Unexplained death in TF Market Crash - accumulated MaxHP Debuff a reason ? Bug or way it should be ?

[Rezzar]

Hi - i'm looking to figur out a reason why my main-char a very well equipped Rad/Rad Tank with Soft Capped Defenses, High Resists (Cold/Psi only about 50%), Top Notch enhancements overall died on the Market Crash run that we did on 28th May
2025 on torchbearer. It was a team of ppl with +4 Lvl so Mobs were lvl 54.

 

 

During that TF my hp didnt drop much / at all afaik. We went thru very smooth.

In the final fight i tanked Crimson Prototype and towards the end of the fight i had an "instant death" - from FULL HEALTH BAR. 

Why i dont know and couldnt figure out so i'm looking for help/hints/ideas.

 

I double checked my log and it shows me not what killed me - the last dmg before i had to Battle-Res mysef

i found was was minor (2.57 and 10.32 dmg).

 

What i figured out in combat log is that the AV does Max HP Debuffs (with various numbers) like

"Crimson Prototype lowers your max HP by 147.68 points!"

 

The fight started around 2025-05-27 15:18:33 and i died at 2025-05-27 15:21:06

Accumulating all the Max HP debuffs in that timewindow, this is enough to overcome my whole HP pool - not sure how long those debuffs last or what affects their duration ( i have high resists when it comes to various affects)

 

Note: My "Particle Shielding" Barrier of 1125 points seems to have been down during that time window when i died. 

Here's the few lines of when i died - no death message or reason i can see. 

Full Log from Fight start to end is attached for details.

 

2025-05-27 15:21:06 You activated the Devastating Blow power.
2025-05-27 15:21:06 Target is unaffected by Devastating Blow.
2025-05-27 15:21:06 Captain HITS you! Pulse Rifle Blast power had a 7.48% chance to hit and rolled a 1.15.
2025-05-27 15:21:06 Captain hits you with their Pulse Rifle Blast for 2.57 points of Smashing damage.
2025-05-27 15:21:06 Captain hits you with their Pulse Rifle Blast for 10.32 points of Energy damage.
2025-05-27 15:21:06 Atom Smasher is recharged.
2025-05-27 15:21:07 Hasten is recharged.
2025-05-27 15:21:08 Proton Armor is recharged.
2025-05-27 15:21:08 You gain 2,530 experience, work off 2,530 debt, and gain 6,071 influence.
2025-05-27 15:21:08 Alpha Barrier is recharged.
2025-05-27 15:21:09 Irradiated Ground is recharged.
2025-05-27 15:21:09 Fallout Shelter is recharged.
2025-05-27 15:21:10 Radioactive Smash is recharged.
2025-05-27 15:21:10 You activated the Return to Battle power.
2025-05-27 15:21:10 You return to battle, ready for anything.

 

I highly appreciate any ideas if my theorie is true -> MAX HP DEBUFFS Last multiple Minutes and accumulate from 1 source.

We are talking 2600hp my tank has.

 

2nd thing - is this working as intended ? I hear from other ppl this has happened before.

 

Thanks a lot ! 

chatlog 2025-05-27.txt

[Hedgefund]

The Crimson Prototype has a lot  of -maxHP in its attacks.  You can look through them here: https://cod.uberguy.net./html/powerset.html?pset=skyraiders.sky_raider_crimson&at=boss_monstrosity

 

It looks like -maxHP lasts 30 seconds for each source.  I didn't click each power so there may be exceptions.

 

As to "is this intended?" it's been this way since the first MC I ever did.  Sometimes, a big beefy tank just gets got in this encounter.  As your teammates mentioned, it happens.

[Lunar Ronin]

Intentional.  Crimson Prototype can debuff your HPs to 1 if you're not careful)not paying attention.

[Maelwys]

34 minutes ago, Lunar Ronin said:

Intentional.  Crimson Prototype can debuff your HPs to 1 if you're not careful)not paying attention.

 

Which is actually the point at which the fight becomes somewhat manageable, since the anti-one-shot code won't let you die. But if you have a MaxHP of 2 or more then you're SOL! 🤣

 

My favourite toon for actually tanking that thing is an Illusion Controller; but most of my MMs can Brute Force it by spreading the debuffs around. Defense helps, as does Absorb... but the sheer frequency and magnitude of the -MaxHP debuffs will cripple most solo toons regardless of their damage resistances.

[arcane]

This fight can be a real bitch to tank if you don’t have an absorb shield 😕

[macskull]

This is all WAI, you’re gonna have A Really Bad Time if you are the only one taking aggro and the team can’t kill the target quickly.

[Rezzar]

Thanks all for the feedback, this helps - going to get there prepared next time ! 🙂