Help me decide Bots/?

[Octogoat]

22 hours ago, Maelwys said:

@Auroxis's post above dated 1st Jan is decent; so if you want a Bots/Marine to base a build around then use that one.

Bots/Marine will be considerably safer (since you can softcap all your henchmen without much trouble) but less damaging than Mercs/Marine or Demons/Marine.
 

I will say bots/ with sandolphen numpad binds just flows.

[tidge]

On 2/20/2025 at 8:59 AM, Tubalcain said:

Where's the love for /Cold around here?

 

Infrigidate is a Proc bomb.

 

Technically true, but also IMO a waste of slots for a Mastermind. /Cold MMs should take the Ice Shield, and primarily only consider Infrigidate for debuffing hard targets. %Damage away on a different AT that needs the single-target DPS boost, MMs will have their henchmen.

 

3 hours ago, evetsleep said:

 

Every time I take one of my marine MM's off the shelf for a drive I'm reminded how well this set jives with masterminds (of any kind).  I don't think there is actually a bad pairing between the MM primaries and marine.  I honestly think (and I say this quietly) that marine is a little over tuned and will probably get tweaked later on.  But I do hope not as it's an insanely fun set to play with masterminds and really performs so well overall.

 

I agree that Marine *is* an 'overperforming' set, but after thinking about it... it really only becomes this way (offensively) on teams, so solo ATs with lots of henchmen, pets, pseudopets are where it sees the largest performance jump. I'm not sure TPTB actually see this as an issue... it seems like this is exactly how it was intended to perform (sort of like Plant Control is OP compared to most other control sets).

[Hedgefund]

On 2/20/2025 at 8:59 AM, Tubalcain said:

Where's the love for /Cold around here?

 

Infrigidate is a Proc bomb.

 

Ice Shield and Glacial Shield have Resistance on them so they wont be affected by Power Up like what Force Field and time which is my biggest gripe with the set. But they'll get your Robots to soft cap with the right enhancements.

 

Snow Storm, don't sleep on slows.

 

Benumb is a MASSIVE debuff you keep in your pocket for AVs.

 

Sleet? My favorite power in the game. It's a -Res and a -Defense debuff so you can stack that -Res with Annihilation and Achille's Heel -Res procs doing between 20% to 60% -Res to enemies is huge. They just melt.

 

There's also Heat Loss, which will take care of all your Endurance needs while also being another -24% damage resistance debuff.

 

The problem with the set is that it doesn't give your mastermind themselves much protection. Keep your pets in defensive stance so they'll share your damage or you'll fall pretty fast.

 

I've got the love for it.  Out of all my MMs, Bots/Cold is definitely near the top, and I've been hands-on with all the secondaries including marine twice to T4s.  You're spot on about Infrigidate, if I didn't use it my ST damage, (as a unit, pets + me), would be drastically nerfed, I've got the data to prove it.