[Less restrictive Power Pools & additional enhancement slots]

16 minutes ago, arcane said:

Yeah that sounds reasonable. 

Other threads on this very forum have led me to believe that this isn't reasonable at all.  Here's one.

 

https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/14187-suggestion-non-visual-rocket-pack-prestige-flight/

[Less restrictive Power Pools & additional enhancement slots]

I just wanted to fly without a jetpack.  I Like all my other powers.  I use all the other powers on my Scrapper.   I even took and use Elude and Warrior's Challenge.  

 

So i wanted to not have punch or kick, so i could fly without a finite, immersion breaking costume altering temporary power.  I wasn't going to shatter the game by taking a power that gives a tiny amount of defense to my soft-capped scrapper.  It might have let me travel places i cant use infiltration to reach slightly faster.  

 

I suppose this doesn't qualify as lateral expansion, but i guess i needed vertical expansion instead.

 

I'm not entitled.  I'm not trying to shatter records for completing things.  Flying vs an attack i neither slot, nor use, will not help me take down a gm av or pylon faster.

 

I dont like the assumption behind my motives for asking for this, specifically for the fighting pool, but i dont slot or use maneuvers either even though i run tactics at all times.  

 

I think some people, who metagame, worry more about what someone could do instead of what they would.

 

And all i wanted, was to fly.

 

Now, i know the obvious answer has to do with trade offs and hard choices.  My reply is that it doesn't have to be.

 

But the suggestion forum cartel convey the appearance, whether intentional or not, that they are protecting the game from our wild ideas because it will destroy everything, and that zeal comea across as unwelcoming, and has a tone that contains "no, stupid.  Because we said so.  Because we know better than you.  Because your idea is so bad, it will literally lead to the destruction of the game.  If you don't like it, leave "

 

And thats fucked up.  And thats why some of you have, whether earned or unearned, gotten the reputations that you have.  You make me not want to log into the forums.  You make me not want to test on the beta.  You make me want to not log in to the game.

 

All because i wanted to fly.

 

So, in the hopes that my part of this request will no longer be seen as a sinister plot to destroy the city with my powermad dreams of...power, im gonna fucking bow out of this.

 

 

[Do the new reactions mean anything? (Now with shark, saxophone, thumbs left and right)]

This thread is gone to the Bulgarians.

[I propose a new drinking game]

Power creep is the new /jranger.

[what powers would you use, if you were doing a Homage to Spiderman ??]

Hmm.

 

I can see how /bio would fit a little if we're talking about a symbiote style costume.  I also feel Brute would be more appropriate there.

 

Though if I'm being honest, i preferred the first iteration of Venom without the tongue, slobber, and people eating so i tend to gloss over that in my considerations.  So get off my lawn.

[Accolade for doing all TFs and SFs]

There's some history to Accolade badges granting powers, the fast travel teleport being the most recent I can think of.

 

I might be convinced that finishing all the Shadow Shard, or better yet, some sort of "Master of all of the Shadow Shard Task Forces," if they had Master of challenges, might be worth a free jetpack that doesn't run out of fuel.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

14 minutes ago, SwitchFade said:

You know, trying to convince your audience to change their position from the current state to your new proposed state is Ill served with this type of tactic.

 

The onus rests with the person trying to persuade for a change, not on the audience to defend the current majority state. How have you syllogistically overcome objections? How have you proposed improvements with evidence? How have you innoculated against objection? How have you considered channel interference of your message?

 

If your entire argument is couched in unsupported opinion, personal preference and tactics that involve hyperbole, innuendo or straw man statements, you may not find a receptive audience.

 

Regardless, you have changed my no vote to...

 

HARD no vote.

 

So, you were successful, just not quite in the way you hoped; however, this does teach us a great lesson about how to change minds.

Huh.  You must be the horse they rode in on.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

41 minutes ago, KaizenSoze said:

Though the devs might surprise us, the mother of all power creep, Incarnates, has not changed a bit since live.

