Superman: Legacy First Look

[El D]

1 hour ago, Excraft said:

 

So I've read.  Well, not every comic depiction is a winner.  I wouldn't have gone with that, but congrats to those who will enjoy it.  I really liked Milly Alcock on House of the Dragon, I wish Supergirl was getting something better.  

 

Fair point, the new take is a bit jarring. Especially in contrast to the other prominent media depictions of Supergirl - by which I mean the recent CBS show and somewhat less recent JL/JLU cartoon versions. The version from the Flash doesn't really count, I think. She isn't bad but given that she effectively just 'find and replaced' Superman's role in that storyline and it was the first introduction to her, the movie didn't do much at all with it being Kara there versus just having an alternate Clark.

 

As a first step with the character I get why it could be off-putting (especially in-light of the prior decade+ of DC films...) but I trust Gunn will have the new Supergirl grow and adapt aspects of her other iterations. Her being a chaotic partygirl makes messy counterpoint to Superman's genuine wholesomeness, and provides a dynamic start for her to grow from. If she's only recently been released from whatever stasis they opt to go with, it makes sense that someone with actual memories of a life on Krypton would cope by leaving Earth (a planet she possibly doesn't even consider home yet) to go out and find escapism among the stars. Confronting that with Lobo, an embodiment of excessive force, bad/selfish choices, and partying gone wrong and her having to deal with Krem's depredations the whole time and all the evil nonsense he does seems rife with opportunities for her to rise to the occasion and become more heroic.

Also, as a matter of practicality, a lot of Supergirl's comic arcs (at least the modern ones) tend to involve a ton of characters the new DCU hasn't put in yet. The Red Lanterns, Nightwing and Batgirl, Wonder Woman and the Amazons... Heck, even her becoming one of the Furies requires Apokolips, Darkseid, and all that. That's not even getting into the headache of meeting a Pre-Crisis version of herself. Seems like slim pickings of storylines she can engage in solo without cutting out a lot of important context (or involving context that's just outright impossible for a new film universe). I suppose a more traditional Supergirl approach could have been her finding Kandor out in space, run with the whole 'searching for home and finding it, but not how she wanted' plot with her taking on Brainiac. Though, that could still be a really good ending set up for this initial adventure with Supergirl. She's gotten over her hang ups and embraced being a hero, even found remnants of Krypton, but now she has to defend it from an evil AI overlord the same way Superman saves Earth from Lex. On top of the ticking clock that would be 'Brainiac now knows about Earth and Clark and is going that way fast.'

Edited Tuesday at 08:25 PM by El D

[TTRPGWhiz]

FWIW: the book the movie is based on (Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow) earned Eisner Award* nominations for Best Limited Series, Best Writer and Best Painter/Multimedia Artist. If there’s a more prominent and prestigious Supergirl comic arc out there, I don’t know it. Maybe some other comics readers have suggestions?

 

*the Eisners are comics’ Academy Awards

[Excraft]

2 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

FWIW: the book the movie is based on (Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow) earned Eisner Award* nominations for Best Limited Series, Best Writer and Best Painter/Multimedia Artist. If there’s a more prominent and prestigious Supergirl comic arc out there, I don’t know it. Maybe some other comics readers have suggestions?

 

*the Eisners are comics’ Academy Awards

 

All of which is meaningless for me.  Winning an award doesn't automatically mean I can and should like the story.  I think its great this writer got recognized for their work and I'm happy there's people out there who enjoyed it.  It's not the depiction of Supergirl I'd prefer.  

 

17 hours ago, El D said:

Fair point, the new take is a bit jarring. Especially in contrast to the other prominent media depictions of Supergirl - by which I mean the recent CBS show and somewhat less recent JL/JLU cartoon versions.

 

The JL/JLU animated series along with the Superman and Batman animated series.  There were some great storylines in those that I think would adapt very well to the big screen.

[TTRPGWhiz]

53 minutes ago, Excraft said:

 

All of which is meaningless for me.  Winning an award doesn't automatically mean I can and should like the story.  I think its great this writer got recognized for their work and I'm happy there's people out there who enjoyed it.  It's not the depiction of Supergirl I'd prefer.  

 

Did you read this mini-series?

