Titan Weapon Momentum

[Ultimo]

Not having played a character with Titan Weapons until now, I wasn't aware of the Momentum mechanic.  I am finding it a bit awkward, though, because I'm often making attacks without Momentum active, without realizing it's not.

 

At present, there's a notification in the top right corner indicating "Momentum."  It's kind of easy to miss, it's not in a part of the screen we're generally looking at, most of the time we're looking at the enemies or the UI bar.  My suggestion is to make a notification on the UI bar, as follows:

 

Certain powers are only usable when Momentum is active, such as Crushing Blow.  Such powers are usually dimmed grey, and only light up when Momentum is active.  They also get a coloured ring around them, letting you know the power is now available for use.

 

My suggestion is to put a coloured ring on ALL TW powers when Momentum is active.

 

So, when Momentum is NOT active, powers like Crushing Blow would be dimmed with no ring, and could not be used.  Powers like Defensive Sweep would be coloured normally with no ring, and could be used, but slowly.

When Momentum IS active, Crushing Blow would light up with a ring, and Defensive Sweep would get a ring around it, indicating it would be accelerated.

 

I feel this would be more readily noticeable when in combat than the notification in the top corner.

[arcane]

The rings are your notification, not the message in the corner. No change needed.

[Ultimo]

4 hours ago, arcane said:

The rings are your notification, not the message in the corner. No change needed.

The ring is only there when a power that isn't normally available is available.

For example, if I Momentum is active, there will be a ring around Followthrough, which also lights up (I misremembered the name, I thought it was Crushing Blow).  There is NO CHANGE to any of the other powers, Defensive Sweep, Titan Sweep, etc.  If Followthrough is on cooldown, it will not light up and it will not have a ring around it.  That is, apart from the notification in the corner of the screen, there is NO indication for powers like Defensive Sweep to indicate they've been buffed by Momentum.

 

I'm just suggesting that the icons on the toolbar indicate when a power has been buffed by Momentum.

[Forager]

5 hours ago, arcane said:

The rings are your notification, not the message in the corner. No change needed.

 

He is talking about then powers that don't have rings. He asked for rings on all the Titan Weapon powers when Momentum is active. Some powers apparently get rings, some don't. He wants all the powers to have rings. He wants the powers that don't have rings to have rings.

[arcane]

3 minutes ago, Forager said:

 

He is talking about then powers that don't have rings. He asked for rings on all the Titan Weapon powers when Momentum is active. Some powers apparently get rings, some don't. He wants all the powers to have rings. He wants the powers that don't have rings to have rings.

That would be confusing to me since it would change what the rings are meant to indicate. No thanks.

[Forager]

6 minutes ago, arcane said:

That would be confusing to me since it would change what the rings are meant to indicate. No thanks.

 

I thought the ring meant you had momentum?

[Psyonico]

49 minutes ago, Ultimo said:

If Followthrough is on cooldown, it will not light up and it will not have a ring around it.

It won’t light up (because that’s what powers on cooldown do) but the ring is still there.

[Ultimo]

The ring on Followthrough is actually redundant, since it lights up to indicate Momentum... but the power can't be used without Momentum.  If it's lit up and usable, you've got Momentum.  You don't need the ring.

 

Other powers, though, don't get a ring.  There's no indication on the icon at all to indicate Momentum.  It would be nice if they got a ring to indicate that they've been buffed by Momentum.  Indeed, what I'm suggesting is that ANY power being buffed by Momentum should get the ring on the icon to indicate that.

[arcane]

47 minutes ago, Forager said:

 

I thought the ring meant you had momentum?

The rings are there to further highlight that the powers are currently usable.

[Rudra]

5 minutes ago, arcane said:

52 minutes ago, Forager said:

 

I thought the ring meant you had momentum?

The rings are there to further highlight that the powers are currently usable.

To piggyback off this comment, players can miss that some powers that require Momentum are available as the icons can, not saying will, but can, blend together in the player's view. Having rings helps highlight those powers as being available now rather than just being more lit indicators in the set. My take on the rings at least.

 

Edit: That said, dumb question: wouldn't having any power in the set having a ring be sufficient indicator that you have Momentum and that it is currently being applied to your powers?

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Rudra
Edited again to capitalize first "Momentum".

[Ultimo]

12 minutes ago, Rudra said:

To piggyback off this comment, players can miss that some powers that require Momentum are available as the icons can, not saying will, but can, blend together in the player's view. Having rings helps highlight those powers as being available now rather than just being more lit indicators in the set. My take on the rings at least.

 

Edit: That said, dumb question: wouldn't having any power in the set having a ring be sufficient indicator that you have Momentum and that it is currently being applied to your powers?

 

That's basically what I'm looking for.  Any power being enhanced by Momentum should get a ring around it to let us know.

 

I mean, when I'm fighting bad guys, I'm usually looking at THEM or the toolbar, not up in the top corner where nothing is usually going on.  With Momentum lasting only a couple of seconds, it's easy to miss.  If it's on the toolbar, I'm not likely to miss it.

[Forager]

33 minutes ago, arcane said:

The rings are there to further highlight that the powers are currently usable.

