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Oh xhiggy, don't you know? Artic understands this game better than anyone. As of 12 hours ago, he actually thought healing aura rooted you. But yeah, your numbers don't differ much from what we see on our side. Arctic (fixed that spelling for him) is clearly exaggerating.

See, the thing is: that line of argument assumes that design intent is relevant in PVP. That is the most naive take on PVP ever and just suggests that you haven't played many competitive games. In most competitive games, Devs constantly update games based on performance metrics. We literally have no one other than a couple of teams generating those performance metrics right now. We don't have paid devs. We don't have access to whatever internal metrics NCSoft had. We actually vote on rulesets based on our metrics. Unless you can actually have someone come in and show an actual analysis suggesting that the meta without redraw cancels is somehow better than the meta with it, you have very little to standing to say intent is relevant.

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First and foremost: Gunrock, please stop trying to hide your identity. Secondly, equating the Crey Pistol to emote canceling is categorically wrong. Crey Pistol canceling effectively benefits support sets above anything else, and anyone who understands this meta, would understand that that is actually not a problem. Emote canceling helps blast sets disproportionally. That is a problem given the meta. Making both equivalent is just wrong. If you can't see that, then you really have no business asking for "fixes" of any sort. Third, please don't bring "designer intent" into this conversation again, the we might as well start playing with Travel Suppression and Heal Decay on because.. well... "designer intent". Lastly, this is not game breaking. That is exemplified by the events of last Wednesday when your team emote-animation-cancelled against us, even though the broad agreement reached by all captains banned the use of emote-cancelling. Your team still got handily beaten over and over. Your theory-craft needs some work when your "this breaks the game" faces the reality of "we lost over and over when we tried to use it".

basically what MJB said. the myth that melee isn't viable in RV is promulgated by a small and vocal minority of inept players who want to coax developers into giving us tankmages for people who don't have any clue how to build a character (because we already have tankmages in the form of x/x/fossilize tanks/brutes with t4 incarnates). signed, #2011barrier

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Okay dude, go read up the rules. It's 4-man teams paired into 8v8 setups. Why are you so concerned with the number of holds? Holds don't stack anymore, this isn't PVE.

1. Holds don’t matter that much on blasters. They’re kind of a liability in team settings. 2. Scrappers probably do less damage than tanks and brutes in most 8v8 settings.

#burritokingbarrier4eva but I’m mostly in agreement. Though, having seen certain taunt players (especially one whose name starts with Web), there is at least a measure of positioning skill required to taunt properly. It’s a super low bar, but there are some really short people out there. The -range might also have some interesting interactions with jaunt and we really shouldn’t be aiming to increase mortality in a game with very few mitigation strategies.

AHAHAHAHAHA on many counts. 1. PVP at the higher-end has never been extremely casual friendly. Teams that had access to leveling exploits had a huge advantage over teams that didn't, and a lot of what is seen as "X was viable" pre-i13 was just people making due with what they had and a higher skill-cap than what we have now. 2. A big reason for Siren's not being packed is that in this game, the market is pretty damn reasonable, and getting to 50 is pretty trivial. There is very little incentive to play at less-than-full strength - especially with Base TP, base buffs and t3's being a thing. 3. lolhyperai. Big name in a deadish game? Finally, I do generally agree with you that artificial restrictions indicate bad balance, but the fact is that we've always had those. Veng stacking pre-i13, stalags and poisonous ray in the first post-i13 league, blaster and poison limits now (which are only a problem in the light of having no mitigation against those - blaster damage in a 1v1 environment is a lot closer to pre-i13 than it was on live). But those rules are also a reflection of how fast we're exploring the "meta" this time around. You have 6 teams (rare, rng, vori, inc, ggz and gboti) that are constantly exploring possible viable comps at what is an insanely fast clip, especially compared to what it could have been pre-i13. There are more rules now because we have explored more permutations of possible team comps. This time around, I don't think it has much to do with an indication of improper balance - it's more just that the ease of leveling has created an disincentive for forbearance and incentivized the exploration of the meta a lot more than pre-homecoming. That has probably kept teams a bit more interested in the game than they would have otherwise been.

What part of "the game has new features from pve that would make it impossible to get your precious pre-i13 pvp system back" do you not understand? As to your less-than-well-thought-out-responses: - Stop obfuscating. You can literally hit exorbitant slow resists without even trying right now. I have a couple of builds with huge slow resists that are just incidental to other targets. That was not the case pre-i13 and even on live when you had to shell out a bunch of cash to make that happen. Did you ever play a cold pre-i13? You aren't getting that back if you just revert to i8 with the current io sets and market. - Can you name a controller set with multiple single target holds with a spammable recharge? - How is that a response? That is exactly what teh banana dude is saying. Unresistable on-demand crits from scrappers were not something that you had pre-i13. Keeping those crits resistable in the current system actually provides better balance than otherwise. Do you understand this stuff?

Because most of his targets survive roguing attempts so he gets all the dots?

i approve.

huh, you do know hot is a pretty good emp, right?

lol

This is A+ Hot Heals content and the reason I came to this thread. No sarcasm.

95% of the time it's not the emp. It's your offense. This should be obvious.

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It would be all kinds of broken. Between PPM and proliferation, any class with a mez would be extremely overpowered under the prior system. Imagine a blaster hitting your tank with mag 12 hold protection with freeze ray + +2 mag hold proc + devastation hold proc and strangler with the same slotting. You'd be held through your hold protection in 1 cast cycle most of the time - for the full pve duration x resists. Now imagine 3 blasters on top of you. All kinds of broken.

Hey Hot, wanna do invader?

In the way that it is the one of the only maps that HEAVILY rewards communication over discipline. I said it before, the optimal team draw for that map, from our little community, looks a lot different than the one for any other map in heavy rotation. Variety is a good thing.

THE LAB IS A LEGIT 6V6 MAP! (sure AF more legit than stadium).

I'll do a search through the old archives at some point but I'm pretty sure that came up during i11 beta testing for purple sets (remember all the PVPers on test team rosters got invites to the closed betas on live; I remember picking this up immediately on test when re-building my second pvp ladder toon, a ninja/poison mm which was only viable back then with that proc given how hard it was to get proper accuracy bonuses on a +hp build without these new ATOs). I just hope that the dev comments made it to the open boards. I don't know how begin addressing your comment about MM's and to-hit buffs. Every single AT out there has more access to to-hit buffs than MM's - with the exception of maybe controllers. It's really all relative. Masterminds get less, right? Care to address that without resorting to "intent" narratives? In addition to that, the Gaussian BU proc is close to useless in any situation where you need a to-hit buff prior to firing either a debuff or a heavy-hitting attack. Those situations abound in PVP, especially since direct pet damage and pet debuffs are kinda useless given how slow pets are.