Anyway, this wasn't in direct response to you specifically or whether or not you specifically like that particular story (or just your idea of it, if you haven't read it). This is meant to provide some additional context that was missing from the conversation. If I were to respond directly to your comment, I might agree that yes, not every comics depiction is a winner; some just get nominated for the biggest awards.

You specifically may not care that a Supergirl movie is based on the only comic that character headlined that garnered that level of critical praise. Others might.

Edited Wednesday at 02:19 PM by TTRPGWhiz

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Little preview image from Mr. Gunn…

[Excraft]

5 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

You specifically may not care that a Supergirl movie is based on the only comic that character headlined that garnered that level of critical praise. Others might.

 

Since you seem to have missed this in my post - 

 

5 hours ago, Excraft said:

I think its great this writer got recognized for their work and I'm happy there's people out there who enjoyed it. 

 

[TTRPGWhiz]

1 hour ago, Excraft said:

 

Since you seem to have missed this in my post - 

 

 

 

Looks like we're saying the same thing except one of us isn't inserting their personal (and likely uninformed; did you read the mini or nah?) opinions.

"Well, not every comic depiction is a winner" and "I wish Supergirl was getting something better" aren't really the same thing as "this isn't for me but I'm glad other people might like it".

Again: the initial comment wasn't about you. Sorry it was so upsetting.

Edited Wednesday at 08:19 PM by TTRPGWhiz

[Excraft]

19 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

Looks like we're saying the same thing except one of us isn't inserting their personal (and likely uninformed; did you read the mini or nah?) opinions.

 

Actually, it's you who is very uninformed.  I've read the Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow comic.  I didn't care for it.  You seem to have serious issues with people disliking something. 

 

21 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

"Well, not every comic depiction is a winner" and "I wish Supergirl was getting something better" aren't really the same thing as "this isn't for me but I'm glad other people might like it".

 

What are you on about?  I said exactly both.  Please learn to read.  I can use an even larger font to quote what I posted again for you if you need it.

[TTRPGWhiz]

23 minutes ago, Excraft said:

 

Actually, it's you who is very uninformed.  I've read the Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow comic.  I didn't care for it.  You seem to have serious issues with people disliking something. 

 

 

What are you on about?  I said exactly both.  Please learn to read.  I can use an even larger font to quote what I posted again for you if you need it.

I have some issues with people confusing "I didn't like this" with "this is bad / not good".
And yes, I understand that you said "both" (there are three statements there). That's the point.

FWIW: all I did was point out that the comic the upcoming movie is based on was well received and nominated for awards, since the only other info about it in this thread was "True Grit in space with a dog". 

Edited Wednesday at 08:51 PM by TTRPGWhiz

[Excraft]

57 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

I have some issues with people confusing "I didn't like this" with "this is bad / not good".

 

You just have issues with people not liking things.  Nobody is confused.  Nobody needs you to explain this to them.  Nobody needs you to explain what an opinion is or what the term "subjective to the person" means.  Just because I didn't care for a particular comic in no way means others won't enjoy it.  I didn't care for Supergirl:  Woman of Tomorrow.  I do encourage everyone to read it and make their own judgment about the story.  

 

1 hour ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

And yes, I understand that you said "both" (there are three statements there). That's the point.

 

Your point doesn't make sense though.  People can dislike something and that doesn't make it bad for everyone.  If I can be honest, it seems to me like you post here just to start arguments.  I have to agree with what @ZacKing said earlier - you have the opportunity here to discuss the film and have yet to do so.  

[TTRPGWhiz]

1 hour ago, Excraft said:

 

You just have issues with people not liking things.  Nobody is confused.  Nobody needs you to explain this to them.  Nobody needs you to explain what an opinion is or what the term "subjective to the person" means.  Just because I didn't care for a particular comic in no way means others won't enjoy it.  I didn't care for Supergirl:  Woman of Tomorrow.  I do encourage everyone to read it and make their own judgment about the story.  

 

 

Your point doesn't make sense though.  People can dislike something and that doesn't make it bad for everyone.  If I can be honest, it seems to me like you post here just to start arguments.  I have to agree with what @ZacKing said earlier - you have the opportunity here to discuss the film and have yet to do so.  

OK.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Side note: learn a new nerdy thing every day.

