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Yeahhhhh I think people who look at Kinetics on an MM and then go “oh this looks like it would be really good” need to put me in touch which whomever is supplying whatever’s got them stoned out of their gourd. It can be fine when paired with melee-heavy MM primaries but most of the strongest powers being enemy-location-based means it takes an insane level of micromanaging to ensure the pets that need the buffs actually get them. The reality of the situation is pets don’t benefit from recharge buffs, they don’t really need the movement speed buffs (if they’re in a position where they need to run that fast either they’re going to get teleported back to the MM via tether distance or they’re getting dragged through mobs and will probably die), their damage caps are low, and Transfusion and Transference can be tricky to utilize when needed.

Thanks! You shouldn’t be, there are very few critters immune to repel outside of AVs and GMs. In other words, if you cast new Black Hole on almost any cluster of critters you’re going to get the new succ behavior while those of us who use the intangibility effect on specific targets will continue to be able to do so. Everyone wins except the people who go through the game without bothering to learn how it works, and we shouldn’t really be catering to the lowest common denominator now, should we?

It’s also a useful tool for removing specific targets from a fight.

Sorry, you can pry the intang out of my cold, dead hands.

I think it's time we readjusted IO scaling for IOs below level 27, since they were originally scaled based off an enhancement system that doesn't really exist anymore.

Checks watch Is it time for another Ultimo thread already?

I understand that, and my point stands.

Thumbs up for listening to feedback and making the overcap reduction a flat value, but thumbs down for making it such a low value. Why not just 50%?

Well… it’s not false. They are technically correct, but once again as I’ve been pointing out that information on its own isn’t useful.

It would seem so, but that seems like an entirely different thread at this point. Anyways, care to address the facts of the argument, or is the weight of evidence still not enough to convince you?

A different thread in which they misunderstood how streakbreaker worked seems to have leaked into this one.

For what it's worth, he's not wrong, and the PPM value of an enhancement does tell you how many times on average a proc will fire in minute assuming you're using the power off cooldown every time. It's just that that's... not very useful information on its own. Alright, so we went there despite it being wildly off-topic and your understanding of the system being demonstrably false. You're even contradicting yourself within the same three sentences - in one sentence you say streakbreaker allows one miss before forcing a hit but two sentences later you say you need to miss twice before streakbreaker forces a hit. Which is it? Thankfully, that's really easy to figure out. The numbers in the post you are quoting are the number of misses allowed before streakbreaker forces a hit. If I have a greater than 90% chance to hit, I can miss one time and the streakbreaker will force a hit on the next attack. If you want to test this in game, bring your level 50 into Atlas Park and start throwing single-target attacks at random low level mobs. Eventually you will miss one of those attacks, and the next attack will always be forced to hit by streakbreaker. Just in case you don't want to go ingame and check for yourself, I'll dig through the 100,000+ data points I have saved in combat logs from when I was doing some streakbreaker testing earlier this year. Hell, I'll even send you the log files and the source code for the tool I use so you can check for yourself, if you want. Anyways, here's the results of those: If streakbreaker actually needed two misses with a >90% hit rate to trigger, the number of total misses would be double the number of streakbreaker hits. Clearly you can see that's not true. Once again, receipts.

Hi it's me, a person who does not make claims without the receipts to back them up. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Saying PPM is the basis of the calculations for the chance of a proc to trigger is no more true than saying power activation time or AoE radius is the basis of the calculations. They’re all just parts of the equation. At the end of the day, this discussion is entirely irrelevant, since the lead powers dev has already said they want actual proc chance to be displayed ingame.

A few problems with this example: Even if the 90% proc chance cap didn’t exist, a single-target power with a 30 second recharge would not have a 100% chance to trigger a 2PPM proc unless that power also had a zero-second cast time. You can use the PPM value of a proc to get a rough idea of how often a proc will trigger in a single-target power (again, because cast time affects proc rate), but what about an AoE? That percentage is a fixed number for a given proc slotted in a given power with a given amount of slotted recharge. Here’s the rub: while the PPM value shown by the game for a given proc is true, it isn’t usually useful on its own and rarely provides enough information for a user to make an informed decision. Showing the actual chance a proc has to trigger would be far more user-friendly.

