Thanks For The Gift, Can I Give It Back?

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

That's rich coming from a guy that's quick to argue in other people's threads about not liking their suggestions because it doesn't suit his interests

 

In other words:  no, I'll voice my disagreement here by suggesting we need more of the thing you're saying you don't want. I'm on topic, just in disagreement with the original request.

 

On 2/20/2024 at 9:51 PM, Rudra said:

So all this post is, is just my (negative) feedback about yet more ways to get patrol xp on my characters.

As you can see, there is no request in the OP. It was strictly my personal feedback. If you want to post a request like being able to buy super inspirations that grant a full level's worth of patrol xp, then it should be in a suggestion thread. You disagree with my feedback? What a surprise. I'm not making a request in this thread though.

 

Edit: If you had posted something like "I disagree with the OP. I think the change to explores was a great idea. I love it. Thank you, devs.", then that would have fit on this feedback thread. Posting "I want more more ways to get patrol xp like a super inspiration that grants it" is a suggestion. And as this is a feedback thread, you should take that to your suggestion thread. (Of course, you would still be responding to a thread that had been dead for 15 months for an update that was done that long ago. But hey, you want to give your feedback on the change? Go for it. Just don't use my feedback thread as your suggestion thread.)

 

Edited Friday at 03:48 AM by Rudra

[TheMoneyMaker]

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

 

As you can see, there is no request in the OP. It was strictly my personal feedback. If you want to post a request like being able to buy super inspirations that grant a full level's worth of patrol xp, then it should be in a suggestion thread. You disagree with my feedback? What a surprise. I'm not making a request in this thread though.

 

Edit: If you had posted something like "I disagree with the OP. I think the change to explores was a great idea. I love it. Thank you, devs.", then that would have fit on this feedback thread. Posting "I want more more ways to get patrol xp like a super inspiration that grants it" is a suggestion. And as this is a feedback thread, you should take that to your suggestion thread. (Of course, you would still be responding to a thread that had been dead for 15 months for an update that was done that long ago. But hey, you want to give your feedback on the change? Go for it. Just don't use my feedback thread as your suggestion thread.)

 

Sorry not sorry, but you don't get to dictate how others respond to or disagree with you

[Rudra]

12 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

Sorry not sorry, but you don't get to dictate how others respond to or disagree with you

I'll be sure to remember that next time you're screaming about people derailing threads.

[TheMoneyMaker]

25 minutes ago, Rudra said:

I'll be sure to remember that next time you're screaming about people derailing threads.

"next time"

 

Good luck with that 

[espectro]

I like xp and I like gifts. And it's pretty rude to say no I don't want that when someone gives you something. 

 

 

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, espectro said:

I like xp and I like gifts. And it's pretty rude to say no I don't want that when someone gives you something. 

 

 

A gift must be freely accepted to be a gift. If you were to offer someone a fully functional prosthetic as a gift, but they still have all their limbs and they are fully functional, then how is it rude to refuse the "gift"? Now you're getting into philosophy.

 

Edit: A good example? I think in China, temples were being gifted horses as a ritual thing for the gods. (They weren't ritual sacrifices, they were ritual message carriers or some such.) And now the poor priests have to take care of a growing number of horses, but lack the resources and space to do so. Now the "gift" is a burden. Now offering the gift is the rude thing to do.

 

Edit again: Back on patrol xp for example. I don't need or want help leveling. I don't need or want patrol xp. So "gifts" or crap I don't want are rude to get. Except I don't have the ability to refuse in this game. Again though. I'm not asking for it to be reverted. For starters I already know full well it won't be. However, I can give my feedback on the change. And this thread does so.

 

Edit yet again: The saying it is rude to refuse a gift is as much a bullshit statement as the saying the customer is always right. Anyone that works with customers knows how garbage that claim is. It only accepts one side in any situation.

 

Edited Friday at 11:20 PM by Rudra

[espectro]

it's not philosophy. It's basic politeness. I knew a kid who gave his mom a robot arm made out of cardboard. She had two arms and the cardboard didn't work anyway but she took it. 

It would have been rude and hurtful to not take that robot arm. As for China Buddha says the generosity is important for enlightenment. So the devs give you these xps which is good. So you should say thank you devs for these wonderful xps and not have a resentful heart and tie this thread to the round of rebirth.

[Rudra]

32 minutes ago, espectro said:

it's not philosophy. It's basic politeness. I knew a kid who gave his mom a robot arm made out of cardboard. She had two arms and the cardboard didn't work anyway but she took it. 

It would have been rude and hurtful to not take that robot arm. As for China Buddha says the generosity is important for enlightenment. So the devs give you these xps which is good. So you should say thank you devs for these wonderful xps and not have a resentful heart and tie this thread to the round of rebirth.