Incarnates are arguably easier to get, at least the Incarnate Experience is at least.  Theres also a few more power choices in incarnates than there were presunset.  But power creep a is not power creep b i guess.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

Power creep was out the door on live when we learned how to solo giant monsters and task forces.  

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

14 minutes ago, Luminara said:

 

The net Defense is identical.  CJ and Hover grant 1.875% (scrapper) Defense (All), not 1.88%.

My mids rounded it I guess.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

No one asked for an overhaul, at least I didn't.  I think all anyone wants is to ditch the pre requisite for the third power which has now already been done for all but four power pools.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

While politely put, it's still sort of "if you don't like it, leave.  And truthfully, I'm considering it.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

Just now, Rudra said:

You mean this as a "they can't possibly agree to this" defense, but I can live with it. Easily. You should brace for the rest of the community though.

 

Don't infer or assume you know what I mean.  Given how vehemently you and your cadre of  banner waving balance and spirit of the devs cadre disapprove of every idea you dont like as if its your goddamn profession.  You all squat in this forum and impose your will, in the name of balance, on anything you dont collectively approve of, with insight you dont have, and then have the audacity to tell me that 2 powers giving more than 3 powers is fair and balanced and fine?  

 

Its funny, but i read somewhere that the boards are not the game, and most dont even read them.  I wonder how many people would just shrug, break out mids, and figure it the fuck out.

 

I'm not often drive away from things i enjoy.  I enjoy city of heroes.  Today, im privately grateful that it shutting down for a decade delayed its descent into the toxic land you, and people like you, who rise up to battle, like some fucking crusade, because some gamer doesnt know how wrong they are on the internet. 

 

You don't disagree with people, you try to fucking *correct* them.

 

 

 

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

4 minutes ago, Ston said:

 

They give a tiny defense boost. The sets are much more based on their movement type rather than defense. SJ, Fly, Air Superiority, Jump Kick, Spring Attack don’t give defense. Evasive Maneuvers gives defense but is more focused on flight speed since you lose defense in combat.

 

It’s a stretch to suggest the <2% defense boost makes those pools “defense” pools. You’re asking to make Boxing/Kick give the same value as defense powers… but defense shouldn’t be the focus anyway.

So, two tiny powers that get defense bonuses in a nondefense based set provide more defense than three powers chosen from a pool that is also not focused on defense is balanced, is this your position?

 

Because people, despite your assertation, take these powers not only for defense, but for set bonuses that those powers take.

 

 

I'll tell ya what fam, make Travel powers only take Travel sets, and not allow them to take defense sets/procs anymore, since that isn't their focus anyway and i will shut the fuck up about the fighting pool forever.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

10 minutes ago, Ston said:

 

The pool is called “Fighting”, not “Defense”. You’re not going to get 2 pre-requisite powers that give you defense. Boxing & Kick are thematically appropriate.

 

You’re putting way too much value on defense for a power pool that isn’t based on defense. May I suggest Concealment? 

 

Ok then should hover and cj not get defense mods because they are in the Flight and Jumping pools, which are also not named the Defense pool?

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

On my scrapper, Hover gives 1.88 def.  Combat jumping gives 1.88 def.

 

Def is additive, 1.88+1.88 =3.76.

 

Weave gives my scrapper 3.75 def, with no added movement.

 

2 powers gives more def bonus than 3 from fighting to get Weave.  This is a better value.  

 

You might point out that if i took tough as a pre requisite than the overall protection is greater than hover+ cj,  but Tough isnt the pre req, 2 power are.  Those could be the, as you've pointed out, the useful boxing and kick.

 

Costs more to get less.  Seems legit.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

18 minutes ago, TheZag said:

I agree that individually,  boxing and kick are stinkers, but the pool as a whole is quite strong.  Taking a power that people consider a zero so they can get 2 powers that are 100s is the cost.  If they were immediately available then their buff would probably be reduced by about 1/3.  Even in this case it would be a buff boxing and kick situation,  not a make tough and weave free situation. 