One nice thing about the CoF change is that enhancements affect magnitude and not duration, so if it's enhanced you can actually affect bosses with it now. It's not as strong as it was during some of the earlier beta builds but it's still pretty good. It does all do -str(knock) which makes your existing knockback protection go further in addition to doing -dmg, all in a larger radius than before. CoF was an obvious, no-brainer skip before these changes but skipping it now would be a mistake IMO. At the very least I'd recommend most people swap out Oppressive Gloom for Cloak of Fear.

I can't remember if I've already said this here or if it was somewhere else, but when they post patch notes they just post what the change is instead of what it actually does and that second bit is what's not immediately obvious for these changes. Hell, even I immediately realized it would affect proc rates but didn't put two and two together with it also reducing base damage until someone else pointed it out to me. There should probably be a "design note" in the Tanker section of the patch notes for this update.

Again, not a dev so I don't know the exact details, but the damage formula is not some dynamic thing where you plug in the power's base stats and it spits out a damage number. The damage formula is used to determine what a power's damage should be, but the actual final numbers are manually entered when creating or modifying a power, so it would not be possible for both the radius and the final damage number to change without it being an intentional act. Sure, a dev could have just bumped the radius and left the damage alone, but at that point you'd have almost every AoE power for an entire archetype ignoring the damage formula. Given the current dev team's insistence that everything follows the rules, I highly doubt this would have happened. EDIT: I read your linked comment and it's saying the exact same thing. There is zero chance this was not intentional. I can also refer back to dev statements made during the original round of Tanker changes where they explicitly acknowledged having the radius and arc buffs added by a separate power after the fact meant powers would both deal more damage and have a higher proc chance than they'd otherwise suggest. It was an intentional change then, and the changes on test are an intentional change now.

It is absolutely intentional. The patch notes only say what the change is and not necessarily what the actual effects of the change are, which is pretty normal for patch notes - it’s just that the Tanker changes are kind of abstract so it’s not immediately obvious from the patch notes what the change actually accomplishes.

Show me an instance of this occurring, and I'll show you an instance of either you using a power that doesn't always show hit rolls or you misunderstanding how streakbreaker works.

It would mean: You're able to figure out how much damage, on average, a given proc is adding to a given power, which helps you make an informed decision of whether a straight damage enhancement is better than a proc You're able to best determine where to slot a proc which can only be used once per build You're able to determine if it's even worth slotting a given proc in a given power or if you should just focus on another IO piece for a set bonus instead You're able to determine how recharge enhancements affect that proc rate You're able to do all the above things without needing to pull in external resources like players do now You have never been able to miss two consecutive hit rolls >90%, and streakbreaker's existence means the top end of actual hit rates is higher than 95%.

Except "this effect will trigger approximately x times per minute" is completely meaningless on its own. There is no way of knowing the actual chance for a proc to activate in a given power without the use of outside resources. You can guesstimate for some single-target powers but that requires you to have some underlying knowledge of how the system works, which again... outside resources.

I promise you the difference between a high-end Tanker and a high-end Blaster is far less than "3-5x longer." And here you're once again vastly overstating the gap between a Tanker and "a DPS." There is a gap, for sure, but a lot of that is simply due to Blasters essentially having two power sets full of attacks. Your concern has more to do with the game's underlying combat mechanics than anything else, specifically how easy it is for characters to reach defensive caps. Any sweeping change to address something like that would rightfully make a whole lot of people upset (see the I13 PvP changes for a great example of the fallout from a change like that). This game's population exists almost entirely because of nostalgia, and once the game is sufficiently different from the version people remember, they're not going to stick around.

I think at that point the biggest challenge the game would offer would be finding teams, since I would expect a ton of people to leave over something like that.

For a lot of people this is a feature, not something to be eliminated.