Yeah, no. I can not want something and be upset that I have to have, no matter what banal idiom you choose to cite.

[espectro]

5 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Yeah, no. I can not want something and be upset that I have to have, no matter what banal idiom you choose to cite.

we are not punished for our anger. we are punished by our anger. let the saltiness over these free xpeeez go my brotha!

[Rudra]

23 minutes ago, espectro said:

we are not punished for our anger. we are punished by our anger. let the saltiness over these free xpeeez go my brotha!

Just stop. Give your feedback. Say how much you like the change, tell me how much you disagree with my opinion and feedback, and stop trying to convince me to change my views on something you know full well I hate given the plethora of evidence that is scattered across these forums.

 

This is a necro'ed thread. Nothing said in this thread is going to change the game. And nothing added to this thread is going to change my mind. Just let the corpse go back in its grave and slumber peacefully instead of trying to argue something that's been dead for over 15 months.

[espectro]

Ok sorry. I like xp. This is a great change that brings hope to many. every time like you wake up an wow it's anew day. 

I hope the necromancer comes back and gives you your Joie de vivre back. also someone suggested maybe a 

fatty insp version of this xp. Would be cool I think.

[Rudra]

1 minute ago, espectro said:

fatty insp version of this xp. Would be cool I think.

This is a necro'ed feedback thread. If you want to pitch suggestions, go make your own thread.

[espectro]

What why? about the same thing? why?

 

you just said to give my feedback

Edited yesterday at 01:02 AM by espectro

[Rudra]

6 minutes ago, espectro said:

What why?

Because suggestions are not part of this feedback thread.

 

6 minutes ago, espectro said:

about the same thing?

It's not the same thing. This feedback thread was a statement of personal opinion about a change that had already been applied by the devs, not a request for something to be added or changed. And asking for more ways to get patrol xp is a suggestion/request for something the game does not already have, the super inspirations that grant patrol xp, as opposed to this thread which was all about feedback about something already in the game.

 

6 minutes ago, espectro said:

why?

Because making a suggestion for something new in a feedback thread about something that already exists/was implemented is a derailment of the thread. Especially when done on a thread that has been dead for 15 months before a spambot necro'ed the thread trying to just run off the thread title rather than what the OP said. So if you want to give feedback on the change of explores from xp to patrol xp at an inflated rate as compared to the original regular xp or if you want to give feedback on the OP itself and its negative view of said change, then that post belongs on this feedback thread. Asking for something new does not however.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:07 AM by Rudra
Edited correct "whish" to "which".

[arcane]

Rudra becomes Shadow Rudra when threatened with accelerated XP gain. Do not piss him off.

Edited 23 hours ago by arcane

[TheMoneyMaker]

16 hours ago, Rudra said:

A gift must be freely accepted to be a gift. If you were to offer someone a fully functional prosthetic as a gift, but they still have all their limbs and they are fully functional, then how is it rude to refuse the "gift"? Now you're getting into philosophy.

 

Where did you get your definition of gift?

 

Gift (noun):  something given to someone without expectation of a return

Gift (verb): to furnish freely or naturally with some power, quality, or attribute

 

GIFT Synonyms: 135 Similar and Opposite Words | Merriam-Webster Thesaurus

 

There's no condition of the receiver must freely accept something for it to be considered a gift.  You can choose to call a gift a curse or a bane or just useless, but that doesn't negate it being gifted to you. 

[espectro]

i went to Target and got a present. they gave me  a gift receipt in case the person didn't like it.

CHECKMATE Rude-ra!

[Rudra]

4 hours ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

Where did you get your definition of gift?

 

Gift (noun):  something given to someone without expectation of a return

Gift (verb): to furnish freely or naturally with some power, quality, or attribute

 

GIFT Synonyms: 135 Similar and Opposite Words | Merriam-Webster Thesaurus

 

There's no condition of the receiver must freely accept something for it to be considered a gift.  You can choose to call a gift a curse or a bane or just useless, but that doesn't negate it being gifted to you. 

There is an inherent assumption when gift giving that the person wants it. If that person has to accept it, then it isn't a gift, it is a demand/imposition. Like my boss can "gift" me more work hours despite not being paid by the hour. That isn't a gift. That is an imposition/requirement. When looking at the definition of a gift, it is exactly what the definition says. Something given to another freely. Because it is assumed the gift will be accepted. It only looks at one side.

