of 95%, now you're at 138.3% remaining. 

 

Now let's assume you slot the max of 5 ultimate recharge bonuses for 50%, now at 88.3% lef.  (I'd go 3 purples and split Superior Essence Transfer into 2 sets of 3)

 

It shouldn't be too difficult to sneak in 2 gargantuan bonuses of 8.75% for 17.5, now at 70.5% (NOT making Kheldians Grace superior may be the call here).

 

Let's assume 5 LotG for 37.5% now you're at, 33 remaining.

 

I'm going to stop at this point, there are various bonuses of 7.5 and 6.25 remaining.  If you use Panaceas in 2 of your heals, then 3 of the 6.25% bonuses and "Bob's your uncle" (not counting activation).

 

Note, this is just AN example of a roadmap to no Hasten/perma LF, there are other combinations, of course, something else may be more effective.  I also didn't check on how many slots this takes.

 

Personally, I'm currently playing a PB with playstyle of "stay in non-human forms except to buff and nuke" and having LF and Hasten on 2 very different cycles becomes quite annoying, especially if the action gets hot and heavy.  So I certainly get the appeal of a no-Hasten perma LF build.  

Yeah, this PB is human only, so perma LF is mandatory, and constantly having to watch Hasten is a pain, hence wanting to go without it. But I also want to be able to fit in a significant amount of defense from set bonuses, so it may not be possible. This is one of those times when I really hate working on builds. Can I? Sure. Will I enjoy it? Nope.

[Luminara]

56 minutes ago, Captain Fabulous said:

@Luminara
I'm thinking 151.25% is tough to get to without Hasten. 

 

1-49, use the 20% Empowerment Station buff, Offensive Amplifier and Cross Punch with the Boxing and Kick synergies (one target = 10%).  That's 45% on a silver platter.  If you can't pull 105% out of set bonuses, ask for help.

 

50+, purples and Superior ATO bonuses replace the buffs.

 

Also note that I didn't slot Light Form to the ED cap for Recharge Reduction.  A few more % there is a few less % global.

 

None of that is factoring for the Force Feedback proc.  Or Ageless.  I never use those.  The only variable +Recharge buff on my build is Cross Punch (which, as noted, is only factored for one target in my total).

 

151.25% isn't even the maximum possible on my peacebringer.  I spent several powers and 6 slots on Psi and Slow Resistances.  If I wanted to go for max +Recharge, I could drop those and push it up to 160% with minimal effort, and as high as 200% if I used the buffs.

~150% is easy.  I have several characters that have that much with just set bonuses and primary/secondary powers.  Hard was 162.5% on my Ill/Savage (i never take Hasten on dominators.  i'm playing to play, not to time powers and juggle clicks).

[BrandX]

17 minutes ago, Captain Fabulous said:

Yeah, this PB is human only, so perma LF is mandatory, and constantly having to watch Hasten is a pain, hence wanting to go without it. But I also want to be able to fit in a significant amount of defense from set bonuses, so it may not be possible. This is one of those times when I really hate working on builds. Can I? Sure. Will I enjoy it? Nope.

 

You have 2 self heals and 85% Resist caps.   I wouldn't worry about defense.  You don't even need the Shields (I use them only as 1 slot wonders)

[Captain Fabulous]

31 minutes ago, Luminara said:

Hard was 162.5% on my Ill/Savage (i never take Hasten on dominators.  i'm playing to play, not to time powers and juggle clicks).

Yeah, that's my other level 50 (Fire/Psi Dom) that's been sitting around collecting dust because it's another build that's gonna be a pain in the ass. Cause I'm with you, juggling Hasten and Perma Dom isn't fun.

I know allowing multiple powers to be auto'd opens up a can of worms, but there are some times when I really wish we could.

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23 hours ago, Captain Fabulous said:

Yeah, that's my other level 50 (Fire/Psi Dom) that's been sitting around collecting dust because it's another build that's gonna be a pain in the ass. Cause I'm with you, juggling Hasten and Perma Dom isn't fun.

I know allowing multiple powers to be auto'd opens up a can of worms, but there are some times when I really wish we could.

 

This is pretty easy to do with the bindloadfilesilent command. 

 

https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/4515-psa-how-to-have-both-hasten-and-dominationpracticed-brawleretc-on-auto/

 

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[Captain Fabulous]

22 hours ago, ... said:

 

This is pretty easy to do with the bindloadfilesilent command. 

 

https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/4515-psa-how-to-have-both-hasten-and-dominationpracticed-brawleretc-on-auto/

 

Yeah there are various workarounds that function to one degree or another, but none are ideal, mostly because they require constant user input. So once you're AFK for a brief period of time (pee break, getting food/drink, partner/pet aggro, or just waiting for a team to form) you're going to lose your buffs. Which isn't terrible for PBs, but really sucks for a Dom.

I could probably write an AutoHotKey script that would get the job done, but again, not an ideal nor elegant solution.

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1 hour ago, Captain Fabulous said:

Yeah there are various workarounds that function to one degree or another, but none are ideal, mostly because they require constant user input. So once you're AFK for a brief period of time (pee break, getting food/drink, partner/pet aggro, or just waiting for a team to form) you're going to lose your buffs. Which isn't terrible for PBs, but really sucks for a Dom.

I could probably write an AutoHotKey script that would get the job done, but again, not an ideal nor elegant solution.

 

True. There's no free lunch.

 

But cycling 4 keybinds actually works well for time periods when you are actively playing. 

 

Like really well. 

 

I say this as someone who has more Doms than all the other ATs combined.