Confusion on Overwhelming Force unique enhancement

[BuiltDifferent5]

Does it CREATE a chance for knockdown with a power, or does it only convert KB > KD?

 

Edit: Nevermind, looks like it ADDS a chance to KD. Woot woot.

Edited March 26 by BuiltDifferent5

[ZorkNemesis]

It does both.  It converts knockback to knockdown AND adds a chance for knockdown.  However, my understanding is that the chance for KD can trigger alongside a power's normal knockdown/knockback, resulting in a stacking knockdown that causes a knockback anyway.  Because of that I personally don't use it as a KB>KD and usually stick it in a power that doesn't have any knock to begin with and one that benefits from damage buffs.  Typically I put it in an AoE damage power like Irradiate, Sweeping Strike, Fire Ball, etc. where it also benefits from the damage enhancement component as well.

[Uun]

4 hours ago, ZorkNemesis said:

However, my understanding is that the chance for KD can trigger alongside a power's normal knockdown/knockback, resulting in a stacking knockdown that causes a knockback anyway. 

I use it for kb>kd and have never seen this happen.

[Maelwys]

Yeah, that was fixed in Issue 27 page 2.

 
"Enhancements > Overwhelming Force > Knockback to Knockdown: Fixed this proc not always converting to knockdown when stacked with other knockback effects"

It's also worth noting that unless anything's changed recently (I know it says "2.5PPM" currently in CoDv2 but I can't see anything obvious in the patch notes...) Overwhelming Force is one of the very few enhancements that has a "chance for" something which does NOT operate based on PPM - it gives a 20% chance to inflict additional KD upon power activation regardless of the recharge enhancement slotting in the power.
 

Edited March 31 by Maelwys

[Yomo Kimyata]

On 3/31/2024 at 7:22 PM, Maelwys said:

It's also worth noting that unless anything's changed recently (I know it says "2.5PPM" currently in CoDv2 but I can't see anything obvious in the patch notes...) Overwhelming Force is one of the very few enhancements that has a "chance for" something which does NOT operate based on PPM - it gives a 20% chance to inflict additional KD upon power activation regardless of the recharge enhancement slotting in the power.

 

I've been told that the PPM in CoD (all hail UberGuy) is correct, not the straight 20% chance.

 

I missed that in the patch notes.  The "convert knockback to knockdown" process is or at least was that it takes the current knockback (which is a number greater than 1), divides it by 10 which results in a number less than 1 (which is knockdown).  What would happen is that sometimes the proc would activate and the additive value of KB would be over 1 and so most of the time it's knockdown but occasionally you get two triggers and a knockback.  I should test this again.

[Maelwys]

16 minutes ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

The "convert knockback to knockdown" process is or at least was that it takes the current knockback (which is a number greater than 1), divides it by 10 which results in a number less than 1 (which is knockdown).  What would happen is that sometimes the proc would activate and the additive value of KB would be over 1 and so most of the time it's knockdown but occasionally you get two triggers and a knockback.  I should test this again.

There's a line in the Proc effects itself (linked above) that reads:
"-1000% Knockup, Knockback Strength (self only) for 10.25s"

That should reduce any stacking KB to KD again.