 

Edit yet again: Here's a better example. Someone decides to gift me with a puppy. There is no way someone can be upset about that, right? I'm not being told I have to give anything in exchange, and the puppy is being gifted with the sole purpose of making me happy. However, if I can't refuse the puppy, then now I have to pay the $250 pet deposit with my landlord, find additional funds to feed the puppy every day instead of just myself, procure bedding and bowls for the puppy, invest time cleaning up after the puppy every day, house train the puppy, cordon off part of my small apartment to keep the puppy from ruining anything, and overall change my schedule to look after the puppy. But hey, despite my lack of funds to even feed myself on occasion, and all the requirements of raising a puppy, I should gratefully accept the puppy because it is a gift, right? Wrong. And if I can't refuse said puppy for not having the means to look after him/her, then I haven't been given a gift regardless of the gifter's intent, now I have a burden that I have to find a suitable home for. (And all that is ignoring that I have apparently developed an allergy to dog fur.) (Funny part about this example? It happened. And I refused the puppy. And my friends, after asking me why, accepted my refusal. Fortunately, they had not yet bought the puppy because they had wanted me to pick out the one I wanted. And amazing thing about that refusal given this discussion? No one thought it was rude.)

 

3 hours ago, espectro said:

i went to Target and got a present. they gave me  a gift receipt in case the person didn't like it.

CHECKMATE Rude-ra!

And why did they give you a gift receipt? So if the person doesn't want it, they can take that gift receipt, refuse the gift, and exchange it for something they do want. (Edit: You even say as much in your post with "in case the person didn't like it". So you blew your own argument apart.)

 

(Edit again: And now we are on a different derailment, arguing what constitutes a gift.)

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Rudra

[battlewraith]

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

There is an inherent assumption when gift giving that the person wants it. If that person has to accept it, then it isn't a gift, it is a demand/imposition. Like my boss can "gift" me more work hours despite not being paid by the hour. That isn't a gift. That is an imposition/requirement. When looking at the definition of a gift, it is exactly what the definition says. Something given to another freely. Because it is assumed the gift will be accepted. It only looks at one side.

 

Calling something a gift is a linguistic convention. It's not a reference to ontological status or whether the recipient is happy about the gift. The definition is one sided because there's no other side that matters. It's simply the way people communicate.

 

Your boss doesn't gift you more hours. The IRS doesn't gift you more taxes. That's not the convention of how the word is used in English. 

[lemming]

Cmon guys, this was a necro'd thread (and the necro cause self deleted?) and now you're going down a necro rabbit hole about linguistics.

 

Maybe we can get an option to just zero out Patrol XP at START vendors or something.   Rudra would have to visit one everytime he logged in, but it would probably be easier to do than anything else for now.

[Aracknight]

On 2/21/2024 at 8:00 AM, sbloyd said:

In this case, suicide IS the answer!  Debt erases patrol xp, no?

 

'Member when this thread was nice and civilized and offered suicide as a solution?  

 

Pepperidge Farm does.

[Wobegone]

I've seen some inane arguments on these forums, but this one is especially noteworthy (meaning the arguments post necro).  I mean.... "ontological status" ??  In reference to a gift?  Which in turn was in my mind more of a play on words from the OP than the kind of gift giving argued post necro. 

 

I've had my own problems with Rudra's sometimes pedantic feedback, even sending him an admittedly nasty PM (I'm sorry about that Rudra, I was having a bad day).  And I don't understand why he wants no patrol xp, but I don't have to. 

 

In cases where suggestions are QoL like the OP (meaning optional) my own preferences are irrelevant.  And imploring, berating, and whatever this is: aside from name calling, say more about you than the OP.

9 hours ago, espectro said:

i went to Target and got a present. they gave me  a gift receipt in case the person didn't like it.

CHECKMATE Rude-ra!

 

[Rudra]

25 minutes ago, Wobegone said:

Which in turn was in my mind more of a play on words from the OP

That was my intent. Thanks.

 

26 minutes ago, Wobegone said:

even sending him an admittedly nasty PM (I'm sorry about that Rudra, I was having a bad day). 

I don't remember it? Sorry? Anyway, water under the bridge. We're good.

[Rudra]

51 minutes ago, lemming said:

Cmon guys, this was a necro'd thread (and the necro cause self deleted?) and now you're going down a necro rabbit hole about linguistics.

 

Maybe we can get an option to just zero out Patrol XP at START vendors or something.   Rudra would have to visit one everytime he logged in, but it would probably be easier to do than anything else for now.

I appreciate the idea, but this is still a feedback thread. Not meant for suggestions. I hope you understand that with my having said that already for the 'give me more means of getting patrol xp' suggestion(s) earlier, I can't not say the same thing to you even though your suggestion would benefit me. So thank you for the idea, but not the thread for it.

[battlewraith]

52 minutes ago, Wobegone said:

I mean.... "ontological status" ??

That did it for you huh? Not a hypothetical where someone receives a prosthetic limb they don't need. Or talk about ancient Chinese monks getting too many horses?

Lol okay?