Which Roles/Archetypes are most needed for endgame?

[Troo]

23 hours ago, Water said:

then the attuned and unattuned have their own set bonus each.

 

um.. I thought this was for Superior / Non-Superior not attuned.

 

If also for Attuned is the case, I learned something today.

 

[Forager]

4 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

makes me sad

 

 

multiple builds is a solution. 3 tuned builds per character. (if managing alt-itus is possible)

 

I agree. I plan to do a second build, but I'm not ready to spend the influence yet when I'm not exactly sure what I want. I'm not very experienced or well versed in the endgame content.

 

A third? I guess old school mode would be a cheap one to make.

[srmalloy]

1 hour ago, Troo said:

um.. I thought this was for Superior / Non-Superior not attuned.

This was my understanding as well -- that it only affected ATOs and Winter IOs.

[Psyonico]

7 hours ago, Troo said:

 

um.. I thought this was for Superior / Non-Superior not attuned.

 

If also for Attuned is the case, I learned something today.

 

You are correct, and I wonder if that is what they meant?

[Water]

9 hours ago, Troo said:

 

makes me sad

 

 

Well, I'm going to make you sadder - loads of gamers play games their own way.

[Water]

9 hours ago, Troo said:

 

um.. I thought this was for Superior / Non-Superior not attuned.

 

If also for Attuned is the case, I learned something today.

 

 

If you have attuned 2 Scirocco's Dervish and 2 unattuned Scirocco's Dervish in a power - you get the 10% regen twice. Once for the attuned set and once for the unattuned set. Hope this explains it

 

[Water]

There is absolutely no need for me and my enjoyment of the game to have a boosted 50 only build so that I can play 1 X 4 star per week with a leader who plays by the clock.

 

I recommend (to everyone) playing the game your way.

 

[Psyonico]

46 minutes ago, Water said:

 

If you have attuned 2 Scirocco's Dervish and 2 unattuned Scirocco's Dervish in a power - you get the 10% regen twice. Once for the attuned set and once for the unattuned set. Hope this explains it

 

Can someone double check this? I feel like that’s not accurate but I’m going to bed now so can’t check myself.

[Maelwys]

  

3 hours ago, Water said:

 

If you have attuned 2 Scirocco's Dervish and 2 unattuned Scirocco's Dervish in a power - you get the 10% regen twice. Once for the attuned set and once for the unattuned set. Hope this explains it

 

I actually have quite a few 50s that possess an attuned damage proc plus a boosted Lv50+5 Acc/Dam or Acc/Dam/End in one power or another. Not because it makes any difference to the mechanics of the proc... but because I have a habit of buying attuned IOs off the AH whenever I'm levelling up. It makes absolutely zero difference to the set bonuses; they always combine (because Attuned set IOs are just treated as "even-level" Unattuned set IOs).

 

ATOs behave differently because whenever you Catalyze them they do not become attuned (they're ALREADY attuned!) but instead become an entirely different IO set.
 

Edited Monday at 07:11 AM by Maelwys

[Water]

3 hours ago, Maelwys said:

 
I actually have quite a few 50s that possess an attuned damage proc plus a boosted Lv50+5 Acc/Dam or Acc/Dam/End in one power or another. Not because it makes any difference to the mechanics of the proc... but because I have a habit of buying attuned IOs off the AH whenever I'm levelling up. It makes absolutely zero difference to the set bonuses; they always combine (because Attuned set IOs are just treated as "even-level" Unattuned set IOs).

 

ATOs behave differently because whenever you Catalyze them they do not become attuned (they're ALREADY attuned!) but instead become an entirely different IO set.
 

 

Oh great - the old info I have from retail is now updated. Thanks.

 

EDIT: Have you tested them whilst exemplared for active bonus'?

 

 

Edited Monday at 10:04 AM by Water

[Water]

What the Wiki says  ( https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Invention_Origin_Enhancement_Set_Bonus )

 

Set Bonuses and Exemplaring

When a character exemplars down to a lower level access to set bonuses (and Global IOs that function as set bonuses) is based on the level of the Enhancement and not the power they are slotted in. Exemplaring more than three levels below the level of the Enhancements renders the set bonuses non-functional. However as long as the character does not exemplar more than three levels below the level of the Enhancement the set bonuses are retained even if the power they are slotted in is unavailable.