 

I knew the mighty Richard Donner directed the OG Superman, but I was not aware (until reading Scalzi's take) that the writers' room was a Murderer's Row with a slew of Oscars: David & Leslie Newman (Bonnie & Clyde, What's Up Doc?), Rob Benton (Kramer vs Kramer) and only Mario bloody Puzo in the lead, plus guest scribbling from Bond's surgeon Tom Manciewicz.

 

Give good actors good scripts, you get good movies. Whodathunkit.

Edited yesterday at 07:13 AM by ThaOGDreamWeaver

[battlewraith]

I heard that Nicholas Hoult also auditioned for Superman. Now I am truly saddened at the loss of what could have been.

 

Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor AND Superman. Maybe even Hoult as Lex, Superman, and Lois. 

It could've been this generation's Dr. Strangelove. 

[BrandX]

On 7/16/2025 at 7:26 AM, TTRPGWhiz said:

 

Did you read this mini-series?

Anyway, this wasn't in direct response to you specifically or whether or not you specifically like that particular story (or just your idea of it, if you haven't read it). This is meant to provide some additional context that was missing from the conversation. If I were to respond directly to your comment, I might agree that yes, not every comics depiction is a winner; some just get nominated for the biggest awards.

You specifically may not care that a Supergirl movie is based on the only comic that character headlined that garnered that level of critical praise. Others might.

 

I think the issue is, more people have likely seen and enjoyed the JLU Supergirl over anyone who's seen read the award winning comic.
 

New Earth Supergirl was the one I read.  After they ended that one, I haven't gotten back into Supergirl.  Though to also be fair, it's been long enough I don't recall it the best either other than remembering some good art.

[TTRPGWhiz]

5 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

I think the issue is, more people have likely seen and enjoyed the JLU Supergirl over anyone who's seen read the award winning comic.

I don’t see how or why there’s any issue. “This movie is based on an Eisner award nominated comic book” is just a fact, not sure why it triggered so much back and forth. /shrug

 

I don’t really think the general movie going public cares what source material gets adapted. But I do think that adapting a story that has already been very well-received in its original format is noteworthy.

Edited yesterday at 09:41 PM by TTRPGWhiz

[ZacKing]

4 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

But I do think that adapting a story that has already been very well-received in its original format is noteworthy.

 

How do you know?  You haven't even seen it yet. 😉

[battlewraith]

11 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

 

How do you know?  You haven't even seen it yet. 😉

Why would he have needed to see it to think that is noteworthy? 

[Ghost]

8 hours ago, battlewraith said:

Why would he have needed to see it to think that is noteworthy? 

No opinions allowed a year before it comes out!!!

[TTRPGWhiz]

8 hours ago, ZacKing said:

 

How do you know?  You haven't even seen it yet. 😉

 

An attempt was made.

[battlewraith]

1 hour ago, Ghost said:

No opinions allowed a year before it comes out!!!

 

He wasn't talking about something happening next year. He mentioned a decision that has been made now. 

 

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

 

He wasn't talking about something happening next year. He mentioned a decision that has been made now. 

 

Come on man.  Don’t take everything so seriously online - especially when he included a little eye wink emoji

🙄

[battlewraith]

7 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Come on man.  Don’t take everything so seriously online - especially when he included a little eye wink emoji

🙄

The wink emoji is the secret sauce?😉

[Ghost]

Just now, battlewraith said:

The wink emoji is the secret sauce?😉

Yes 🙂

It solves like 75% of the worlds problems.

[ZacKing]

3 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

An attempt was made.

 

What attempt?  The Supergirl film hasn't even been released yet.  There isn't even a teaser trailer for it yet.  How can you know if it's good or not if you haven't even seen it yet?  The source material may be award winning, that doesn't mean the script for the film adaption is.  😉

[TTRPGWhiz]

1 hour ago, ZacKing said:

 

What attempt?  The Supergirl film hasn't even been released yet.  There isn't even a teaser trailer for it yet.  How can you know if it's good or not if you haven't even seen it yet?  The source material may be award winning, that doesn't mean the script for the film adaption is.  😉

 I didn’t say it was. All I said was “this is based on a book that was really well received”.  If folks consider that a controversial statement or something worth having an argument about, that’s their issue(s).