 

Oh. This must be specific to these powers on Titan Weapons, I'm assuming.

 

Where did you find this information?

[Rudra]

24 minutes ago, Ultimo said:

39 minutes ago, Rudra said:

To piggyback off this comment, players can miss that some powers that require Momentum are available as the icons can, not saying will, but can, blend together in the player's view. Having rings helps highlight those powers as being available now rather than just being more lit indicators in the set. My take on the rings at least.

 

Edit: That said, dumb question: wouldn't having any power in the set having a ring be sufficient indicator that you have Momentum and that it is currently being applied to your powers?

 

That's basically what I'm looking for.  Any power being enhanced by Momentum should get a ring around it to let us know.

 

I mean, when I'm fighting bad guys, I'm usually looking at THEM or the toolbar, not up in the top corner where nothing is usually going on.  With Momentum lasting only a couple of seconds, it's easy to miss.  If it's on the toolbar, I'm not likely to miss it.

Except what you are saying is not what I am saying. I am saying, that my take on the rings and how they seem to work, is that powers that require Momentum get the rings to differentiate them from the other powers that are normally available even without Momentum. Regardless of whether those other powers gain any benefit from Momentum or not, so that the player can at a glance know which powers have become available because the character has Momentum and will stop being available when Momentum is lost so the player can possibly prioritize the powers that are only available while Momentum is available.

[Ultimo]

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

Except what you are saying is not what I am saying. I am saying, that my take on the rings and how they seem to work, is that powers that require Momentum get the rings to differentiate them from the other powers that are normally available even without Momentum. Regardless of whether those other powers gain any benefit from Momentum or not, so that the player can at a glance know which powers have become available because the character has Momentum and will stop being available when Momentum is lost so the player can possibly prioritize the powers that are only available while Momentum is available.

Ah, I misunderstood.  The thing is, powers that REQUIRE Momentum can't be used at all without it, so they're already greyed out and can't be used.  Thus, you already know when not to use them, because you CAN'T use them.  The thing with the other powers is that without Momentum they take a LONG time to fire, and there's no way to cancel (that I know of), so I could end up getting myself killed while sloooooooowly building up that Titan Sweep, having activated it, not knowing Momentum had expired.

[Rudra]

15 minutes ago, Ultimo said:

The thing is, powers that REQUIRE Momentum can't be used at all without it, so they're already greyed out and can't be used.  Thus, you already know when not to use them, because you CAN'T use them. 

 

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

<snip> players can miss that some powers that require Momentum are available as the icons can, not saying will, but can, blend together in the player's view. Having rings helps highlight those powers as being available now rather than just being more lit indicators in the set. <snip>

 

Again, to the best of my understanding, which does not mean it is necessarily the case, just how things look to me, the rings are so that at a glance the player can readily identify the powers that are now available without their icons simply blending into the rest of the 'power ready for use' icons. It would kinda suck to be waiting to use a power that you can only use with Momentum, you get Momentum, and you click a power that does not require Momentum for use and now you need to wait for Momentum again.

 

As best as I can understand, the purpose of the rings is make sure the player knows what powers need it even if they find themselves rushing their clicks to deal with the threats. Is that why the rings are there? I don't really know, but they do seem to serve that function to me. So if every Titan Weapon got the rings when you get Momentum, now there is no at a glance reminder because all the icons are lit and ringed.

 

Am I arguing against the OP? No. I don't currently have any more Titan Weapon characters. However, having an at a glance indicator for powers are now available for use without having to scan all the icons to try to remember what one(s) you were waiting for seems like a good idea to me.

 

If I might make a suggestion to alter the OP? Don't give all the powers the rings. If you want to see the powers that benefit from Momentum highlighted in addition to the powers that require Momentum, then have them get a different color ring or other indicator. That way a player playing Titan Weapons that may occasionally lose track of what powers were being waited on to become available will still get that extra indicator to tell him/her/them where those specific powers requiring Momentum are so the player can click those instead of in a rush clicking the wrong power.

[srmalloy]

50 minutes ago, Rudra said:

If you want to see the powers that benefit from Momentum highlighted in addition to the powers that require Momentum, then have them get a different color ring

And there you run into deep UI decisions, because the colors you pick have to be distinctive even to a viewer with a color deficiency, so you're not gimping a subset of the players.

[Rudra]

27 minutes ago, srmalloy said:

And there you run into deep UI decisions, because the colors you pick have to be distinctive even to a viewer with a color deficiency, so you're not gimping a subset of the players.

True, but that is also why the post you quoted but cut off said "or other indicator". Because the other indicator does not need to be a different colored ring, it could be an asterisk that appears or a "M" that appears or whatever else you can think of that appears on or at the power icon.

 

(Edit: And that asterisk, "M", or other indicator can be placed in the middle of the icon, at a "corner" of the (round, so no actual corners to help explain) icon, or other method. Hells, the other indicator could just be making the icons glow.)

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Rudra
Edited to change "indicator" to "icon".

[Psyonico]

Man, this would be so much easier if it just said Momentum in red text somewhere on the screen when you had it…