 

Other pool powers did get requirement adjustments but it wasnt due to them being poor design choices.  Those requirements were put in place to make people log in more and level up more slowly so they would keep paying their monthly fees.  Monthly subscriptions are gone now and several of the systems put in place to milk them have been relaxed or removed.  Not everything can become free or instant though or there would be no sense to play the game. Characters gaining mastery over pool powers by first learning the easy stuff before getting the good stuff isnt likely to be changing.

 

 

Cool.  Delete AE then because everything is already instant AF.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

16 minutes ago, Ston said:

 

You’re ignoring that Boxing & Kick make Cross Punch more powerful. You get bonus tohit, recharge, & damage.

 

I get that not everyone wants to use CP, but you can’t say that Boxing & Kick have no value.

Two powers that i dont want to take, affecting a third power im not taking anyway does in fact have zero value to me.

 

 

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

4 hours ago, Rudra said:

No.

 

Edit: The pools are weakest powers are accessible first, then better powers. You are asking to invert that. That is like asking to get your primary pool power's nuke at 1st level.

 

Please explain how 3 speed powers, including hasten, 3 jumping powers, including combat jumping, 3 sorcery, including mystic bolt, etc etc etc are the same as or equal to boxing and kick.  Ranged attack powers, movement, stealth, all things that can be used to be more survivable or even remove you from combat or prevent you from being noticed all available with no pre requisite are considered as weak as boxing and kick?

 

 

My ass.

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

You're absolutely right.  Fighting won't make you be able to run faster than a car or jump over a building.

 

That's reserved for the ability to turn kinda invisible, Infiltration.  Makes much more sense.

 

 

[Making the "Weave" power more accessible]

Right.  Fighters never run long distances(end) or sprints (running) or skip rope or broad or high jump as part of their training. 

 

Rocky is a lie.

 

But kudos to the consistency of the small mob of you continuing to wave that flag of shitcanning ideas in the name of your, not our, not the devs, idea of power creep.

[New Staff weapon customisation]

Either way it's fucking toxic.

 

 

OP, yeah, unlock the spear.  Unlock everything.  I don't need logic to tell me shit about it.  If legendary mythic unique goddamn Excalibur is available to literally everyone with titan, ninja, katana, or broad sword, then some dinky npc's spear (or anything else, for that matter) should be good to go.

[New Staff weapon customisation]

10 hours ago, Rigged said:

 

 

Also, whether you are in favor of the OP does not change what I said about you /jrangering everything you do not have personal interest in.

 

+1

 

Whether by accident or design, and without pointing a finger at a single being, there is a lot of fucking gatekeeping on this specific forum.  If you don't like an idea, say that.  It's not helpful to my or anyone else's day or experience for any of you to go above and beyond with a thousand word screed about how an idea is conpletely out of the question based on your personal knowledge of how things were, are, and allegedly should be.

 

Sometimes ideas are a little overpowered.  Sometimes they aren't. Sometimes they are workable.  Sometimes they aren't.  But I would wager most ideas on this forum come from a place of excitement and love for the game and don't deserve to be shit on in the fashion that some of you are so adept at in the name of the preservation of your enforced internal logic.

 

 

[I want to customize the fighting pool]

I didn't split a power pool into one for punching and one for kicking.  I said to rename the Fighting pool to Boxing, and have a power named Boxing that does punching animations, and a power named Kickboxing that does kicking animations.  I further wrote that perhaps the Boxing power could do one of four random animations to simulate the four classic boxing punches, and the Kickboxing power could do one of three random animations.  Sort of how Brawl will throw from either hand or do a kick. 

 

Then I added existing powers to draw those random animations from.

 

Thanks for letting me clarify my idea, and sorry for any misunderstanding.

 

 

[I want to customize the fighting pool]

5 minutes ago, biostem said:

 No need to go splitting up the pool...

There's no need for any of this at all.