Purple (Very Rare) sets, PvP sets, Archetype Origin sets, and Winter Origin sets are exempt from this rule and their set bonuses function regardless of the character's exemplar level. Attuned Enhancements change their level based on the character's current Combat Level so the set bonuses will only shut off if the character exemplars more than three levels below the minimum level allowed for the Enhancement.

 

Soo ... the attuned bonus will carry lower - the unattuned will not.

 

The Frankenslotting is still the winner, looks like.

 

Edited Monday at 10:15 AM by Water

[Maelwys]

40 minutes ago, Water said:

EDIT: Have you tested them whilst exemplared for active bonus'?

Yep.
 

34 minutes ago, Water said:

Soo ... the attuned bonus will carry lower - the unattuned will not.

 

The Frankenslotting is still the winner, looks like.

Because Attuned IOs always act as if they're even-level to you; their Set Bonuses continue to function regardless of your level (only capping out at the lowest available level of their enhancement set). So whenever you exemplar; they tend to keep their set bonuses.

Therefore if you do more lower-level content AND your build relies more on set bonuses than it does on raw power aspect enhancement; then Attuned IOs win. However if you're do more level 50 content OR your build relies more on keeping the raw aspect enhancement of your powers high than it relies on set bonuses; then Boosted IOs win.
You can also mix both attuned and boosted; which can sometimes be beneficial if you rely on specific set bonuses more than others (e.g. global recharge for permadoms).

Personally I tend to just boost everything other than Procs/Globals; which get attuned (though purchased from the AH rather than manually poked with Catalysts).
ATOs (and Winter Sets!) are both separate beasts and they get manually Catalyzed at Lv50 in order to upgrade them from regular to superior.

 

Edited Monday at 10:44 AM by Maelwys

[Water]

But you do not keep the unattuned set bonus' if you exemplar more than 3 levels below the value of the IO.

[MTeague]

I only have multiple builds on one character, and I don't plan to repeat that. It's a giant PITA when you respec. Now, I know the idea is once you have settled plans and don't intend to respec much ever again, setting up a 2nd or 3rd build can give you more static options. 

 

But I always end up respecc'ing more often than I think I will.  It's enough of a hassle each time I do it with only one build. I don't want to have to do two or three back-to-back-to-back.  If I could tell it "I only want to respec build A, keep builds B and C completely untouched. Don't make me re-select everything for them", then I'd be more willing to use multiple builds.

[Uun]

2 hours ago, Water said:

But you do not keep the unattuned set bonus' if you exemplar more than 3 levels below the value of the IO.

Correct, except for purple and PVP sets. These don't need to be attuned and always retain their set bonuses.

[Maelwys]

3 hours ago, Water said:

But you do not keep the unattuned set bonus' if you exemplar more than 3 levels below the value of the IO.

Correct (aside from Purples and PvP IOs, as @Uun has already pointed out above!)

To add a bit to my statement of

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You can also mix both attuned and boosted; which can sometimes be beneficial if you rely on specific set bonuses more than others (e.g. global recharge for permadoms).

I guess it might help to give a few examples...

"Luck of the Gambler +7.5% Recharge" Global IOs are maybe a good example of this. Whilst these IOs can be boosted to improve their Defense enhancement aspect; I always attune them because their powerful recharge effect (which is coded as a set bonus) is low hanging fruit when it comes to minimizing build tradeoffs for benefits when exemplaring. Sometimes I'll have a set of 2-5 LoTGs in a power and I might choose to only attune the LotG Global plus maybe 1-2 others; then boost the rest.

However the "Steadfast Protection +Def/Res" Global IOs (which function similarly to LotGs!) I'll almost always boost instead of attune. I know that if I boost this IO to Lv30+5 then I can put it plus a Lv40+5 Reactive Armor Res IO and Lv40+5 Reactive Armor End/Res IO into the same resistance toggle to bring that toggle up to the ED cap for Damage Resistance aspect... but if I instead attuned the Steadfast then that combination of enhancements would fall short of the ED cap (so I'd need to combine it with HOs and/or Pure Lv50+5 Resistance IOs instead!). And although this means that my build will lose its global +3% Def effect if I exemplar lower than level 27; that is much less impactful than losing +7.5% global recharge from a LotG(s) if I exemplar lower than level 47.

 

Edited Monday at 03:56 PM by Maelwys

[Water]

13 hours ago, Maelwys said:

Correct (aside from Purples and PvP IOs
 

 

 

Correct.