Ironheart Trailer

[JKCarrier]

5 hours ago, BrandX said:

Peter Parker wasn't  required to help.

Peter clearly thinks differently. "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."

 

5 hours ago, BrandX said:

By your logic, every soldier should feel guilty and be a criminal.  Natasha did her job for her government.  She later does the same things for another government and she's a hero.

Natasha was not a soldier for the Russians, she was an assassin. She's not "doing the same thing" for SHIELD. She says, "I've got red in my ledger. I'd like to wipe it out", not "I moved from Russia to the U.S. so I could kill people in a warmer climate".

 

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Tony built weapons.  That is neither illegal or criminal now is grounds to be guilty, or else you have to say everyone involved in the making of such weapons are guilty. 

Ok, I'll say it: "Everyone involved in the making of such weapons are guilty."

All of these characters changed their behavior because they came to realize that their old behavior was morally wrong.

[BrandX]

43 minutes ago, JKCarrier said:

Peter clearly thinks differently. "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."

 

Natasha was not a soldier for the Russians, she was an assassin. She's not "doing the same thing" for SHIELD. She says, "I've got red in my ledger. I'd like to wipe it out", not "I moved from Russia to the U.S. so I could kill people in a warmer climate".

 

Ok, I'll say it: "Everyone involved in the making of such weapons are guilty."

All of these characters changed their behavior because they came to realize that their old behavior was morally wrong.

 

That all goes back to feeling guilty.  Assassin for the government is no different than soldier.

 

Yes, they all had moral qualms with what they did, hence the feeling of guilt.

 

If however we go with the idea that just building weapons makes one guilty, then any who make weapons are free game on being taken out by those morally opposed to their weapon making (Quicksilver and Wanda), and yet they didn't go after the factories, which would've been far worse for Tony.

[ShardWarrior]

2 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

I didn't know there was another Ironheart thread. Please point me to it.

 

This is the thread for posting analysis from the likes of Critical Drinker and other YouTubers.

[ShardWarrior]

16 minutes ago, BrandX said:

If however we go with the idea that just building weapons makes one guilty, then any who make weapons are free game on being taken out by those morally opposed to their weapon making (Quicksilver and Wanda), and yet they didn't go after the factories, which would've been far worse for Tony.

 

To add to this, this applies to more than just straight up weapons.  There are a surprising number of ordinary, every day items that can be used as lethal weapons too.

[battlewraith]

15 minutes ago, BrandX said:

Assassin for the government is no different than soldier.

Absolutely not true. Natasha, depending on the circumstances of her kills, is probably has committed war crimes according to international law. 

 

3 minutes ago, ShardWarrior said:

There are a surprising number of ordinary, every day items that can be used as lethal weapons too.

 

Which is why they found American pillows and hammers all over the Middle East after the Gulf war, right?  The mental gymnastics going on here is off the hook. 

[ShardWarrior]

14 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

Which is why they found American pillows and hammers all over the Middle East after the Gulf war, right?

 

No one in the history of the world has ever been murdered by a knife?  Hammers can be used as weapons too.  You missed the point completely.  

[PeregrineFalcon]

2 hours ago, ShardWarrior said:

This is the thread for posting analysis from the likes of Critical Drinker and other YouTubers.

No that thread is about the critics. I'm not talking about the critics, I'm talking about Ironheart and the fact that she's a criminal, not a superhero.